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UK upholds complaints on Press TV anti-Israel bias

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posted on Aug, 5 2009 @ 12:02 PM
reply to post by A Conscience

Well, one of us is being lied to, and one of us is taking sides with some very twisted and nasty people. I think it's you, you think it's me. Readers of this thread can make their own minds up.

I'm off home. Good day to you.

posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 04:50 AM

Originally posted by A Conscience

It is what you call sick motivation. The same motivation that compel them to drop cluster bombs so that children would be maimed or killed. I assume you would find that sickening too, unless you can find reasons to justify it. If they can intentionally do that to cause sickening injuries to children, what are the consequence of a few dead animals? It probably was just for self gratification because they could not find any Hamas fighters to kill.

Why is it that hard for you to come to grips with it? It will be a lot easier than trying to defend the indefensible.

This is just unconscionable disinformation. Impugning vicious motivation on the IDF based on popular malign quasi-information sources.

The fantasy glorification of Hamas as heroic freedom fighters is one of many slick marketing campaigns that has been perpetuated on the West.

The PLO leadership and now Hamas discovered very early in the game that the death of their own innocent children, the perpetual suffering of the beleagured Palestinians, was the key to millions annually in worldwide sympathy contributions. Every effort has been made to provoke Israel into retaliatory measures by incessant random shelling of civilian towns, attempts to kidnap or kill soldiers, suicide attacks in public places, etc.

Hamas leadership cynically has chosen a constant state of a freedom fighitng pseudo-war as the basis for their economy. Their primary benefactor, Iran, supplies them with the weapons, cash, and training to this end. Iran is basically too chicken-sh*t to confront their declared enemy Israel head on. So dupe proxies like Hamas and Hezbollah is their cowardly back door strategy.

Hamas demonstrably has no interest in actually running a country, creating supportive infrastructures for agriculture, manufacturing, education, transportation. It would mean hard work and planning. And they realize initially it would be administering a dysfunctional nation with no experience of peace and productivity. Peace means poverty. Dead Palestinian children translate to billions in foreign aid and benefactors for Hamas.

The facile demonization of Israel is the choice of those unwilling to examine closely the Middle East regime leaders deflection of their own corruption and ineptitude. Blaming Israel for their failures political and administerial is the solution. Naïve Westerners fall for this manipulation of their sentiments.


posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 08:22 AM

Originally posted by mrmonsoon
reply to post by InfaRedMan

I know, facts are so inconvient for the anti-Jewish crowd.

May I reiterate that my comments are political in nature and not race or religiously founded. However you appear to display a desire to warp it into such. It's a common knee jerk reaction from those losing political traction and I simply don't buy into it. Your dialog appears to be motivated by your own id. May I also say in closing that your 12 laughing emoticons appear to be somewhat of an over compensation.


posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 08:45 AM
reply to post by InfaRedMan

IRM, I suggest you re-read some of the posts by fapython whose side you are on in this debate. This is the reason that criticism of Israel (founded or otherwise) gets lumped together with Jew hatred.

It really is hard to tell the difference. Some are more open about it than others, but you cannot blame people for thinking the motivations are similar.

posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 09:06 AM

Originally posted by mattpryor
reply to post by InfaRedMan

IRM, I suggest you re-read some of the posts by fapython whose side you are on in this debate.

I am not on anyones 'side'. I have my own mind and merely addressed a post specifically directed to me. My interest spans no further than that.


posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 10:46 AM
Wars are rarely ever clean, with armed militaries fighting controlled battles in neutral territories.

The media were quick to pick up on the transgressions, perceived or real, by Israeli forces in Gaza. Hamas conveniently labels all Israelis as enemies, to circumvent their responsibility for the death of innocent civilians.
They also opted to only wear civilian garb during the Gaza incursion and claim the death of militants were civilian.

Anticlimactically, many months after their examination of the IDF, Human Right's Watch has released a report on Hamas's actions.

Rights group: Hamas may have committed war crimes

By DIAA HADID, Associated Press Writer

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip – A prominent human rights group said there is "strong evidence" that Gaza's Hamas rulers committed war crimes by allowing militants to fire rockets from the territory that killed civilians in Israel, according to a report released Thursday.

The 31-page report by the New York-based Human Rights Watch focuses on Hamas' actions in connection with Israel's three-week offensive in Gaza that ended in late January. Human Rights Watch, as well as other groups, have previously accused Israel of committing war crimes during the offensive aimed at stopping Palestinian rocket fire.

"Hamas rocket attacks targeting Israeli civilians are unlawful and unjustifiable, and amount to war crimes," said Iain Levine of Human Rights Watch. But the report stopped short of accusing Hamas militants of war crimes, with officials saying only a court could make that determination.

Hamas rejected the group's findings, calling it "biased."

More than 1,100 Palestinians were killed during the offensive. Palestinians said most were civilians, but Israel disputed that.

Three Israeli civilians were killed by rocket fire and 10 soldiers were also killed during the conflict that saw Israeli warplanes, tanks and artillery smashing Palestinian government buildings, and destroying and damaging thousands of apartments, schools and factories.

Hamas militants fired hundreds of rockets at southern Israeli towns, forcing thousands of civilians to hide in shelters or to flee. Many of those rockets were filmed by Israeli army drones and seen by foreign observers being launched from crowded Palestinian neighborhoods.

Israel was accused by rights groups of using excessive force and endangering civilians in Gaza.

A small group of Israeli soldiers who fought in the offensive made anonymous statements in a report issued last month saying the military used Palestinians as human shields, improperly fired incendiary white phosphorous shells over civilian areas and used overwhelming firepower that caused needless deaths and destruction. The report was released by an organization of Israeli army reservists critical of their country's treatment of Palestinians.

The army said if they would come forward and give evidence the allegations would be investigated. International rights groups have said the degree of force and heavy civilian death toll constituted war crimes, and the U.N. has launched a probe into the actions of Israel and Hamas

Bill Van Esveld of Human Rights Watch said the intent of armed groups to harm civilians, and not numbers of people killed, determined whether they committed war crimes.

Van Esveld said the Islamic militant group, which is committed to Israel's destruction, violated international war rules by allowing fighters to launch rockets that either "deliberately or indiscriminately" targeted civilian areas. Hamas also violated rules of war by allowing militants to fire from populated Gaza areas, endangering the lives of civilians, by making them vulnerable to return Israeli fire, he said.

Van Esveld said in the specific cases where three Israeli civilians were killed by rocket fire there was "strong evidence" Hamas militants committed war crimes.

One Israeli civilian, Beber Vaknin, 58, was killed while in his backyard, about six miles (10 kilometers) from Gaza. Hani al-Mahdi, an Israel construction worker, was killed at a building site. Irit Sheetrit, a mother of four, was killed as she drove home.

"It's clear evidence of intent to commit war crimes," Van Esveld said. He said other cases needed more investigation.

Hamas took responsibility for each of the attacks on its Web site but Hamas spokesman Ismail Ridwan nevertheless denied the charges.

"Hamas did not use human shields and did not fire rockets from residential areas. Hamas does not target civilians," Ridwan said.

In the lexicon of Hamas, no Israeli is considered a civilian as all have either performed compulsory military service, will serve in the future or are currently in the reserves.

Israeli government spokesman Mark Regev referred queries for comment on the report to a 160-page Israeli document on the Gaza offensive released last week. It contains 20 pages of documentation of Hamas practices, including rocket attacks, and Israel's response.

The Israeli NGO Monitor, which critiques groups such as Human Rights Watch, criticized it for waiting for six months before issuing its report critical of Hamas though it contained "no new information." Gerald Steinberg, director of NGO Monitor, noted that the group already released two reports critical of Israel. "The fact that it (Hamas) is only now on their agenda exposes their biased priorities," he said.


[edit on 6-8-2009 by mmiichael]

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