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posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 10:07 PM
Now is a time, more than ever, to be vocal about your concerns. People should email them.

And when you do, there are a few little options that you can check at the bottom.

One is do you choose to make your concerns public... You don't actually have to check that one because apparently if you have a complaint it is already set up so that they can make an example of you. Leave that one alone. You WANT your message to be heard by more than the people who are paid to disregard it.
The other is that you can require an emailed response. Check that one. And then we can share them, compare them and then compile a list of complaints out of what is sure to be a mishmash of incoherrent responses and email them back to them as another complaint.

The goal is to make Obama feel like he can no longer be looked at as the "Guy Who Will Fix Everything... Even a Dispute Between a Police Officer Following Protocol and a Racist Professor Screaming Because He Knows the President."

posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 10:08 PM
reply to post by Gorman91

Great post. Please make sure you continue posting here on ATS every couple of days so we can be assured you have not been picked up by Janet Reno and place in the new gulag.

If we do not here from you we will expect a report about the "courtroom-within-a-prison complex in the U.S. housing suspected terrorists, and the combined military and civilian maximum-security prison. Once you manage to escape.

posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 10:18 PM
I have some issues with this. If the politicians will not sign up to read every bill then obviously there are parts of this healthcare bill unread. So who is to determine what is truth and what are lies? Is this up to those in the White House? Why would anyone send in (scary) websites and such about issues with the bill. So the White House can remove that website and get that question deleted from society? Sounds like it doesn't it. I just don't understand why politicians are not required to read these bills. How can they find out what is bad in them. And not they want to SILENCE those who actually find out the truth.

posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 10:20 PM
what follows is an email i sent from my army email to the white house.

Pg 22 of the HC Bill mandates the Government will audit books of all employers that self insure.

Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill a Government committee (good luck with that!) will decide what treatments/benefits a person may receive.

Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill YOUR HEALTHCARE WILL BE RATIONED!

Pg 42 of HC Bill The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC Benefits for you.

PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise.

Pg 58 HC Bill Government will have real-time access to individual's finances and a National ID Healthcard will be issued!

Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Government will have direct access to your bank accts for funds transfer.

PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community organizations (read: ACORN).

Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Government will create an HC Exchange to bring private HC plans under Government control.

PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill Government mandates linguistic appropriate services. Example Translation for illegal aliens.

Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Government will use groups, i.e. ACORN & Americorps, to sign up individuals for Government HC plan.

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill Specifics of Benefit Levels for Plans. AARP members your Health care WILL be rationed.

PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill Medicaid Eligible Individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice.

pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue Government on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Government Monopoly.

pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill Doctors/ AMA The Government will tell YOU what you can earn.

Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public option plan. NO CHOICE.

Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND their families.

Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay.)

Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of HC Admin (the GOVERNMENT) will have access to ALL Americans' finances and personal records.

PG 203 Line 14-15 HC "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says that.

Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Government will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected.

Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill Doctors doesn't matter what specialty will all be paid the same.

PG 253 Line 10-18 Government sets value of Doctor's time, professional judgment, etc. Literally, value of humans.

PG 265 Sec 1131 Government mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries.

Pg 317 L 13-20 OMG!! PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Government tells Doctors what/how much they can own.

Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion Government will mandate hospitals cannot expand.

Pg 354 Sec 1177 Government will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people!

PG 425 Lines 4-12 Government mandates Advance Care Planning Consultations. Think Senior Citizens end of life prodding.

PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Government provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in how to die.

PG 427 Lines 15-24 Government mandates program for orders for end of life. The Government has a say in how your life ends.

PG 429 Lines 10-12 "advanced care consultation" may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from the Government to end a life!

Page 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORGANIZATION. 1 monthly payment to a community-based organization.

Can you please debunk this for me, I would like to hear your response on these issues, also I would like to add that this bill is a bad idea from the get go. I voted for change this last election and it would seam im getting it.
I can't help but wonder thoe when will we start calling each other comrade instead of brother and when will you draw the line on spying on Americans and there opinions?
Did Hitler not have...OH yes the SS and the Gestapo and oh lest we not forget the Hitler youth program in which he asked the kids to spy on Nabors and there parants,inparticular they should listen and report anyone that said any thing contrary to the policies that Hitler had put in place for "the betterment of the fatherland" I see no distinction between that policy and this in my opinion the white house needs to keep it's nose out of the common mans thoughts and opinions no matter how "wrong" they may be.And I may add I included my name and rank I am not scared for having an opinion and wanting accountability


Edit to add Thank you so much Maxmars for posting a brief synopsis of the health care package.

[edit on 4-8-2009 by SPC_D]

posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 10:21 PM
I think they've killed it already. I tried to bring it up just now and got an error message saying that windows could not find the address. Just when I thought they couldn't possibly have any more nerve, they come up with this scheme.

Great thread. Some of the posts on here gave me a good laugh.

posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 10:25 PM
reply to post by SPC_D

Good on ya'...

Sounds a lot like myself a few years back. I was actually concerned that I was going to be questioned about my thoughts in these matters. Never happened though.
I was quite vocal about them, also.

Of course my concerns weren't necessarily about the blatant Marxism being displayed by the current President... but instead they were about why my Brothers in Arms were being killed in Iraq when we were there because of a series of blatant lies... STARTING with the WTC on 9-11!!!

In any event, keep your chin up. The louder you speak truth to power, the less the guilty want to have anything to do with it!

Push them!

posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 10:30 PM
You mean 'these' guys?

Just watch out for the Deatheaters!!!

posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 10:32 PM
With all the special interests fighting healthcare reform, reporting on clearly false information is important. Some of the rumors are pretty outlandish like how healthcare reform is a conspiracy to kill old people. People actually believe some of that crazy stuff, healthcare reform is already tough enough to get through without people being tricked to be against reform.

posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 10:33 PM

off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


[edit on 4-8-2009 by rjmelter]

posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 10:34 PM

Originally posted by SPC_D
what follows is an email i sent from my army email to the white house.

Edit to add Thank you so much Maxmars for posting a brief synopsis of the health care package.

I have saved this to my notebook, thankyou both for the synopsis

posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 10:34 PM
reply to post by ghaleon12

Have you read the hospice part of the bill it seams like they do want to kill off old people.

posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 10:39 PM
reply to post by antar

Oh no I had no hand in my email other than the message the synopsis was all Maxmars not mine you should thank him

posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 10:53 PM
I have a question to everyone who has never lived poorly, as in only able to afford grains. I'm talking about being poor as #, sometimes go on days without food.

Do you prefer freedom or do you prefer existence?

[edit on 8/4/2009 by die_another_day]

posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 10:57 PM
More populism run amok, commonly known as fascism. This leaves a really bad taste in my mouth.

I thought the polarity the Bushco's created was bad but the Obamanauts have that beat by a mile.

Well, at least we have a prez that smiles instead of snickers. It' almost enough to make me long for the days of W's malapropisms.

I'd love to know the statistics on these "turn in your neighbor" programs and what kind of money they've spent on dubious results.

posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 10:57 PM

Originally posted by Gorman91
I would just like to say that I reported myself.

I'm one who likes being listed as a dissenter to policy. I have no problem with being listed as such.

Here's a transcript of my email to them:

Yes, I would like to report myself as not liking the current health care bill to be voted on. I am reporting myself as my right to free speech in being against the bill. I would also like a written answer as to why the White House is claiming it will not remove private health care and personal choice when it says so in the very bill?

Also, sorry kids, but I do not enjoy my government asking its people to be spies. On what authority do you think that the government has a right to collect the email addresses and sources of people not agreeing to the policies of the federal government? I hope you realize this is a very big violation of the right to privacy of the American citizen.

I'd just like to know why. I have a right to information under the Fredom of Information Act. And I want to know. Why does my government wish to collect the private emails of it's dissenters?

I also wish to have a response onto the exact locations within the bill that support the opinions of Linda Douglas. Where in the bill is it enforcing what she states?

-Your loyal Citizen

[edit on 4-8-2009 by Gorman91]

hahahaha that is so awesome.

I think I might write one myself.

posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 10:58 PM

Originally posted by die_another_day
I have a question to everyone who has never lived poorly, as in only able to afford grains. I'm talking about being poor as #, sometimes go on days without food.

freedom duh!

freedom to dumpster dive a bagel shop which I have done and I can tell you Great food can be had if your willing to dig for it! spare me your story freedom is paramount to me at least I can be pore and still survive. and so can you! you should read this book called off the map Ill go find it for you it opend my eyes.

here is that link for that book off the map

[edit on 4-8-2009 by SPC_D to add a star for JayinAR]

[edit on 4-8-2009 by SPC_D]

posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 11:05 PM
reply to post by die_another_day

It appears I have cast my lot long ago. I choose freedom over all else...

No matter what!

And I also know what it takes to exist.

I wonder why you would even impose such a question - as if there is any real choice.

posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 11:20 PM
My letter:

Hello, I’d like to report myself for spreading “disinformation” such as the following:

The powers of the federal government are clearly defined in Article 1 Section 8 of the US constitution. No where in that section does it say the federal government has the power to forcibly nationalize private industry at gun point and deprive the people of their private property and free choice. The “general welfare” clause is only to be applied within the framework of the clearly enumerated powers.

The US government is now over 100% of its debt to GDP ratio. US government spending comprises 45% of the GDP. The marginal tax rate for the average American is around 40%. Any attempt to implement a socialist healthcare system under such an enormous debt burden is economic suicide.

The bills put forth today PROHIBIT private insurers from taking on new clients. Such prohibitions violate constitutional rights.

To implement such a system that forces working class Americans on to government controlled socialist healthcare policies while the congress and the president retain their extensive private care packages is the very definition of tyranny. You are not our masters, you are our servants.

Socialized healthcare MUST end in government rationing of care. When a commodity is made free, it becomes scarce. Such scarcity in the face of price controls inevitably leads to rationing. This has proven true in every other country on the face of this earth that has attempted such programs. This rationing of care is unconstitutional, violates human rights, and places the government in a position to be dictating who lives and who dies. Inevitably this means the old and infirm who have nothing left to contribute to society will be left to die, while care is directed at working aged people capable of still producing tax revenue for the gaping maw of government.


Michael S.

[edit on 4-8-2009 by mnemeth1]

posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 11:26 PM
reply to post by mnemeth1

Star for you friend I wonder what there response to any of will be? I wonder if we will have police knocking on our doors tomorrow lol

posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 11:32 PM

Originally posted by soldiermom
I think they've killed it already. I tried to bring it up just now and got an error message saying that windows could not find the address. Just when I thought they couldn't possibly have any more nerve, they come up with this scheme.

Great thread. Some of the posts on here gave me a good laugh.

You can find a youtube video of some scary looking lady with the drudge report website in the background. Go after that. Here, I can help you

This vid had 386 views this morning.

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