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posted on Aug, 5 2009 @ 01:23 PM
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I work for the Department of Health in Florida! I wonder how quickly I would get fired if I sent one of these letters from my work computer?


Hey, if I turn in all of you guys, maybe I can get promoted!!




posted on Aug, 5 2009 @ 01:25 PM
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You better watch out if you don't agree with Obama. He and the DNC are targeting you.



I never thought I'd see this in my country.


EDIT: Why is this thread in a conspiracy forum? Its no conspiracy, its quite real....

[edit on 5-8-2009 by Wimbly]



posted on Aug, 5 2009 @ 01:30 PM
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They just said that the mob voted them in, now they want to stop the mob.


wai... what?



posted on Aug, 5 2009 @ 01:32 PM
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WOW, Just WOW! The "Mob" is the Tea Party activists, and we are a pretty good cross-section of all political parties. Only the MSM and the DNC think we are Republicans! In reality we are maybe 50% Republican, 30-40% Democrat, and a whole lot of Independent and third parties!!

The "Mob" is a group of citizens fed up with ALL politicians, not just one party. The Tea Parties have shouted off Republican Politicians just as often as Democrat ones!!

DISINFORMATION as usual.

Sept 12 is the next large scale event, slated for D.C. Make yourself seen and heard, regardless of your party affiliation!!



posted on Aug, 5 2009 @ 01:33 PM
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Originally posted by Gorman91
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They just said that the mob voted them in, now they want to stop the mob.
wai... what?


Ya, they also said "voted overwhelmingly" but I remember a pretty close election! Oh well, its TV, they can say whatever they want, facts are irrelavent!



posted on Aug, 5 2009 @ 01:36 PM
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I know.



posted on Aug, 5 2009 @ 01:50 PM
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Looks like again I am going to be the lone voice of descent.

Okay...They are NOT asking for names or emails.

They are asking for a heads up on what disinformation is being spread with regards to the issue.

There are 2 camps opposing this bill.

(1) Industry with a profit motive to see the bill defeated (e.g. drug companies and insurance companies)

(2) GOP strategists who see stopping this reform as neccessary to their strategy of stopping the Presidents initiatives as a whole...regardless of any particular initiatives worth.

Folks here are acting as if False/Untrue Anonymous Propaganda email campaigns are unusual.

To the contrary...email smear campaigns are repeatedly and more and more often used specifically for the purpose of spreading lies without accountability.

www.nytimes.com...
The anonymous e-mail messages have circulated for months, saying that Mr. Obama is a Muslim and carried a copy of the Koran when he was sworn in at the United States Senate.

www.sciforums.com...
"This is another viral e-mail falsehood. The author now says it's not true; the Army says it's not true; and video and photos show Obama shaking hands with troops and eating breakfast with them as well."

He is a muslim, Was sworn in on the Koran, refuses to say the pledge of alliegance Etc. Etc. Etc.

The same folks that wish to see Obama fail are fighting his health care reform initiative.

I expect the White House to respond to BS. In todays world they have to...remember when Candidate Obama said he didn't want to respond at all to smears? Well he has learned you need to. Unfortunate, but true.

If any viral emails concerning Health Care are accurate then the white house will have a difficult time disputing them...If they are false then they have to respond.

* The difference between viral emails making claims and the white houses response?

One has a name, face and repuation that they are willing to put on the line and stand behind what they are saying.

The other is anonyomous, shadowed folks simply claiming things without having to stand behind their words....counting on never having to stand behind their lies.

The white house is asking for what specific false information is being spread...not who is doing it...it doesn't matter.

But please carry on with the "US is becoming a Nazi state" fantasy...hey wasn't that an email I got?



posted on Aug, 5 2009 @ 01:57 PM
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Ummm, I am no GOP strategist, and I don't stand to profit from the Healthcare bill? I don't even entirely oppose a National Healthcare Plan, I just oppose this 1000 page monstrosity of corruption and legal hula-hoops!

Why not just let private individuals access Medicare for a fee? Save all the legal wrangling.

Why not just let private citizens access the Congress's plan for a fee?

Why not subsidize and regulate the private insurer's and make them adapt their ways so nobody is excluded?

We need choices!!! That is the fundamental application of Capitalism, and that is what is missing from this bill! The Congressmen are not even reading the dam thing, they are just standing on their pulpit and calling everyone a GOP strategist!

I voted for Obama, and for Change, and I was excited about a National Healthcare plan. I can't afford to be self-employed, because I can't afford Health Insurance for my wife and baby. They have "pre-existing conditions" that exclude them! This bill also provides a loophole for exclusion, but the press claims it doesn't! See my other thread for the lines allowing for exclusion. www.abovetopsecret.com...

This is not change!! This is not what I voted for!!



posted on Aug, 5 2009 @ 02:11 PM
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This is one of the spookiest things I have seen since I have been a member of this site. It is one thing to think that it will happen, but another to actually see it happen and come to fruition.

I smell coffee. I just hope the rest of the country will, too.



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posted on Aug, 5 2009 @ 02:48 PM
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I have a question to everyone who has never lived poorly, as in only able to afford grains. I'm talking about being poor as #, sometimes go on days without food.


The usual recipe for domination is to keep the general population too poor to worry about politics, so poorly educated they have no hope of bettering themselves and then giving them a belief system or religion that promises something better but always in the future.

Freedom is only thought of if you are so oppressed death is better than continuing as you are like the conditions in France that lead to the French Revolution. Or if you have a full belly. An intelligent dictator knows this and carefully balances his oppression so as not to trigger a revolution that will get him killed.



posted on Aug, 5 2009 @ 03:04 PM
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lol. Sounds like the fallout universe, where the US gov became so corrupt that it basically was desperately searching for resources to fill its citizens with happiness as it did its business, ultimately being forced to destroy the world, rather than sacrifice power.



posted on Aug, 5 2009 @ 03:12 PM
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It applies to ANY government that becomes too top heavy.

It is time to spend four years repealing idiotic laws and then for every law passed a law must be repealed. Single subject bills only and all bills must be read a loud in Congress. If you are not present for the entire reading you can not vote.

Unfortunately we have lawyers busy keeping their buddies employed. the USA has 59% of the worlds lawyers and more people in jail per capita than any other country. Ugh



posted on Aug, 5 2009 @ 03:21 PM
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I'm against any govt' intervention in our lives outside of the limits in the constitution.

So put me on that 'list' if you will....but,


Snitches get Stitches.....Comprende'??????



posted on Aug, 5 2009 @ 03:24 PM
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Originally posted by HunkaHunka
Thanks for the email!



I'll be sure to relay any disinformation I find.





posted on Aug, 5 2009 @ 03:59 PM
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Case in point...anyone can claim anything in anonymous viral emails and they are purposely lie in order to instill fear into the public.

Aren't we supposed to be combating disinformation?

Please question our politicians...question healthcare reform...but when we premise those questions on lies we are encouraging factions of our political parties to continue to lie to us. We are telling them it works, keep it up.

www.politifact.com...



E-mail 'analysis' of health bill needs a check-up

To check this e-mail, we read the health care bill ourselves. Yes, it's over 1,000 pages long, but that's not as long as you might think: The document has large margins, so the text only takes up about one third of each page.

We also read the bill's legislative summary, a report published by the House that explains the bill in greater detail.

Finally, we consulted with Jennifer Tolbert, an independent health care analyst at the Kaiser Family Foundation, a nonpartisan foundation that studies health care reform.

Tolbert has read and analyzed all the major health proposals, including those of the Republicans, and the foundation provides point-by-point analyses of the plans on its Web site.

We're hardened, battle-scarred fact-checkers, so false claims in e-mails don't really surprise us anymore. But we sent Tolbert a copy of the latest from our in-box, and she was none too pleased

"It's awful," she said. "It's flat-out, blatant lies. It's unbelievable to me how they can claim to reference the legislation and then make claims that are blatantly false."




posted on Aug, 5 2009 @ 04:20 PM
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Good find.

But I want to see the bill myself. How can I trust even them?



posted on Aug, 5 2009 @ 04:31 PM
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docs.house.gov...

Link to actual Bill.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Link to another thread with some concerns from the first 400 or so pages of the bill! Many of them have already been reposted here.

Thank you to everyone who has taken the time to read the actual bill and verify or dispute facts within it!




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