Originally posted by epete22
Can someone help me on this.
If BHO jr father BHO Sr is and was knowingly born in Kenya doesnt that just prove the fact that BHO jr is not a natural born citizen?
Barack Obama Sr. was born in Kanyadhiang village, Rachuonyo District on the shores of Lake Victoria just outside Kendu Bay, Kenya, at the time a
colony of the British Empire, and raised in the village of Nyang’oma Kogelo, Siaya District, Nyanza Province.
to be a natural born citizen both parents must have been born in the United States. is this the distraction? Distracting us from the fathers birth
home to focus on the birth certificate?
[edit on 3-8-2009 by epete22]
this is probably thread hijacking, but here goes:
It doesn't matter where Obama Sr. was born as long as Pres. Obama was born in a state or territory, he's a citizen.
This refers to the 14th Amendment, which states that:
* the child is born in the United States
* of parents who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of a foreign power
* or, whose parents have a permanent domicile and residence in the United States
* or, whose parents are there carrying on business and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity of the foreign power to which they
becomes, at the time of his birth, a citizen of the United States, by virtue of the first clause of the 14th amendment of the Constitution. this
means that if you are born here from one or two immigrants who are not naturalized, you are still a citizen.
If you're parents are both citizens and born abroad, you are a citizen through jus sanguinis
. this means that if your parents are military
overseas of expatriates, their children are citizens. However, offspring of these citizens are not if
their parents have not resided in the US
at some point prior to engendering that child.
Now, post-1986, a person is a U.S. citizen if all of the following are true:
1. One of the person's parents was a U.S. citizen when the person in question was born;
2. The citizen parent lived at least 5 years in the United States before his or her child's birth;
3. A minimum of 2 of these 5 years in the United States were after the citizen parent's 14th birthday.
(Not applicable to the president)
This is the crux of the 'birther argument, that Pres. Obama is not a 'natural-born citizen' under the Constitution. Now, the Constitution does not
provide a definition, so the birthers have constructed one that excludes Obama (IMHO). Statute law, which confirms to condition four of Justice
Curtis' dissenting opinion on citizenship r: Dred Scott v. Sanford, states that anyone who is born of a US citizen outside of US borders or
boundaries shall be a natural born citizen, with the exception of those whose fathers have never resided in the US. This is explicitly laid out in
the Naturalization Act of 1790.
There are considerable gymnastics to make this seem inapplicable to Pres. Obama. His dad lived here, so he qualifies as natural born expressly stated
in this Act (the only Act to specifically state 'natural born' in US law), negating the thrust of the argument.
So, to recap:
You can descend from US parents.
You can descend from one US parent so long as the father of the child dwelt in the US previous to the child's birth.
Your parents can be military and you be born abroad.
You can be the child of citizens who were born overseas and be born overseas yourself, so long as your folks spent some time in the US.
Info via Wikipedia and other assorted references.
[edit on 3/8/09 by MagoSA]