Originally posted by Hastobemoretolife
Also, tell me something, how does it save me money by my taxes being raised?

I'm not sure...I'm not your accountant Let me see your financial records and maybe I can tell.....

My guess is that you are going to fall in the Tax bracket that HAS to pay more than lower/middle class....So sorry!

There is one huge problem with Obama's plan, the Democrat's plan, and the Republican's plan: They all center around insurance.

Insurance is the single biggest contributor to the problems we have already with health care. You see, years ago people actually paid money to doctors for treatment. In order to have patients, the doctors had to keep their charges low enough that people had enough money to use their services. Some doctors became uber-wealthy by accepting goods for their services, be those goods chickens, goats, cattle, produce, or even land (which became extremely valuable as the years passed).

Enter insurance. With insurance, you have no worry about how much the medical bill is; you aren't the one paying it. With insurance all you need worry about is paying the premiums. So with insurance, doctors can charge more. A person will complain less about paying $500 a month than they will about paying a one-time fee of $5000.00. And in a year's timje, they will have paid $6000.00 in insurance premiums as compared to the 5000.00 they would have paid one time.

So now doctors can charge more and still get paid. But of course, insurance companies aren't going to operate in the red; they charge premiums based on what they have to pay out. So insurance rates go up. As insurance rates go up, doctors realize there is more money available so they charge more. As they charge more, insurance rates increase. It's a vicious spiral.

Eventually you end up where we are now. In order to curb insurance rates and keep customers, insurance companies begin limiting care. Doctors meanwhile are busily trying to increase the amount of care they give, because we now have an entire generation of doctors who realized the money available and got into the profession to get rich, not to help people. We the people are caught in the middle. And of course, for those who can't afford insurance (or can't get private insurance for health reasons), they are left out in the cold with outrageous health care costs. They simply can't compete against the financial prowess of the insurance companies.

I see the same thing happening to automobile repair. Costs have approached the point where companies are offering repair insurance. Just watch and see how fast prices will skyrocket as soon as enough people have this repair insurance.

So far, every single plan I have seen focuses on fixing insurance. I don't want insurance; I want health care. They are not the same thing! There would be more improvement in the availability of heath care if insurance were prohibited.

Insurance companies never healed anyone in the history of mankind. Think about it the next time you hear about the medical problems we have: do you want insurance, or health care?

TheRedneck

Well I hope so! Why should there be a third party in between Doctors and health raising the cost for no value added?

I am all for capitalism as long as it does not allow companies to grow large and powerful enough to ruin our nation.

Sure, research scientists, doctors, nurses etc... deserve to be wealthy based on their ability to do their job. Aside from that there really should be no other profiteers when it comes to peoples health.

There are plenty of other things people can become wealthy with.

I also think a persons health care should come before his need to pay taxes. Health care cost should be 100% deductible.

There are some very valid points being made on both sides of the spectrum here, and I applaud that. I don't think a government OPTION is a bad thing. If the govt wants to set up clinics that can provide low cost, or free health care, I think that could possibly be a great thing. But what President Obama is saying here is that you will no longer have the option to private health care coverage.

I am lucky enough to have great health insurence provided by my employer, and I do not say this to brag, but to point out that the "single payer" plan will take this away from me. I have worked very hard to educate myself, and find a job that offers such benefits to bring on and retain employers.

So the question is WHY DO I HAVE TO LOSE MY COVERAGE?

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[edit on 3-8-2009 by MysterE]

I must be the only person in the US that loves my health care coverage. Don't make me lose it! Just offer something as optional for people who need healthcare! It sounds so easy! How do we end up with a 1000 page bill that no one in Congress wrote or has read??

Originally posted by Hastobemoretolife
When is he going to stop campaigning and actually do something, wait that is okay he can keep campaigning, people will be sick of him by re-election comes around.

Perhaps the people will be tired of Obama by the time election time rolls around but....

They will also be tired of the conservatives whining, crybaby finger pointing with out alternative solutions/proposals.

Negative campaigns are obsolete. It didn't work with McCain/Palin and it won't work in 2012.

The GOP needs to have a positive workable solutions, not just swiftboat tactics.

Topic....Insurance companies suck. They are just like politicians; they promise but don't deliver. National health care can work if it is run like the VA or the Indian Health Service. Both paid for by taxes.

[edit on 4-8-2009 by whaaa]