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Manipulations & influences

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posted on Aug, 5 2009 @ 11:20 PM
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May I ask whats the purpose of the program?
Or maybe why did the program come to existence is a better question?
What is the next program, if there is one?
Is this program infinite? Or does it finish somewhere?

Don't know if you are able to answer these, nor if they even make sense.
But I thought I'd give it a try.




posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 07:40 AM
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Originally posted by lagenese
reply to post by Uniceft17
 


To answer your questions, you need to understand that our life is a program, an astrological program. This program is under the governance of the astral plane. When the experience of the soul is sufficient, then awareness takes form, because another life plan is brought forward. This life plan stems from the higher mental sphere and enters in conflict with the astrological life plan. This brings suffering on the part of the ego, but it's normal. The awakening is not easy.
You will, when your time comes, experience what you need to experiment, in order to understand the manipulations and influences. This understanding will raise your level of consciousness, and ultimately, you will be free.

[edit on 5-8-2009 by lagenese]


Great thread! I resonate with everything you are saying and am thrilled you are able to put it so eloquently in your own words. I understand it all, but I get a bit tied in knots when I try to explain it verbally.

I am thankful I was able to awaken in time for the transition. You aren't kidding about the awakening not being easy, it literally turns your world inside out and upside down... then life begins again, on a whole new level. When you are able to break free of the illusion and use your higher self to guide you, you are taken in directions far different than the way you had been headed prior to waking up.

I understand that the more awakened you become to the light, the less the lower vibrations can affect you. After I read about this, I realized that perhaps I'd been trying to hard to ward off the negatives, and was in fact drawing them to myself by giving them so much attention. So, I have begun to use the advice of many, and do my best to give attention only to positive things.... this in turn relieves me of having to shield so much and allows my life stream to be used more affectively by the realms of the light for the upliftment.



posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 08:00 AM
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Originally posted by blujay

I understand that the more awakened you become to the light, the less the lower vibrations can affect you. After I read about this, I realized that perhaps I'd been trying to hard to ward off the negatives, and was in fact drawing them to myself by giving them so much attention. So, I have begun to use the advice of many, and do my best to give attention only to positive things.... this in turn relieves me of having to shield so much and allows my life stream to be used more affectively by the realms of the light for the upliftment.



I think you may be right and the best thing is to not even give them a thought, just concentrate on reaching your higher self. I too drew them in I think by actually trying to avoid them!



posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 08:09 AM
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Yes, it was one of those 'aha' moments! And it has been working rather well the last couple of days, I'd highly recommened giving them no attention at all. Raise your vibration so high that they can't even exist around you!



posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 08:11 AM
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The planetary program is a contract that ties the memories of the soul to incarnation. It allows refinement of the soul, according to the life plan which must be executed without condition. The program is also a very powerful tool for evolution. It imposes on the soul certain experiences for its development. The program is never imposed on the soul, the soul must approve of the program before incarnation. This program is like a map for the experience of the soul in the physical realm.
The understanding of the program during the incarnation is essential for humans to liberate themselves from any and all domination on their own consciousness.



[edit on 6-8-2009 by lagenese]



posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 02:17 PM
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What would you say to the phrase ALL IS ONE.

I used to think this was the case that all came from one source and is in the slow process of returning to one. However several astrals some how seemed to actually enter my mind and say this to me. I didnt like the feeling of them actually being within my mind, the oneness was not a pleasant feeling one bit, I felt suffocated and just wanted them to go. They very clearly said to me ALL IS ONE. Now if this was an astral manipulation, which Im sure it was because no way would my higher self make me feel so scared as they did, then maybe all is one is not correct?



posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 03:05 PM
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Once liberated, what is the next goal?
Why would I even want to be liberated? Seems like its easier and softer to just be manipulated, is this true?

Whats the purpose of refining the soul? Why do we need a refined soul?

Also, is it possible for entities of other dimensions/planes to materialize physically here and make (indirect/direct) contact?

The other day I had a really wild experience. I was hiking at night by myself and I thought I was lost a couple of times. Whenever I was lost I just stopped and look around and to the skies to try to relocate myself and "feel" which way I should go. Whenever I did this strange lights appeared kind of like telling me which way to go. I'm telling you, it was wild. And at first I thought they were nothing, didn't pay attention to them, had my doubts. But they seem like they were trying to call my attention, blinking, moving slowly towards where I should go, disappearing and appearing again closer to me.
There was a point where I actually fully believed that they were nothing or just tricks of my mind...as soon as I asserted that to myself something behind the bushes/mountains shouted my name like in a megaphone.

Many times I even thought they were "bad" lights, just trying to distract me and take me away from where I should go. But in the end all of them were "right" and I got exactly where I should have gotten just by following the lights.

There was one point even that I used a lighter to blink back at them. I blinked once and the other light blinked twice. I blinked twice and the other light blinked three times.

And so on...Again, it was a wild night. What are your thoughts on this?

[edit on 6-8-2009 by Geladinhu]



posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 04:23 PM
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Interesting question. The oneness as said by the entities communicating with you is not the same oneness that relates to creation and evolution. I've said it before, you cannot trust entities from the astral plane. Deception is their game, and they have thousands of years of experience in that field.

[edit on 6-8-2009 by lagenese]



posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 04:36 PM
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Originally posted by Geladinhu
Once liberated, what is the next goal?
Why would I even want to be liberated? Seems like its easier and softer to just be manipulated, is this true?

When your time will come, you'll know what to do and what changes will occur. It is indeed easier for the ego to be manipulated, but let me just say that choice is also an illusion...


Whats the purpose of refining the soul? Why do we need a refined soul?

The refinement of the soul is the number of experiences that are still needed to complete the experiment of the physical reality.


Also, is it possible for entities of other dimensions/planes to materialize physically here and make (indirect/direct) contact?

If your reffering to the astral plane entities, they cannot take form physically speaking. Not entirely anyhow. If you reffer to entities living in other dimensions (entities with high levels of consciousness), yes they have the power to materialize in the physical realm, but it's very rare that they have to do so.

As far as your last question is concerned, maybe you were guided by the spiritual guide (s) that accompany you in your physical journey here on the planet.

[edit on 6-8-2009 by Geladinhu]



posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 04:40 PM
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Strange..



posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 04:50 PM
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Very strange!

I wonder if I go to the same place again more less at the same time and wait if I'll see them again. I wonder if they would show up if I had anyone else with me.



I kind of doubt it. I think it was a very special occasion where I wasn't really expecting much. And I truly felt anxious a couple of times because I thought I was lost.
I doubt I could replicate the situation, specially if there is someone else there to make me feel more secure.

I'll try it out anyhow, and next time I'll take a camera!



posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 05:36 PM
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Originally posted by lagenese
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Interesting question. The oneness as said by the entities communicating with you is not the same oneness that relates to creation and evolution. I've said it before, you cannot trust entities from the astral plane. Deception is their game, and they have thousands of years of experience in that field.

[edit on 6-8-2009 by lagenese]


Thousands of years experience to me says Have nothing to do with any of them, its safer for me that way. Id rather learn very slowly now than have any thing to do with any entity actually.

You said earlier the aliens of the light can not contact us due to the polarization of the human ego, what about the aliens not of the light. Do these, can these contact people?



posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 05:43 PM
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It all depends on the level of consciousness. The higher the consciousness level on the aliens part, the less possibility of direct contact there is.



posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 05:51 PM
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Originally posted by lagenese
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It all depends on the level of consciousness. The higher the consciousness level on the aliens part, the less possibility of direct contact there is.


Seems to me then its not worth the hassell, its just recently many people seem to be trying to contact all sorts of things for guidance, aliens included. Yet never question what it is they are actually dealing with.



posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 07:49 PM
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Originally posted by Geladinhu
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Very strange!

I wonder if I go to the same place again more less at the same time and wait if I'll see them again. I wonder if they would show up if I had anyone else with me.



I kind of doubt it. I think it was a very special occasion where I wasn't really expecting much. And I truly felt anxious a couple of times because I thought I was lost.
I doubt I could replicate the situation, specially if there is someone else there to make me feel more secure.

I'll try it out anyhow, and next time I'll take a camera!


Yeah, a video camera, film the whole thing like some sort of Blair Witch Project scene, running through the woods, lost, light's appearing, sounds, strange things. Take an entheogenic friend with you, and record the whole thing, including your newfound philosophy of life, stuff like that, make it really trippy, and then have the Youtube video go viral on the net, maybe even add in a little surfing action for good measure. I think that would be cool, spread the word ya know..? Get people thinking, knock them off their lazy boy chairs, sit up and take notice - things are NOT entirely what they seem...

[sounds from The Twilight Zone kicking in now - doo doo doo doo doo doo do do, bling. da na na na naww]





[edit on 6-8-2009 by OmegaPoint]



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 01:34 PM
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Originally posted by lagenese
There is a big difference between spiritual enlightenment and solar fusion (perfect merger with the source).


Solar fusion with the source? Sounds amazing this I take it is not possible whilst here whereas spiritual enlightenment is...? What actually is solar fusion? Is it anything to do with igniting inner suns?



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 06:27 PM
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The solar fusion is the integration of 2 levels of life: One cosmic, the other planetary. It's the perfect alignment between the source(the light), the soul (with no karmic memories left) and the non-polarized ego. The ultimate result is pure consciousness, that enables creative thoughts and also creates a bridge between mankind and other systemic entities evolving in the different dimensions of the universe.

[edit on 7-8-2009 by lagenese]



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 06:36 PM
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Originally posted by lagenese
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The solar fusion is the integration of 2 levels of life: One cosmic, the other planetary. It's the perfect alignment between the source(the light), the soul (with no karmic memories left) and the non-polarized ego. The ultimate result is pure consciousness, that enables creative thoughts for creation.


You describe it so well. Is this alignment possible now? I have experienced many mergers but probably most certainly not this. To align a cosmic with a planetary level (light with no karmic balance) does not sound attainable at the present time.



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 06:45 PM
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I've just edited my answer to add more info. The process of fusion implies a initiation first. This initiation starts, as i said in previous posts, when the awakening starts (awareness, higher vibratory levels, higher consciousness). If it's your time, you will go thru it. All humans will eventually live that experience, not at the same time though.

[edit on 7-8-2009 by lagenese]



posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 07:01 PM
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Originally posted by lagenese
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The ultimate result is pure consciousness, that enables creative thoughts and also creates a bridge between mankind and other systemic entities evolving in the different dimensions of the universe.

[edit on 7-8-2009 by lagenese]


This seems awfully close to what I have felt as the astrals "manipulate me." I just dont know whats right and whats a manipulation really. Maybe I should just stop before I exchange thoughts with the wrong entities.




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