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Mind Control: The True Tale of Manipulation

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posted on Aug, 7 2009 @ 01:46 PM
reply to post by erniemink1

You don't work for the CIA do ya? You want people to message you privately so you can then gather their information before going round and take them out?

posted on Aug, 8 2009 @ 09:32 AM
Just tossing my thread a bump. Yea, sue me if you Heres more info:

Google Video Link

The Mind Control of A Cult:

By definition, therefore, cultic mind control is a process of either unconscious or intentional change of an individual's behavior, thought, and emotional patterns through subtle, deceptive, and damaging means by unethical spiritual leaders who hold positions of trust and authority over them. It involves a process whereby an individual's means of independent thought is effectively controlled and even overcome by degrees, and an entirely different mode of thinking is adopted by them which is supplied by these leaders. It is this kind of power that leads men and women in cultic groups to accept as normal various kinds of abuse, outrages and privation that those outside the groups would recognize immediately for what it is.
Mind Control The Cult

posted on Aug, 8 2009 @ 11:44 AM
This is a fascinating and very well-composed thread TML. I can see, from a physics standpoint, that frequency modulation directed toward a transceiver near the source (brain) might be able to produce a localized effect.

I'm not convinced that the effect could be accurately manifested, however I haven't read all of your links nor watched the associated vids. I'll do that, and report back.

You've done your usual thorough and in-depth expose', and also as usual, I'm impressed with your tenacity and research. I'll be back after I sort through all this.

excellent work, so far.


posted on Aug, 8 2009 @ 01:04 PM
reply to post by argentus

As always Argentus I appreciate the kind words and hopefully, if you have anymore questions I will be able to answer them
I look forward to your thoughts

Thank you for your support and kind words mate.

posted on Aug, 8 2009 @ 01:59 PM
reply to post by TheMythLives

I think that video on CIA experimentation with '___' was trying to hypnotise us LOL

You see all the moving pctures and objects during it?

posted on Aug, 8 2009 @ 02:08 PM
reply to post by TruthxIsxInxThexMist

Yea, but I didn't think anything of Until you said it, now I think you maybe right.
Good catch mate.

posted on Aug, 8 2009 @ 03:30 PM
What a marvellous post. I've always believed in mind control to the extent of propaganda and subtle, systematic conditioning. HAARP I always assumes was just a weather control program. Everything you posted was very informative.

The reason I read past the first part of the post was because I remember hearing a story about someone hearing a radio station through their teeth. I'm sure my Grandad told me.
For anyone who doesn't believe in this can probably google Lucille Ball. There was something on the Biography Channel about her last week and apparently her teeth done the same. I was only channel-hopping during the ads....

Isn't it amazing how one silly little piece of celebrity trivia can stick in your head only for it to open your mind to this?

Oh and I'm very sure that mercury isn't allowed in fillings anymore due to it being pretty poisonous...I could be wrong

posted on Aug, 8 2009 @ 03:39 PM
reply to post by itchy_tartan_blanket

Thank you for the kind words.

Interesting, here is the Origin and the apparent status. So far no one knows if its true or not:

Lucille Ball: Teeth, Radio and Spies

And you led me to definative proof that fillings can be used for mind control and pick up signals with electromagnetic Modulations

It's one of life's little irritations---I answer my telephone, and the person on the other end sounds a lot like Elvis. Then I realize that a local a.m. radio station is broadcasting an Elvis song, which is somehow being picked up by my phone and competing with the caller for my ear. How does my phone turn into a radio receiver? I spent four years in the Air Force working on radios, and I remember the receivers as rather large, complicated boxes, crammed with tiny electrical components and a web of wires. My phone doesn't seem that complicated.

According to Robert Hunsucker, a professor emeritus at the Geophysical Institute with the University of Alaska Fairbanks, my phone isn't that complicated, and neither is a receiver circuit. A receiver is so simple, Hunsucker said, that anything from a phone to a person's mouth can act as one. At its most basic, a receiver circuit consists of only three elements: an antenna, which picks up an electromagnetic radio signal; a detector, which is an electrical component that converts the radio wave to an audio signal the human ear can pick up; and a transducer, which is anything that acts like a speaker.

When I asked him about my phone, Hunsucker correctly deduced that I live close to the transmitter antenna of a local a.m. radio station. Because I live less than a mile away from the station, Hunsucker said I'm in the near-field of the transmitter, an area where the strength of the signal emitted by the radio station is strongest. The near-field is the area within a few wavelengths of a transmitter antenna---usually within a mile or so depending on the characteristics of the transmitter.

Within the near-field, the radio-frequency signal emitted by the transmitter is so strong that things not designed to be antennas---like telephone wires---can act like them. Hunsucker said radio-frequency waves from the a.m. station probably are traveling over the phone line, into my house, and into my phone.

As the signal instantly reaches the phone, a detector pulls the audio signal off the radio wave. The component acting as a detector in my phone is probably a diode, Hunsucker said. A diode is a semiconductor device, which offers greater resistance to the flow of electrical current in one direction than in the opposite direction. This trait allows a diode (or, in the presence of a very strong radio signal, an overdriven component that acts as a diode) to convert the incoming radio frequency signal into a direct-current voltage.

The direct-current voltage produced by the diode has peaks and valleys that correspond to Elvis's voice and the sound of his backup band. This voltage is felt and expressed by a transducer, which, in the case of my phone, is the little speaker that functions as the ear piece, and I hear the King. Hunsucker said the problem can sometimes be cured with a radio-frequency filter that can be attached to the phone line. He also said that if the radio signal is very strong, a filter might not be enough.

Such is the extremely rare case when a person's mouth acts as a receiver. The electrical conductivity of the human body can act as an antenna. A metallic filling in a tooth, reacting just so with saliva, can act as a semiconductor to detect the audio signal. The speaker in this case could be anything that vibrates within the mouth enough to produce noise, such as bridgework or maybe a loose filling.

In those cases of extremely strong radio-frequency waves, Hunsucker said the receiver effect can be eliminated by surrounding the bogus receiver with a grounded, copper-screened cage. Or you may choose to sit back and enjoy the music.
radio Signals and teeth

[edit on Aug 8th 2009 by TheMythLives]

posted on Aug, 8 2009 @ 03:53 PM

Originally posted by Toughiv
reply to post by TheMythLives

Ok, fair point, the wave might be able to pass through the soft parts of the body.

How strong the signal is after passing through is yet to be discussed, but then back to my point of how that wave would even be able to transmit such a signal that it affects my nervous system to produce signals to my brain which in turn manipulate me is somewhat far fetched.

If not, please show me how this might happen.

You are asking a non-scientist to conjecture about something that he/she is not qualified to speak to. The individual did not say that he/she believes this possible. The individual said that the government as far back as the fifties believed it was possible, so possible that they sunk millions of tax dollars into the concept.

So write your congressman and ask them why it is that the government believes in something so, as you put it, "far fetched" and wasted our tax money on it. While you're writing please ask them why they wanted to do such a hideous thing to begin with!

The OP doesn't have to prove that this is possible. All he/she did was prove that there is enough evidence supporting it that we would be smart to make our own inquiries. I don't find it particularly far-fetched. History tells us that all government go bad at some point--our own Founding Fathers even forewarned us. The problem with science and research is, to quote from Michael Crichten: they spend more time figuring out if they can do something, and too little time deciding if they should.

posted on Aug, 8 2009 @ 08:04 PM
Found this:

How to be a better thinker:

1. Tap your emotions. Our conscious thoughts are only a fraction of what’s going on in our brains. At any given moment, the unconscious is taking in vast amounts of information that we’re not even aware of and processing it all very quickly. Based on its conclusions, the brain generates emotions. So don’t disregard that subtle feeling telling you to avoid the salmon special. Your personal supercomputer is trying to tell you something.

2. Don’t think under pressure. It was one of the worst moments of my life: I was 12, playing peewee basketball, and my team was trailing by a point. If I sank two free throws, we would win. I missed. Twice. Instead of relying on the part of my unconscious that’s like a trained autopilot (it had learned how to shoot baskets through years of backyard practice), I analyzed the details of my shots, using brain areas that had no idea how to get a ball through a hoop. Once we’ve taken the time to develop any skill (and it always takes time), we should trust our instincts.
Empowering Your Mind

Could help in preventing mind control

posted on Aug, 8 2009 @ 10:36 PM
If they should develop some means of implants in the ordinary citizen, I have doubts that we would be able to circumvent it, at least at this point. I've read accounts of government implants in "super soldiers" and it's quite harrowing. Apparently after - one - had grown older the implant still remained and they were able to activate it many years after his active affiliation with the military. They could activate by a phone call. There would be a series of words and numbers, he believed, which would put him under their control.

He claims to have assasinated many people for the government. I think I saw this on Project Camelot if anybody's interested. "Super Soldier" or something to that effect. Interesting. A little on the tinfoil hat side, but nonetheless interesting.

posted on Aug, 9 2009 @ 12:59 AM
TML, I've enjoyed your "Case Reviewed" series greatly & kudos for getting all this info in 1 place. As a person who has worked in signal processing & occasionally radio propagation for 18yrs tho, I've got to say there's some very bad &/or misunderstood science here. Now before anyone takes offence, I'm not sceptical of mind control per se & I'll get to what I think is possible & know happens eventually, but I think that if we are going to understand this topic, we cant go crying wolf.
Also it's been a decade since I've tried to explain more than fine points, so I dunno how good I'll be generally & I may ramble on... but I'll try & to be succinct.
1. Magnetic Molecules
Whether something is magnetic or not isn't what determines if it will be affected by radio waves (RF), it need only be an electrical conductor, connected to something that any charge induced in it by RF will flow into (usually ground or earth). It then becomes an antenna.
Our bodies are mostly water, with dissolved electrolites, so are we walking antennae? Not really, no. Actually, we are complex electrical systems with a polarity: usually head, right chest & arm is 1 pole, the rest of the body the other. A better analogy is that we are like co-axial cable (like audio leads or the wire from a tv arial or sat dish). Our nerves & brain are like the core wire that carries the important signal & our flesh is like the screen wrapped around it to prevent external interference. We can be confident of this because otherwise, whenever there was a massive solar flare, we would all be overcome by involuntary twitching as random electrical signals were induced in our nerves.
There's more to it tho, because the electrical charge involved from RF is so small that our bodies can absorb lots of it, acting effectively as ground. You can test this by tuning a portable analogue radio (not car radio) to a station you can barely recieve & then walk away: often the reception drops off. This is because the body acts like a "ground plate".
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posted on Aug, 9 2009 @ 02:01 AM
I cant think of an easy metaphor for how a ground plate works, so if there's any ATSers into CB radio, help! Basically it makes antennae work better...

Still, we're not perfectly protected & it has been shown that MW, LW & ELF do penetrate the skull & other frequencies too @ very high signal strength (more on this below).
2. Metal Fillings
a) as antennae

There's no doubt that metal fillings conduct electricity. Anyone who has any, who's ever bitten down on foil, stuck to chocolate say, can vouch for that, as the different metals in an acid solution of saliva form a primitive battery & electric pain shoots up the nerve. Still, that is direct current from a chemical source: RF induction is a different thing altogether.
There are plenty of different types of antenna, each optimised to receive a particular signal, but basically they are all just an unshielded conductor for RF to induce an alternating current into. You can test this by sticking a wire coathanger into the centre of a co-axial RF socket on a portable tv: you can usually get some picture. You may know that a signal doesn't just flow 'down' a wire tho, it also gets reflected back 'up', interfering with itself. This is why electronic components must be rated for resistance & capacitance to optimise the flow of signal in the desired direction, minimise reflection & take account of what's left.
Dental amalgham is not 'a' piece of metal tho, it is thousands of tiny grains of different metals held in a suspension of mercury. The action of chewing compresses them so that even when the mercury has leeched away, the crystaline structure holds them locked together. But not welded together. Thus each grain or tiny clump is a seperate antenna & their crystal alignments & distribution is completely random. Imo, any charge induced into such a structure would be cancelled out as electrons were donated back & forth between clumps.
We can test this too. Write a txt message, stick your phone in your mouth & send: No Shock.
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posted on Aug, 9 2009 @ 02:59 AM
Reading back, I meant to also add that, without an impedance optimised pathway in randomly composed dental amalgham, any residual signal that could possibly be induced would also be horribly distorted, but whatever, it's a long way from micro-currents giving you toothache to that being translated into an audible signal in the brain.
Metal Fillings
b) as semi-conductor

Ok, as a wild hypothesis, I'll agree that it's possible that amongst the hundreds of millions of metal fillings installed, a few may have turned out not so random in composition, so it is just possible that electron pathways could be formed within & even wilder, such could conceivably form a semi-conductor. The problem is how to get from there to physical movement, ie vibration?
Some solid-state components do vibrate, but not in synch with the amplitude of the signal passing through them. The quoted prof above claimes "bridgework". Well I have 2 porceline teeth in a bridge attached to 2 others. There are no copper coils with an iron core involved. So what, some kind of reverse piezzo electric effect with micro-crystaline quartz in the porceline? I'm clutching @straws here: just like him. It all falls down when you consider the power levels necessary. If you had enough coherent electrical activity going on in 1 part of your mouth to power actual movement, you'd have a lot worse problems than messages or Elvis in your ear. Try uncontrollable drooling & facial twitching leading to paralisys!
Imo, Lucille Ball was lying. There was no corroboration of her story & since WW2 was over, there'd have been no reason to hide it if she really had eavesdropped on Japanese spies. In fact, there'd have reason to go along with her, true or not, to hide the still classified extent to which the USA had cracked Japanese cyphers. Plus her career was on the downturn: it was a celeb anecdote that got her noticed. As for the rest? I dunno, schizophrenia? Maybe some other mechanism of hearing radio, because this wouldn't work.
Bed now, back later.

posted on Aug, 9 2009 @ 06:59 AM
reply to post by TheMythLives

I hate to do this to you after such painstaking research and documentation. 2 thumbs up by the way

The documentation that you submitted (2 papers) at the first of your OP. Could you rewrite word for word beneath the documents? Some of the lettering is smudged and difficult to read. I'm not sure if that would unvalidate the documents or not.

Great subject:

Personally I see alot of patterns in everday life with a little bit of experiential telekinesis "way beyond coincidental ( people drop things in close proximity of me) and numerology. 11:11, 322, 223 444 etc

posted on Aug, 9 2009 @ 10:18 AM
reply to post by superluminal11

Boy, what a task, I personally do not think I can unless I can find thr files around the house. However, you can always request these documents from the Freedom of Information Act
They are real and for you to view, but I will try and rewrite the Doc's word for word, however, the main points and some content is written word by word in the OP's.

posted on Aug, 9 2009 @ 10:20 AM
reply to post by ladyinwaiting

I will look into this
Definately sounds interesting and could lead to more evidence. Nice Catch.

posted on Aug, 9 2009 @ 02:42 PM
ELF frequency vs modulation
The term "modulation" is used to describe adding 1 signal, the modulator which encodes information, to another, the carrier wave which propagates it. Think of a guitarist plucking a note: the note is the carrier; they then wobble the tremolo arm & that is the modulation; we hear the information as changing pitch in the note. Lets say s/he wobbles it 5 times per second (5 Hertz or Hz) this is within the same frequency range as ELF radio, but it has not converted the note into ELF or sub-bass, because if it had, we couldn't hear it below 20Hz.
We can apply the same principal oppositely to RF: low frequencies do penetrate the skull, but high do not, so any ELF modulated information contained within a SW, VHF or UHF broadcast cannot affect us, unless we are very close to the transmitter where the signal strength is greatest. Its like the difference between a strawberry & a pencil eraser that smells of strawberry: they both carry similar information but 1 can be assimilated by the body & the other cant.
This is very relevant to HAARP since its 1.1 GHz output is UHF. Nobody need worry about any such signal affecting folks all over North America either, because UHF signals cannot even get past the transmitters horizon, as they dont bounce off the ionosphere like low frequencies do.
We can be confident of this because tv is also UHF & requires repeater stations set in high places to pick up & rebroadcast the signal, especially if there are mountains etc. in the way. Plenty of small valley communities have never been able to get tv reception until cable because its not cost effective to build a repeater just for them.
But also bear in mind that UHF broadcast tv signals cant penetrate your skull either, unless you live next to the transmitter. Frankly tho, if I were living so close to a UHF (or microwave) source that its signal could affect me, I'd be a lot more concerned about the electro-magnetic energy, ie radiation, than about mind control.
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posted on Aug, 9 2009 @ 02:57 PM
Here's something fun, how to brainwash:

HYPNOSIS - Inducing a high state of suggestibility, often thinly disguised as relaxation or meditation.

a. Repetitive Music (most likely with a beat close to the human heart 45 to 72 beats per minute). Most likely used during "study sessions" as the teacher will say the music helps you relax and concentrate better!
b. Voice Roll -- A "voice roll" is a patterned, paced style used by hypnotists when inducing a trance. It is also used by many lawyers, several of whom are highly trained hypnotists, when they desire to entrench a point firmly in the minds of the jurors. A voice roll can sound as if the speaker were talking to the beat of a metronome or it may sound as though he were emphasizing every word in a monotonous, patterned style. The words will usually be delivered at the rate of 45 to 60 beats per minute, maximizing the hypnotic effect.

c. Room "Feel" - The way a room feels is essential to hypnotizing unknowing subjects. It needs special lighting, florescent lights are best because they aren't too dim, but aren't too harsh. Also, Room Temp helps a bit, usually a little cooler than normal room temperature. You need to have the unknowing subjects very relaxed, perhaps even close to falling asleep.

2) PEER GROUP PRESSURE - Suppressing doubt and resistance to new ideas by exploiting the need to belong.

3) "LOVE BOMBING" - Creating a sense of family through physical touch, thought & feeling sharing and emotional bonding.

4) REJECTION OF OLD VALUES - Accelerating acceptance of new lifestyle by constantly denouncing former beliefs and values.

5) CONFUSING DOCTRINE - Encouraging blind acceptance and rejection of logic through complex lectures on an incomprehensible doctrine.

6) METACOMMUNICATION - Implanting subliminal messages by stressing certain key words or phrases in long, confusing lectures.

7) REMOVAL OF PRIVACY - Achieving loss of ability to evaluate logically by preventing private contemplation.

8) DISINHIBITION - Encouraging child-like obedience by orchestrating child-like behaviour

9) UNCOMPROMISING RULES - Inducing regression and disorientation by soliciting agreement to seemingly simple rules which regulate mealtimes, bathroom breaks and use of medications.

10) VERBAL ABUSE - Desensitizing through bombardment with foul and abusive language. (Physical abuse, such as torture, is the more extreme form of this.)

11) SLEEP DEPRIVATION AND FATIGUE - Creating disorientation and vulnerability by prolonging mental an physical activity and withholding adequate rest and sleep.

12) DRESS CODES - Removing individuality by demanding conformity to the group dress code.

13) CHANTING OR SINGING - Eliminating non-cult ideas through group repetition of mind-narrowing chants or phrases.

14) CONFESSION - Encouraging the destruction of individual ego through confession of personal weaknesses and innermost feelings of doubt.

15) FINANCIAL COMMITMENT - Achieving increased dependence on the group by 'burning bridges' to the past, through the donation of assets.

16) FINGER POINTING - Creating a false sense of righteousness by pointing to the shortcomings of the outside world.

17) ISOLATION - Inducing loss of reality by physical separation from family, friends, society and rational references.

18) CONTROLLED APPROVAL - Maintaining vulnerability and confusion by alternately rewarding and punishing similar actions.

19) CHANGE OF DIET - Creating disorientation and increased susceptibility to emotional arousal by depriving the nervous system of necessary nutrients through the use of special diets and/or fasting. Also applying drugs for these purposes fall in this category.

20) GAMES - Inducing dependence on the group by introducing games with obscure rules.

21) NO QUESTIONS - Accomplishing automatic acceptance of beliefs by discouraging questions.

22) GUILT - Reinforcing the need for 'salvation' by exaggerating the sins of the former lifestyles.

23) FEAR - Maintaining loyalty and obedience to the group by threatening soul, life or limb for the slightest 'negative' thought, word or deed.
Brainwashing and Mind Control

I really thought it was interesting to get a basic take on basic mind ocntrol ways
I hope the rest of you enjoy it as well.

[edit on Aug 9th 2009 by TheMythLives]

posted on Aug, 9 2009 @ 03:00 PM
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