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The Truth About Iran's Nuclear Program

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posted on Aug, 3 2009 @ 11:11 AM
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And so the stories continue to vilify Iran. Stories from proven entertainment news agencies like FOX news, who serve no other purpose than to spread propaganda and lies about whatever the latest agenda of the government is.


It would be nice, for a change, if people around here started relying on more REAL news and the ACTUAL state of Iran's nuclear program, according to the international agency tasked with determining exactly that: The IAEA.

The IAEA doesn't come up with catchy phrases for sources such as "our western intelligence sources" or anything like that. The IAEA works directly with nearly every government in world to draw somewhat reliable conclusions on the state of nuclear affairs in any one given country. And it is their own teams of people who go to these countries and inspect the facilities to reach conclusions.

So while you all continue to speculate and spread more propaganda, just like FOX and the government want you to in order to attain public support for the bombing of Iran's nuclear facilities, I will opt instead to provide you with the latest news I could find at the IAEA's site regarding Iran:


1.5 Islamic Republic of Iran

# During 2008, the Director General submitted four reports to the Board of Governors on the implementation of Iran´s comprehensive safeguards agreement and relevant provisions of United Nations Security Council resolutions (GOV/2008/4, GOV/2008/15, GOV/2008/38 and GOV/2008/59). Iran provided the Agency with access to declared nuclear material and provided the required nuclear material accounting reports in connection with declared nuclear material and facilities. The Agency was able to verify the non-diversion of the declared nuclear material in Iran in 2008.


# Since March 2007, Iran has not implemented the modified text of its Subsidiary Arrangements General Part, Code 3.1, on the early provision of design information. Iran has continued to object to the Agency´s carrying out of design information verification (DIV) at the Iran Nuclear Research Reactor (IR-40) and did not permit the Agency to carry out the DIV scheduled for October 2008 at that facility.


# In 2008, Iran and the Agency continued to address issues related to Iran´s past nuclear activities. At the end of 2008, there remained a number of outstanding issues that need to be clarified since they give rise to concern about possible military dimensions to Iran´s nuclear programme. These issues relate to the alleged studies on the green salt project, high explosives testing and the design of a missile re-entry vehicle; the circumstances of the acquisition of the uranium metal document; procurement and research and development (R&D) activities of military related institutes and companies that could be nuclear related; and the production of nuclear equipment and components by companies belonging to defence industries. Iran has not provided substantive information or access to relevant documentation, locations or individuals that would have allowed the Agency to make progress on these issues.


# Unless Iran implements the above transparency measures and the Additional Protocol, as required by the Security Council, the Agency will not be in a position to provide credible assurance about the absence of undeclared nuclear material and activities in Iran.


# Contrary to the decisions of the United Nations Security Council, Iran did not implement the additional protocol and did not suspend its enrichment related activities in 2008, having continued with the operation of the Pilot Fuel Enrichment Plant and the construction and operation of the Fuel Enrichment Plant at Natanz. Iran also continued its work on heavy water related projects, including the construction of a heavy water moderated research reactor at Arak. There was no indication of reprocessing related activities at any declared facilities in Iran in 2008.


So there it is. There are some issues, no doubt. But even the IAEA maintains with it's last statement here that:

There was no indication of reprocessing related activities at any declared facilities in Iran in 2008.

www.iaea.org...

What is it going to take before people learn to disregard the stupid, asinine, politically motivated reports from every angle imaginable to vilify Iran and promote Israel's desire to destroy Iran's natural right to nuclear energy?

It seems to me from this report that Syria, while still somewhat suspect over the facility that was destroyed by Israel in September 2007, is suffering to a lesser degree from the same fate:


1.6 Syrian Arab Republic

# In November 2008, the Director General submitted a report to the Board of Governors on the implementation of the NPT safeguards agreement in Syria.


# In April 2008, the Agency was provided with information alleging that an installation destroyed by Israel at Dair Alzour in Syria in September 2007 had been a nuclear reactor under construction. According to this information, the reactor was not yet operational and no nuclear material had been introduced into it. In June 2008, the Agency held discussions with Syria in Damascus and visited the Dair Alzour site, where it took environmental samples. Syria informed the Agency that the Dair Alzour site was a military site and was not involved in any nuclear activities.


# In 2008, the Agency analysed all information available to it as a result of the visit to the Dair Alzour site and its discussions with Syria and also analysed information from other sources.


# As indicated in the report, while it cannot be excluded that the destroyed building was intended for non-nuclear use, the features of the building, along with the connectivity of the site to adequate pumping capacity of cooling water, were similar to what may be found in connection with a reactor site. By the end of 2008, Syria had not provided the requested documentation in support of its declarations concerning the nature or function of the destroyed building.


# Analysis of environmental samples from the Dair Alzour site revealed a significant number of natural uranium particles. The analysis indicated that the uranium was anthropogenic, i.e. had been produced as a result of chemical processing. By the end of 2008, the Agency was still investigating Syria´s explanations about the possible origin of the uranium particles and had requested Syria to provide further access to the Dair Alzour site and any other locations where the debris and equipment from the building had been stored, for the purpose of taking samples. Also, the Agency suggested - as a matter of transparency - a visit to three other locations that might help it in its verification activities. At the end of 2008, the Agency´s verification work in Syria was continuing.


# For 2008, the Agency found no indication of the diversion of declared nuclear material in Syria. Therefore, the Agency was able to conclude for Syria that all declared nuclear material remained in peaceful activities.


Again, read the last statement. So what's the difference?

Iran has vast quantities of OIL, as the world's 4th largest oil exporter. And in my opinion, it's rifts with Israel serve as a convenient excuse to ratchet up the rhetoric for BIG OIL, who are chomping at the bit to get their greedy paws on the huge swath of oil fields that run along the Iran/Iraqi border.

This isn't about nuclear weapons. This isn't about "wiping Israel off the map." This isn't about Muslim/Christian religious differences. This isn't about "freedom".

THIS IS ABOUT MONEY. Period.

So get on the right side of the argument, people. Please.




posted on Aug, 3 2009 @ 12:04 PM
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Scott Ritter on Iranian Nuclear Program from 2007:



Scott Ritter, a former UNSCOM weapons inspector, was the single individual who, before the war, stuck his neck out stated that Iraq did NOT possess WMD. He was all over national TV with this message but was dismissed as heretic.

Scott Ritter:


Iran could not build a nuclear weapon even if they wanted to. They just do not have the technological capability.


He goes on to explain how they have had terrible problems with their own contaminated uranium, and plenty more, pointing out that this "eminent threat" is nothing more than a political ploy.

He categorically states in this video that:

"THERE IS NO NUCLEAR WEAPONS PROGRAM IN IRAN."

So keep relying on Fox news, people. Keep listening to Israeli propaganda. :shk:



posted on Aug, 3 2009 @ 04:13 PM
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Star, flag, and a bump. Excellent work. People need to read this, and let it soak in. US American's, Israelis, Arabs, and Persians are all going to suffer should the PTB get their way............excellent work!



posted on Aug, 3 2009 @ 05:01 PM
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Thanks. And no one could agree with your statements more than Scott Ritter:

Here he is again telling it how it really is. He makes the vitally important points that Iran is not likely going to influence the UNSC, but instead by allowing weapons inspectors into Iran and gaining a negative report of a nuclear weapons program, that they actually then empower the public across the globe with the factual information they need to deny support for any attack against Iran's facilities, and easily counter this baseless, mass media propaganda war against Iran.

And there is plenty more here worth viewing too.



Watch the question and answer section where he addresses the question of whether there is a conspiracy to suppress the truth on Iran (yes, there is):



And Scott Ritter isn't the only one desperately begging the American people and the world to look at facts, not fiction, for the sake of us all:


The Bush administration routinely talked about "Iran's nuclear weapon program" or "Iran's pursuit of nuclear weapons," without ever bothering to present any credible evidence for their assertion. Iran's drive for nuclear weapons has become an article of faith even to President Obama, who, in my opinion, is not pro-war. Leon Panetta, the new CIA director, recently said, "From all the information I've seen, I think there is no question that they [Iranians] are seeking that [nuclear weapon] capability." What information, Mr. Panetta? Enlighten us, please.

An important base for the campaign has been the U.S. Congress. Take, for example, the report by Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R-Mich.), the then chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, issued on Aug. 23, 2006. The first bullet on page four of the report stated, "Iran has conducted a clandestine uranium enrichment program for nearly two decades in violation of its IAEA safeguards agreement, and despite its claim to the contrary, Iran is seeking nuclear weapons."

Not a single word in this statement is true. Iran did not violate its Safeguards Agreement, signed in 1974 with the IAEA, when it did not declare the construction of the Natanz facility for uranium enrichment. The agreement stipulated that Iran was only obligated to declare the existence of the facility 180 days prior to introducing nuclear materials into the facility. Iran did just that in February 2003, and nuclear materials were brought into the facility during summer 2003. The assertion that Iran is seeking nuclear weapon was a lie then, as it is now. No evidence of a secret nuclear weapons program has been discovered. Although the U.S. National Intelligence Estimate released in early December 2007 stated that Iran halted its nuclear weapons program in 2003, it did not present any evidence that the program existed prior to 2003.

A caption to a figure on page nine of Hoekstra's report stated that "Iran is currently enriching uranium to weapons grade using a 164-machine centrifuge cascade at this facility in Natanz." This was another lie. Neither then nor now, when there are over 5,000 centrifuges at Natanz, has Iran enriched uranium to weapons grade.

According to the bullet at the top of page 11, "Spent fuel from the LWR [light water reactor] that Russia is building for Iran in the city of Bushehr can produce enough weapons-grade plutonium for 30 weapons per year if the fuel rods were diverted and reprocessed." First of all, according to the Iran-Russia agreement, the spent fuel will be returned to Russia. Second, the plutonium from LWR spent fuel is not suitable for making nuclear weapons. Even if it were, it should not be labeled as "weapons grade," because converting it to weapons grade is costly, laborious, and time-consuming. Third, the IAEA monitors the Bushehr reactor operations. There is no possibility of overtly or covertly diverting any nuclear materials.

Such lies and distortions forced the IAEA to take the unusual step of sending an angry letter to Hoekstra. Signed by Vilmos Cserveny, a senior official at the IAEA, the letter took "strong exception to the incorrect and misleading assertion" that the IAEA had removed a senior safeguards inspector for "allegedly raising concerns about Iranian deception," and branded as "outrageous and dishonest" the report's suggestion that he was removed for not adhering "to an unstated IAEA policy barring IAEA officials from telling the truth" about Iran.

The U.S. mainstream media, and in particular the New York Times, has played a leading role in the campaign of lies and deceptions against Iran's peaceful nuclear program. One would think that, after all the lies and exaggerations that Judith Miller and Michael Gordon planted in the Times about Iraq's nonexistent weapons of mass destruction, the Times would learn its lesson. Absolutely not!

For example, after the Nov. 15, 2007, IAEA report on Iran, which, once again, gave Iran a clean bill of health, Elaine Sciolino and William J. Broad of the Times declared, "Nuclear report finds Iran's disclosures were inadequate." This was while the IAEA report itself stated several times that the information provided by Iran was "consistent" with the IAEA findings. The word "inadequate" was not used even once in the report.


Excellent article, please check that out!

www.antiwar.com...

[edit on Mon Aug 3rd 2009 by TrueAmerican]



posted on Aug, 3 2009 @ 05:54 PM
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I'm in Antiwar a lot. Also, whatreallyhappened, desertpeace, globalresearch, etc.

I am in awe at the apparent lack of interest. It confuses the heck out of me.

People somehow associate knocking the definately coming war; with hating peace, and Israel??? Blows my frickin mind; I say.

Heck yes, I'm down on the PTB and their NWO. Yes, I think they run Zionism, but I think they run most other Western world 'groups'.

The average US American better wake up, and the average Israeli better wake up to the facts we are both being used as frickin cannon fodder.

This all goes back a long way, and Albet Pyke...the insider wants all of us destroying each other.

ha ha ha, not even my thread, and I cannot believe it. Hey, good job again.



posted on Aug, 3 2009 @ 06:02 PM
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I am not for war of any kind but would simply like to provide a blatant example of either total disinformation or complete idiocy.

El Baradei says Iran wants bomb
www.reuters.com...



posted on Aug, 3 2009 @ 06:06 PM
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Yup, being saying this for years.

The propaganda campaign against Iran is ridiculous and echoes the one we saw for Iraq during the pre war period after 9/11.

People need to wake up and question the things they are being told by the media.

It's kind of sad that there will most likely be a war over Iran's nuclear ambitions and people will be all for it. Ohh well, Iran won't take that lying down, the people who are against them better prepare.

They might not have the most advanced rocket and missile systems, but Iran is one of the #1 countries involved in Biological Warfare. Good luck folks.

~Keeper



posted on Aug, 3 2009 @ 07:04 PM
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I think you guys are being lead down the wrong path-that iran is Harmless.

Point 1-We got the V=Chinese helping them.

Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman discussed the proliferation of nuclear technology to Iran with his Chinese counterpart on Thursday, during a one-to-one, closed-door meeting that lasted 40 minutes at the Foreign Ministry in Jerusalem.

Foreign Minister Avigdor Liberman, right, speaks during a joint press conference with his Chinese counterpart Yang Jiechi in Jerusalem, Thursday
Photo: AP
SLIDESHOW: Israel & Region | World
The meeting came two weeks after American authorities charged Chinese businessman Li Fang Wei with using his company to supply Iran with nuclear technology and missiles.
Li has denied the charges, claiming his shipments were not intended for military use and telling the Financial Times earlier this month that he had limited his relationship with Iran after being censured by the Chinese authorities

Point 2: They had the russian's helping them since way back when:
Power Reactors: Bushehr Nuclear Power Station
In January 1995, Russian Minister of Atomic Energy Viktor Mikhailov and the head of the Atomic Energy Agency of Iran, Reza Amrollahi, signed a $800 million contract calling for Russia to complete the first unit of the unfinished nuclear power station at Bushehr by installing a 1,000MW VVER-1000 light-water reactor at the site within four and a half years.[1] Construction of a nuclear power station at Bushehr had been started in 1974 by the German firm Siemens as part of the Shah’s nuclear program. However, work stopped after the Iranian revolution of 1979, and the site was heavily damaged by bombing during the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war. Iran tried to find a contractor to finish the plant during the 1980s, but failed owing to US pressure on potential suppliers. Amrollahi and Mikhailov also signed a secret protocol to the contract under which Russia and Iran would conduct talks on a wide range of nuclear assistance beyond the power reactor. Under this protocol, Russia agreed to open negotiations on providing Iranian specialists with training at Russian nuclear research centers, assisting Iran’s efforts to mine uranium, and supplying Iran with a gas-centrifuge uranium enrichment facility. The protocol also discussed the possibility of Russia providing Iran with 2,000 metric tons (MT) of natural uranium and a research reactor.[2] In August 1995, Russia and Iran signed a 10-year contract under which Russia would supply nuclear fuel, fabricated at the Novosibirsk Chemical Concentrate Plant, for the Bushehr plant.[3] In February 2002, Minatom announced that Bushehr NPP's first reactor will become operational in September 2003.[10] Minatom officials have indicated on a number of occasions that a contract for a second reactor at Bushehr may be issued after the first reactor becomes operational.[11] For more recent developments, see the Nuclear Exports to Iran Developments file.

Point 3: just read the poor IAEA report-all i hear is that Iran has not Co-Operated with them in the inspections, not giving them all the info they need and its now been over a year that they have had access and over 2 years without access to the one or more of their sites, not to mention the ones we don'tknow about. then they sum it up by saying they did not see that Iran does not have the technology- How can they make a comment like that with half the facts-

"Iran need Nuclear power for Electricity" Now there's the joke of the century. So does every other country in the world. So why don't we just make it for everyone. Hey we can be the lead exporter and maybe offset our defecit.

As for the reason being that its about money-Firstly maybe you should check who Iran sell their oil to. The U.S Don't buy oil from Iran

THESE are the top ten countries that the U.S. imports from:

1. Canada
2. Mexico
3. Saudi Arabia
4. Venezuela
5. Nigeria
6. Angola
7. Iraq
8. Algeria
9. United Kingdom
10. Brazil

Check out this link to see updated info on U.S oil imports-Iran does not appear -NOT ONE BARREL- OOPS you've been lied to!

tonto.eia.doe.gov...



posted on Aug, 3 2009 @ 07:21 PM
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You really hit it ALL on the mark with your comment. Iran does have a fantastic biological warfare program. They bought out most of the former USSR's program when it collapsed.

Putin put it all out there a few years back... The speech given somewhere around Feb. 10, 2007 was when Putin told the world that the US****, and former USSR had sold anyone in the world whatever** they wanted** in the 80's, and early 90's. Both countries sold nukes.

reply to post by sharkbait
 


Wow, you actually buy into the disinformation.... Incredible. I've been following this situation for a long time, and many others have as well. If the US, and Israel go into Iran, then the US, and Israel will loose in short order.

You mentioned some countries down there as trading partners; many of which have economic, and defense allegences with Iran, Russia, and China.

Brazil for example is in BLOC..... Then you've got the SCO, and NAM countries. All of these role back to defense treaties between them.

Your notion that Iran will not effect the oil supply to the US is childish; have you no comprehension of basic economics? Supply, and Demand? Let me tell you something, I did a thread not to long ago on OIL chokepoints. These include the Suez Canal, and the Straight Of Hormuz. Guess what happens when those get shut down, and they will???? Over 40% of the worlds oil supply is stopped.

Gas cost rising doesn't just mean fuel going up, but it will add to the hyper inflation we are going to be seeing soon; thanks to the Fed's Dollar.

Now let's talk EMPIRE'S.......... The US has actual active duty commands all over the world. SouthCom, NorthCom, CyberCom, AfraCom, InfoCom, etc, etc, etc.

Did you know we've got the actual 4th fleet with "Boots on the ground" in the Caribbean, and off the coast in South America??? WHY??? Did you know that the Russians OPENLY countered that with strategic nuclear bombers basing out of Venezuela, and Cuba. It was the US that stirred the pot first.

Your ignorance is overwhelming. Remember Deny.


I forgot, let's not forget that Israel has an ****Illegal****nuclear arsenal, and they have a manufacturing facility too..........Dimona.... They won't sign any treaties, and they are breaking the LAW!!!


[edit on 3-8-2009 by sanchoearlyjones]



posted on Aug, 3 2009 @ 07:45 PM
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In all propaganda there has to be a thread of truth for it to work. When I need a good belly laugh I watch the big ones - nbc, abc, cbs, msm ... and it does wonders for me. A while back Iran had a leak in one of its warheads (poor Korean workmanship?) and everyone left alive ran for it. Any country that wants to be taken seriously has a nbc program of some sort. And there are plenty of countries (even the US of A) who will sell to them. Follow the money. And who needs money the most right now? Could it be America???



posted on Aug, 3 2009 @ 07:56 PM
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Originally posted by bryanku
I am not for war of any kind but would simply like to provide a blatant example of either total disinformation or complete idiocy.

El Baradei says Iran wants bomb
www.reuters.com...


Um - it is his gut feeling that they might want the technology - WOW - he said straight he does not know this - it is a gut feeling.

Please - read your OWN posts before making such utterly ridiculous statements about such serious issues.



posted on Aug, 3 2009 @ 08:01 PM
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Originally posted by SharkBait
I think you guys are being lead down the wrong path-that iran is Harmless.

Point 1-We got the V=Chinese helping them.

Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman discussed the proliferation of nuclear technology to Iran with his Chinese counterpart on Thursday, during a one-to-one, closed-door meeting that lasted 40 minutes at the Foreign Ministry in Jerusalem.

Foreign Minister Avigdor Liberman, right, speaks during a joint press conference with his Chinese counterpart Yang Jiechi in Jerusalem, Thursday
Photo: AP
SLIDESHOW: Israel & Region | World
The meeting came two weeks after American authorities charged Chinese businessman Li Fang Wei with using his company to supply Iran with nuclear technology and missiles.
Li has denied the charges, claiming his shipments were not intended for military use and telling the Financial Times earlier this month that he had limited his relationship with Iran after being censured by the Chinese authorities

Point 2: They had the russian's helping them since way back when:
Power Reactors: Bushehr Nuclear Power Station
In January 1995, Russian Minister of Atomic Energy Viktor Mikhailov and the head of the Atomic Energy Agency of Iran, Reza Amrollahi, signed a $800 million contract calling for Russia to complete the first unit of the unfinished nuclear power station at Bushehr by installing a 1,000MW VVER-1000 light-water reactor at the site within four and a half years.[1] Construction of a nuclear power station at Bushehr had been started in 1974 by the German firm Siemens as part of the Shah’s nuclear program. However, work stopped after the Iranian revolution of 1979, and the site was heavily damaged by bombing during the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war. Iran tried to find a contractor to finish the plant during the 1980s, but failed owing to US pressure on potential suppliers. Amrollahi and Mikhailov also signed a secret protocol to the contract under which Russia and Iran would conduct talks on a wide range of nuclear assistance beyond the power reactor. Under this protocol, Russia agreed to open negotiations on providing Iranian specialists with training at Russian nuclear research centers, assisting Iran’s efforts to mine uranium, and supplying Iran with a gas-centrifuge uranium enrichment facility. The protocol also discussed the possibility of Russia providing Iran with 2,000 metric tons (MT) of natural uranium and a research reactor.[2] In August 1995, Russia and Iran signed a 10-year contract under which Russia would supply nuclear fuel, fabricated at the Novosibirsk Chemical Concentrate Plant, for the Bushehr plant.[3] In February 2002, Minatom announced that Bushehr NPP's first reactor will become operational in September 2003.[10] Minatom officials have indicated on a number of occasions that a contract for a second reactor at Bushehr may be issued after the first reactor becomes operational.[11] For more recent developments, see the Nuclear Exports to Iran Developments file.

Point 3: just read the poor IAEA report-all i hear is that Iran has not Co-Operated with them in the inspections, not giving them all the info they need and its now been over a year that they have had access and over 2 years without access to the one or more of their sites, not to mention the ones we don'tknow about. then they sum it up by saying they did not see that Iran does not have the technology- How can they make a comment like that with half the facts-

"Iran need Nuclear power for Electricity" Now there's the joke of the century. So does every other country in the world. So why don't we just make it for everyone. Hey we can be the lead exporter and maybe offset our defecit.

As for the reason being that its about money-Firstly maybe you should check who Iran sell their oil to. The U.S Don't buy oil from Iran

THESE are the top ten countries that the U.S. imports from:

1. Canada
2. Mexico
3. Saudi Arabia
4. Venezuela
5. Nigeria
6. Angola
7. Iraq
8. Algeria
9. United Kingdom
10. Brazil

Check out this link to see updated info on U.S oil imports-Iran does not appear -NOT ONE BARREL- OOPS you've been lied to!

tonto.eia.doe.gov...



What on EARTH is this post ?

A businessman who didn't sell anything ? A Russian nuclear reactor that NO-ONE not even Bush is interested in, because it is for energy...

And a misunderstanding of the failures to comply - sorry - Iran has complied with ALL inspections, it is refusing to comply with demands to stop enrichment which it has every right to do in order to supply its reactors -

And then you talk of money and relate Irans oil sales to America as evidence there are no oil sales ?

Please make a point instead of a series of unrelated inanities of minimal consequence - you do not understand what is being discussed.



posted on Aug, 3 2009 @ 08:09 PM
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You can't be serious right? My post was intended to reflect the disinformation of the media by making a countering post to the OP's articles posted at the top. His articles, directly from the IAEA, indicating no evidence of a nuclear weapons program, when not two months ago the head of the IAEA says....let me rephrase "has gut feeling Iran wants a bomb". I can't believe I twisted the intention of the article, I must apologize to the rest of the board. I think most everyone with deductive reasoning skills saw the point of my post, a skill you unfortunately do not possess.

Edit: Forgot to add that this is the title of the article....WOW. Slowdown champ, let's work on those debunking skills.


[edit on 3-8-2009 by bryanku]



posted on Aug, 3 2009 @ 08:25 PM
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Originally posted by bryanku
reply to post by audas
 


You can't be serious right? My post was intended to reflect the disinformation of the media by making a countering post to the OP's articles posted at the top. His articles, directly from the IAEA, indicating no evidence of a nuclear weapons program, when not two months ago the head of the IAEA says....let me rephrase "has gut feeling Iran wants a bomb". I can't believe I twisted the intention of the article, I must apologize to the rest of the board. I think most everyone with deductive reasoning skills saw the point of my post, a skill you unfortunately do not possess.

Edit: Forgot to add that this is the title of the article....WOW. Slowdown champ, let's work on those debunking skills.


[edit on 3-8-2009 by bryanku]


The OP has made the point very succinctly that the MSM is parroting inanities without evidence - the evidence presented by the UN Atomic inspectors is that they have not sought in any meaningful way to produce a nuclear weapon - the only thing being put forward to suggest that they do is hubris and innuendo - you then reply with a post which is based on "gut feeling" as though it were some form of rebuttal but in fact merely backs up the OP's point entirely -

Do not seek to denigrate my intellect or deductive capacity with derogatory remarks it only makes you look intellectually feeble as I can assure you, that you are in no position yo question me - take this as a friendly assurance that you will come off significantly worse than me if you engage in an battle of intellects -- MODS!

So it would appear that my original remarks questioning the veracity of your position, and border line meaningless post stand - your post and subsequent response only serve to highlight your self hypocrisy and lack of comprehension regarding the logic of this thread.....



posted on Aug, 3 2009 @ 08:30 PM
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Ok, apology accepted. This time. But a wary eye will be kept on you. Be accurate man. PLEASE! Don't twist statements, exaggerate, or misrepresent.

Haven't you learned yet that because of statements just like that- twisted, exaggerated, and misrepresented, US special interests sold the rest of us and the world an invasion of Iraq that has cost untold lives and dollars? When in reality it was people like Ritter and Mohamed ElBaradei that were telling us all along they were full of crap?

What, you want this all over again in Iran now? Well maybe it will be one of YOUR family that gets killed this time serving greedy, malicious interests! How would you like THAT?

The US went as far as to intercept the phone calls of Mohamed ElBaradei when he was talking to Iran, in an attempt to find something they could use against him to prevent his reappointment in his third term at the IAEA- in apparent retribution for not bowing to the pressures of these US special interests to vilify Iran. And they couldn't find jack, so they had to finally cave in and join in the unanimous reappointment vote.

I am curious about how this new governor from Japan will perform at the helm, and his position on Iran.

www.iaea.org...


Board Formally Appoints Yukiya Amano as IAEA Director General
Appointment Goes to General Conference for Approval in September
Staff Report
3 July 2009

Ambassador Yukiya Amano of Japan today addressed the Board of Governors following his successful bid to become the IAEA´s next Director General later this year. The Board officially appointed Mr. Amano at a meeting at IAEA headquarters in Vienna.

"I will dedicate my efforts to the acceleration and enlargement of the contribution of atomic energy to peace, health and prosperity throughout the world," Mr. Amano said. He pledged to work towards the enhancement of technical cooperation and its related activities and the prevention of the spread of nuclear weapons.

Expressing his pleasure at being appointed to the position of Director General, Ambassador Amano said he would devote himself to the "effective, efficient and impartial functioning of the Agency."

The Board meeting today was convened by Ms. Taous Feroukhi, the Board´s Chair, and was open to all IAEA Member States. Many States presented statements to the Board, congratulating Mr. Amano and commending the service of outgoing Director General Mohamed ElBaradei.


His term starts December 1, 2009.

And I can say that anyone attempting to tell us how harmful Iran is has got a mouthful coming from me on Israel's double standard with nuclear weapons. At least Iran has fulfilled its commitments under the NPT. Israel won't even sign on.

[edit on Mon Aug 3rd 2009 by TrueAmerican]



posted on Aug, 3 2009 @ 08:52 PM
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Israel wont sign on you say - Israel has ignored or is in direct breach well over 200 resolutions against it......Israel is irrelevant for me, it is so far beyond the boundaries of acceptable behavior civil society that it is completely bankrupt of all legitimacy - it is a rogue state by any definition of the term. Their views, position, or any other overture to international instititutions or recognition of legitimacy or totally irrelevant. They have lost the right completely. Israel stands shoulder to shoulder, if not behind, countries like North Korea in terms of legitimacy and recognition - totally defunct.

Did you read Scott Ritters Book on Iran when it came out - still worth a read - he is a hero.



posted on Aug, 3 2009 @ 09:17 PM
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I did not give the notion that a war would not effect the oil price. The OP stated that they want to go to war for oil and Money which is B.S. My Point was that we don’t buy oil from Iran. So if we don’t buy oil from Iran what we to gain….?
That’s right nothing! So this is not about money or oil. This is simply about a country who on T.V ,says they going to wipe Israel from the face of the planet. mmmmm but wait maybe that’s also Propaganda too? Iran is a country that cannot be trusted with these kinds of weapons. Maybe you should read a little history on Iran. During the 70’s & 80”s they were constantly the Aggressor in the middle east. I doubt anything has changed much.
If Iran is a supporter of Terrorism how long is it going to take for one of these bombs or something similar to end up in the wrong hands and on U.S soil. Its not like they like us. In fact there is nothing we can do to make them like us.
So if you think my info that Russia and China helping Iran with their Nuclear program over the years is Propaganda, then I think you need a reality check! Do some research!
One more thing, do you really think that the Iranian’s showed the IAEA everything that they were working on. The video’s on how far advance they are in their Nuclear program. Lets think about this. The Russians and Chinese are helping out to some degree, but the video ridicules how far they are in their nuclear technology. Don’t you think there is something Amiss from what the IAEA saw vs where Iran really are? . I would think so ! But then again , maybe its only Propaganda that Russia and china have Nukes or the Know how!



posted on Aug, 3 2009 @ 09:24 PM
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I would suggest you read the whole story before you comment....Here's one of my points ..

The U.S Don't buy oil from Iran .....Then you point out in your post that i said we buy from Iran. Read properly - No wonder you don't understand what i posted.

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posted on Aug, 3 2009 @ 09:45 PM
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To once again get my point across, the labeling above my link is the title of the article so I am not quite sure where these posts are coming from. I did not twist anything, Reuters did (and that was the whole point of my original post). I have followed Iran for three to four years now and specifically joined ATS for geopolitical information so if we could get back on track I think the topic is important enough to continue with a productive thread.



posted on Aug, 3 2009 @ 09:46 PM
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In theory I think its good work,

But Iran just aren’t the backwards type of country like Iraq or Syria.

I mean, we have detailed evidence of Pakistan's Bomb maker selling information and instructions to Iran.
We have Iranian officials and scientists present and North Korea's tests.
The concept of making a bomb, back in the 40's was difficult and quite hard to achieve, but that’s due mainly to the technology back then.
I think now, 2009 technology has come so far that making a bomb is quite plausible for nations who aren’t world superpowers

It may be a crude device.. but remember, it was a crude device that demolished Hiroshima.

Iran is a massive, massive piece of real-estate, to believe we know all there factories, laboratories, underground facilities is quite arrogant.

The world has been wrong so many times when it came to predicting nations nuclear activities.

Cuba for example, we believed the weapons were not many, and weren’t operational. As it turned out some decades later we now know there were many more weapons, and they were very ready and able.

Cuba was just across the pond, Iran is a totally different kettle.

I think, personally, Iran have a very crude device. And that they are working on making a more technically advanced device. They have the skills, they have Pakistani and North Korean designs and they have the scientific knowledge.

They would never build one to use as an offensive weapon.
You get the bomb to be sure you wont be needlessly attacked.

Persians are incredibly smart and savvy.

Example,



Harvard University and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology both publish articles about the advancements Iran makes in regards to Stem Cell research and cloning.

www.bioedge.org...


Wednesday, 22 April 2009
Iran is becoming a stem cell powerhouse, even though its scientists have to obtain some of their equipment on the black market because of political and economical sanctions. According to a recent survey of Iranian stem cell science published by two researchers at Harvard University and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, scientists at theRoyan Institute have cloned a sheep, developed stem cell lines and differentiated them into pancreatic, heart and liver cells.



Iran also have the ability to enter space, and have a 10year programme to put a man into space

www.msnbc.msn.com...


TEHRAN, Iran - Iran launched a research rocket and unveiled its first major space centre, state television reported Monday, the latest steps in a program many fear may be cover to more fully develop its military ballistic missiles.






But, we're to believe they don’t have the technological know how to create a crude device like Fat man? The US built fat man before stem cell research and space. Iran are achieving space and stem cell research, yet aren’t able to build fat man?




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