May I ask why people are so bothered where Obama came from? He could have crawled out from under a rock at the bottom of the pacific for all I care. He is still the US Puppet...erm I mean President. Nothing will change that.

To hear the Birthers tell it, their Holy Grail has been found: Over the weekend, de facto movement leader Orly Taitz released a photo of what is supposedly a certified copy of a Kenyan birth certificate for President Obama, which shows that he was born in Mombasa, Kenya and not in Hawaii.

The movement is, naturally, all abuzz. But even people who might normally be inclined to support it, like the founder of conservative forum FreeRepublic.com and the Birthers' favorite self-proclaimed document expert, who declared Obama's Hawaiian certification of live birth a forgery, are calling foul. The document is just another in an increasingly long line of fakes intended to prove Obama wasn't born in the U.S.

How do we know?

First of all, Obama was born in Hawaii. He has released a copy of his actual birth certificate -- the same kind of copy anyone requesting their birth certificate from the state would get -- and it has repeatedly been authenticated by Hawaii officials. They've also said that they've checked the original record in their files, and that Obama was born in Hawaii. Those records are supported by two newspaper announcements from the time of the president's birth -- and those announcements weren't submitted by the family, but taken from hospital records.

The Birthers won't care about that, of course -- they haven't yet.

Well, this doesn't help the partisan support much....

de facto movement leader Orly Taitz:

There is no 'movement'. It is characterized that way because so many people are asking 'inconvenient questions' which the partisans simply froth over.... Taitz leads no one.

supposedly a certified copy of a Kenyan birth certificate

I suppose that they can make this assertion since they spoke with Kenyan officials ... too bad they didn't say so - weak journalism

The document is just another in an increasingly long line of fakes intended to prove Obama wasn't born in the U.S.

I haven't seen any others from Kenya, but I'm sure many forgeries will be released to keep the waters of truth murky... the way it is meant to be

How do we know?

First of all, Obama was born in Hawaii.

Nice, circular logic.

actual birth certificate

'fraid not. Had this issue been resolved as this directly implies, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

repeatedly been authenticated by Hawaii officials.

Disingenuous characterization of facts, it was never 'authenticated' it was claimed to have been authenticated by ONE government of Hawaii official, TWICE - not 'repeatedly, unless you count the talking media heads and the partisan defenders of the faith.

They've also said that they've checked the original record in their files, and that Obama was born in Hawaii.

Again! Disingenuous characterization, it was by virtue of saying that 'they checked' that they claim it was authenticated; thus it does not follow automatically that it was.

supported by two newspaper announcements from the time of the president's birth -- and those announcements weren't submitted by the family, but taken from hospital records.

Oh well, if they say it was in the newspaper it MUST be true? No one gets away with that logic around here, regardless of the position you cling to.

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It's only fair that the sloppy pro Obama effort is as lame as the sloppy so-called 'birther' effort. Seems like both sides slowly sink into an abyss of nonsensical crap now.... it's a shame really, because this is far too important to turn into a partisan game.

It is a tribute to the MSM and our now all but defunct 'free' press that this issue is not over and done with. I guess that's the whole point of the exercise....

[edit on 3-8-2009 by Maxmars]

'fraid not. Had this issue been resolved as this directly implies, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

The issue has been dealt with, about 1,000 times since Obama first decided to run for office. What then happens is that everyone just figures every time a judge throws it out of court or validates Obama's birth certificate, they just dismiss it as "Part of the conspiracy."

The "Birthers" are fixated on this for one reason and one reason only. IF they can "prove" that Obama was born in Kenya, they think they can have the election nullified without regard to the popular vote. They know that the chance of getting Obama out of office before 2012 is 0% otherwise. They also have a VERY tenuous understanding of law. They seem to think that because a presidential candidate has to be a "natural born citizen", the candidate must go around and show every voter his "long form" birth certificate. They don't seem to understand that the Federal Elections Commission certifies candidates, and that the FEC is not required to put the documents on the internet. They also refuse to believe that the definition of "natural-born" was settled law many years ago. You are either a "naturalized" citizen or you are "natural born". Like jail-house lawyers, they often get it wrong.
They will never quit because logic never enters the picture. Whether Obama serves one term or two, they will still be arguing this thirty years from now, just as in the 1970s, the group I termed the "Hairy Ear Squad" used to argue about the Fed. When I realized that reason and logic played no part in the Birther world, I quit reading their threads.
One more thing regarding the Constitution: in their wisdom, the Framers decided that SCOTUS was the FINAL AUTHORITY on interpretation. For those that don't agree, let me know how that works out for you in court.

The "Birthers" are fixated on this for one reason and one reason only. IF they can "prove" that Obama was born in Kenya, they think they can have the election nullified without regard to the popular vote.

Precisely.

I'm sure there will be more attempts at fraud of this kind as well.

These people are profoundly ethically challenged: all that matters to them is to bring down Obama - the truth, democratic elections, etc. are all less important to them than the victory of their ideology - by any means necessary.

Originally posted by xmotex

The "Birthers" are fixated on this for one reason and one reason only. IF they can "prove" that Obama was born in Kenya, they think they can have the election nullified without regard to the popular vote.

Precisely.

I'm sure there will be more attempts at fraud of this kind as well.

These people are profoundly ethically challenged: all that matters to them is to bring down Obama - the truth, democratic elections, etc. are all less important to them than the victory of their ideology - by any means necessary.

Exactly. That's what bothers me: "By any means necessary...".

I find the whole scenario quite sad,couldn't bring myself to post in the thread.Really scraping the bottom of the barrel i must say...

[edit on 3-8-2009 by Solomons]

Originally posted by Toughiv
May I ask why people are so bothered where Obama came from? He could have crawled out from under a rock at the bottom of the pacific for all I care. He is still the US Puppet...erm I mean President. Nothing will change that.

People love a good mystery and the fact that he hasn't released his long form certificate has people guessing about what he's trying to hide by not releasing it. Even if he was born outside the US like McCain, it's possible he could still be a citizen. I don't know about the puppet charge, that's possible, at least he probably owes a lot of people a lot of favors for all those campaign contributions.

Anyway, if he never releases the long form certificate, people will always wonder what's on it and if he's hiding something, that's just human nature. The fact that he's released the required short form and it's valid, doesn't take that mystery away about what's on the long form. What he's hiding, if anything, could have nothing to do with his citizenship.

[edit on 3-8-2009 by Arbitrageur]

Thanks for the link, HH!

How many times since this issue first came up (over a year ago) have we heard these people say they've found the smoking gun?

We have his Kenyan BC, will show it next Friday!
We've found a Kenyan official who says Obama is born in Kenya, will tell all next Friday!
We've found an expert to debunk the COLB, will reveal his identity...never?
We've found his sister's Hawaiin COLB, will reveal it next Friday!
The Supreme Court is going to hear the case! More on the case next Friday!

When will these people realize they're running like gerbils on a treadmill, chasing a carrot on a stick?

Who here would like to wager that the incomes of Berg, Taitz, WND, etc. have skyrocketed since this issue became known? Isn't it odd that all of these "breakthroughs" in the birth conspiracy all come from the same tiny circle of people? Isn't it odd that this same small group of people will come out with a new issue or story every 1 or 2 weeks to conveniently keep the buzz going?

Oh well, see you guys next week for WND's next exclusive breakthrough in the case!

[edit on 3-8-2009 by Avenginggecko]

What i stated in the other thread about this infamous Kenyan birth certificate, i think its a fake and the whole story is a hoax, but that O RLY do get a lot of public attention i think it will help one of her 3 business somehow in a positive way, no matter the outcome of this trial.

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