reply to post by anumohi
I think shotguns are under estimated relative to assault rifles. residual opinions from old turkey guns. If you can speed load, and have a 8 + 1
capacity like my FNH. slugs in en masse on target would be devastating. lawn sweeper indeed!
One survival rifle, count it only 1, yes just one thats it, page 10
reply posted on 19-2-2011 @ 08:38 PM by HarryJoy
reply to post by Bluesquid
Let me throw in the fact that you have 2 shots with the M6. With a slug in the .410 you have some serious knock down in the 50yd and under range. There are also some specialty home defense multi slug rounds on the market for the .410 which are very nasty at 20yds and under. And the M6 has provision for a scope. I think I've been pretty realistic with this guns capabilities other then the comment about taking out the moose at a 100yds
I figured if other guys were taking out deer at 300yds with a 22 mag I could throw in the moose thing....besides with the compass on my survival
knife I could always find my way back home when I give up on tracking down the moose
. I will agree with what you said earlier about a 12g I
think it would be a very sensible choice for most people.
Let me throw in the fact that you have 2 shots with the M6. With a slug in the .410 you have some serious knock down in the 50yd and under range. There are also some specialty home defense multi slug rounds on the market for the .410 which are very nasty at 20yds and under. And the M6 has provision for a scope. I think I've been pretty realistic with this guns capabilities other then the comment about taking out the moose at a 100yds
I figured if other guys were taking out deer at 300yds with a 22 mag I could throw in the moose thing....besides with the compass on my survival
knife I could always find my way back home when I give up on tracking down the moose. I will agree with what you said earlier about a 12g I
think it would be a very sensible choice for most people.
reply posted on 19-2-2011 @ 11:09 PM by Bluesquid
Originally posted by HarryJoy
reply to post by Bluesquid
Let me throw in the fact that you have 2 shots with the M6. With a slug in the .410 you have some serious knock down in the 50yd and under range. There are also some specialty home defense multi slug rounds on the market for the .410 which are very nasty at 20yds and under. And the M6 has provision for a scope. I think I've been pretty realistic with this guns capabilities other then the comment about taking out the moose at a 100yds
My sarcastic sense of humor doesnt translate well via text. i come across as a dick. My only real point is, one rifle out of any in the world, and you pick that one??
reply posted on 20-2-2011 @ 10:25 AM by CosmicCitizen
reply to post by Bluesquid
Yes, shotguns are definitely underrated for CQB or home defense scenarios unless the invaders are wearing body armor (except flechettes). A 12 ga shotgun slug has as much lead as approx. eight to ten 55 grain 5.56/.223 bullets! Shotguns went mainstream militarily in WWI as "trench guns" and were also used in CQ jungle situations in both WWII and Vietnam.
Yes, shotguns are definitely underrated for CQB or home defense scenarios unless the invaders are wearing body armor (except flechettes). A 12 ga shotgun slug has as much lead as approx. eight to ten 55 grain 5.56/.223 bullets! Shotguns went mainstream militarily in WWI as "trench guns" and were also used in CQ jungle situations in both WWII and Vietnam.
reply posted on 20-2-2011 @ 07:08 PM by anumohi
reply to post by LordBaskettIV
if you were held up in a building or you could pack up ammo in a vehicle, unless you have a horse?
FAL is heavy and so is its clips, not including the ammo. you couldn't pack 200 plus rounds of ammo with any comfort or extra gear, so you will find yourself quickly without ammo and dragging around a beast that you will throw down, out of exhaustion.
even an AR with its lighter weight is still too clumsy when having to lug around for any real length of time and a couple hundred rounds of ammo in clips.
5.7x 28 or 22 mag is survival perfection at its finest.
but that's just my expert opinion
if you were held up in a building or you could pack up ammo in a vehicle, unless you have a horse?
FAL is heavy and so is its clips, not including the ammo. you couldn't pack 200 plus rounds of ammo with any comfort or extra gear, so you will find yourself quickly without ammo and dragging around a beast that you will throw down, out of exhaustion.
even an AR with its lighter weight is still too clumsy when having to lug around for any real length of time and a couple hundred rounds of ammo in clips.
5.7x 28 or 22 mag is survival perfection at its finest.
but that's just my expert opinion
reply posted on 20-2-2011 @ 11:23 PM by LordBaskettIV
reply to post by anumohi
Why would I hole up in a building? Anyone can just burn you out and shoot you as you flee. The gun would be used as a last resort if fleeing is not an option. There are no small game that can't be trapped(or large game for that matter). I regularly ruff it in the wild with a FAL and 300 rounds on top of my camping/living equipment and it is not heavy in the least. 90% of all confrontation can be avoided by simply being aware of the surroundings...for other 10%(humans, and large animals) a small caliber rifle can get you killled or put you at such a disadvantage as to be insane. A battle rifle is just that, for battle. It is not made for some specific situation(long range hunting or small game hunting), it is a "jack of all trades" type weapon that can transfer from dense forest to open fields and still be usable in all situations. Staying in a static location within chaos is asking for death. If SHTF, your rifle should never be wasted on game collection as its a waste of time and resources. You can trap 5 animals per day spending no more than 20 min setting, and another 20 min collecting depending on how far away from your trap line you decide to stay. Instead of hunting you can spend almost all your time on protection of yourself/others without wasting one single bullet(or calories). If it gets bad enough, there will always be more people that have no food than you have bullets. Any "fortress" or "castle" can and will be over run by others in time....unless you have a small army that outnumbers all the rest in your area which is unlikely. Good luck hiding all that "wealth" out in the open.
I'm only going by the OP's standard here. An AR type or AK type gun is also useable but they still lack the power that would come in useful from a 308 semi auto(cover penetration wise). I would pick an M-14 if they weren't so expensive.
Why would I hole up in a building? Anyone can just burn you out and shoot you as you flee. The gun would be used as a last resort if fleeing is not an option. There are no small game that can't be trapped(or large game for that matter). I regularly ruff it in the wild with a FAL and 300 rounds on top of my camping/living equipment and it is not heavy in the least. 90% of all confrontation can be avoided by simply being aware of the surroundings...for other 10%(humans, and large animals) a small caliber rifle can get you killled or put you at such a disadvantage as to be insane. A battle rifle is just that, for battle. It is not made for some specific situation(long range hunting or small game hunting), it is a "jack of all trades" type weapon that can transfer from dense forest to open fields and still be usable in all situations. Staying in a static location within chaos is asking for death. If SHTF, your rifle should never be wasted on game collection as its a waste of time and resources. You can trap 5 animals per day spending no more than 20 min setting, and another 20 min collecting depending on how far away from your trap line you decide to stay. Instead of hunting you can spend almost all your time on protection of yourself/others without wasting one single bullet(or calories). If it gets bad enough, there will always be more people that have no food than you have bullets. Any "fortress" or "castle" can and will be over run by others in time....unless you have a small army that outnumbers all the rest in your area which is unlikely. Good luck hiding all that "wealth" out in the open.
I'm only going by the OP's standard here. An AR type or AK type gun is also useable but they still lack the power that would come in useful from a 308 semi auto(cover penetration wise). I would pick an M-14 if they weren't so expensive.
reply posted on 21-2-2011 @ 12:26 AM by anumohi
reply to post by LordBaskettIV
Ive had inch pattern Fals and Tula Dragunav's amongst many other weapons over the years, and Ive lugged them heavy bastards over hill and dell and finally learned my lessen when it comes to packing light and maximizing efficiency. I'd rather have more useful gear in my pack or on my pack than a bunch of large caliber ammo and clips.
I'm a ridge runner myself, so i know all this stuff pretty intimately, not including having to pack a 16 with a 203 when in the army on maneuvers. lighter means faster and in any situation, you need to move as quickly as possible to set up without slopping and clanking gear around. i prefer taking head shots anyway so 22 mag will devastate a human brain at 200 plus yards no problem, and its going to be harder to detect my position than discharging that 308 cannon
but hey, if that's all you got? then you're in good company
Ive had inch pattern Fals and Tula Dragunav's amongst many other weapons over the years, and Ive lugged them heavy bastards over hill and dell and finally learned my lessen when it comes to packing light and maximizing efficiency. I'd rather have more useful gear in my pack or on my pack than a bunch of large caliber ammo and clips.
I'm a ridge runner myself, so i know all this stuff pretty intimately, not including having to pack a 16 with a 203 when in the army on maneuvers. lighter means faster and in any situation, you need to move as quickly as possible to set up without slopping and clanking gear around. i prefer taking head shots anyway so 22 mag will devastate a human brain at 200 plus yards no problem, and its going to be harder to detect my position than discharging that 308 cannon
but hey, if that's all you got? then you're in good company
reply posted on 23-2-2011 @ 01:18 AM by Reconer
reply to post by wills120
Yeah this guy knows what he is talking about. A good .22 with a decent scope will go a long way. Especially if you have one that takes long rifle and shorts too.
Yeah this guy knows what he is talking about. A good .22 with a decent scope will go a long way. Especially if you have one that takes long rifle and shorts too.
The Oldest and Most Incredible Weapons System...Ever. The ATLATL.
Posted 4 days ago with 58 member flags
Posted 4 days ago with 58 member flags
Mental Illness--how the hell do they expect to make it? (Anxiety, Rage, Bi-polar, Ect)
Posted 15 days ago with 12 member flags
Posted 15 days ago with 12 member flags
Newest topics, updated in real-time:
Newest topics getting flags, in real-time:
New ObamaGate Scandal; State Department Sold Stingers to Al Queda
Breaking Political News: 10 hours ago, 40 flags
Breaking Political News: 10 hours ago, 40 flags
Obama: There's no longer time for excuses for black men
Social Issues and Civil Unrest: 13 hours ago, 15 flags
Social Issues and Civil Unrest: 13 hours ago, 15 flags
Rossi’s E-Cat Cold Fusion Reactor Validated by Third-Party Tests
Science & Technology: 10 hours ago, 12 flags
Science & Technology: 10 hours ago, 12 flags
Newest topics getting replies, in real-time:
May 20, 2013 | Full List of 171 Documented Israeli Cease Fire Violations – Updated
Middle East Issues: 14 hours ago, 121 replies
Middle East Issues: 14 hours ago, 121 replies
This could be the MOST IMPORTANT thread you have ever read on Ats
Philosophy and Metaphysics: 15 hours ago, 60 replies
Philosophy and Metaphysics: 15 hours ago, 60 replies
New ObamaGate Scandal; State Department Sold Stingers to Al Queda
Breaking Political News: 10 hours ago, 58 replies
Breaking Political News: 10 hours ago, 58 replies
Obama: There's no longer time for excuses for black men
Social Issues and Civil Unrest: 13 hours ago, 57 replies
Social Issues and Civil Unrest: 13 hours ago, 57 replies
Preschools (in Australia) may get right to bar unvaccinated children
Medical Issues & Conspiracies: 13 hours ago, 50 replies
Medical Issues & Conspiracies: 13 hours ago, 50 replies
The Above Top Secret Web sites are a
wholly owned social content community of
The Above Network, LLC.
This content community relies on
user-generated content from our member contributors.
The opinions of our members are not those of site ownership
who maintains strict editorial agnosticism and simply provides
a collaborative venue for free expression.
ATS Server: www3.theabovenetwork.com
Header data: 0.002 seconds
Page processed in: 0.237 seconds
wholly owned social content community of
The Above Network, LLC.
This content community relies on
user-generated content from our member contributors.
The opinions of our members are not those of site ownership
who maintains strict editorial agnosticism and simply provides
a collaborative venue for free expression.
ATS Server: www3.theabovenetwork.com
Header data: 0.002 seconds
Page processed in: 0.237 seconds
