Atheism & Theism: Menaces to Society, page 1

Originally posted by Skyfloating
The perpetrators are never the moderate (=friendly) but the "explicit atheists", militant atheists and the religiously fanatic, the fundamentalist bigot. Both present a very real danger to common sense, ethical values, spirituality and humanities progress. Both begin as infantile and divisive rants at lectures and now on internet-forums and build momentum to cause hatred, destruction and stupidity on societal levels.

Same could be said about any belief or non-belief. My last thread i commented on was about a father who refused medical aid for his dying daughter, choosing instead to pray. She died. This was lacking in common sense, spirituality and humanitarian progress.

This thread could apply to anyone, not just 'militant atheists'. I agree in the sense that some of my friends disbelieve in God just to be 'different', but with me this isn't the case. I have truly thought long and hard about the universe and have ultimately realised that a God does not exist. Too many fallen religions prove this.

* Militant atheists focus on the very worst in Religion in order to "prove" their point. However, belief in a Supreme Creative Force does not automatically entail being a jihadist, suicide bomber, bigot or even having a religious dogma. The atmosphere has become so charged that when one questions the atheist agenda one is dismissed as a "religious nutcase". This is blatantly false. Putting the spiritually minded person in the same category as a suicide bomber (for example) is a distortion of reality, perpetrated by those who would like to consider themselves "critical thinkers".

Agreed. But when a religious community refuses to seperate the black sheep from their midst then they will all get tarred with the same brush. This has occured many times amongst paedophile priests, radical muslims, etc etc etc.

Also bear in mind that many atheists may have been brought up in a heavily religious household, so they have had first hand experience of the wrongs and rights of religion.

You are also assuming that an atheist cannot be spiritual. Belief in a soul is completely different to a belief in God. Seperating the spiritually minded from the religious or non religious is itself a distortion of reality. It doesn't matter what your beliefs are, you can be a spiritual buddhist or a spiritual atheist.

* A-theism has nothing to do with "free thought" as it is re-active rather than pro-active. The scope is narrowed to being anti-something rather than visionary. So without theism there would be no a-theism. A-theism is nothing more than a by-product of theism.

So a re-active state of mind has no free thought? How on earth did you decide this? Seperating yourself from thousands of years of control and limitations does not mean you cannot think for yourself.

* Psychologically, the fruits of atheism are moral relativism, apathy, non-accountability. Every religion has elements of accountability. In Hinduism its called Karma. In Christianity one is accountable to God. Without accountability it does not matter whether you go on a killing spree or not. The most atheistic country in the world is North Korea. The results of their atheist "Juche Ideology" are poverty, mass-starvation and blandness.

A half sided arguement. One that doesn't include the politics of man. One of the most religious places on the planet is Sierra Leone and the results of such a place includes mass starvation, mass murder, terrorism, infanticide and poverty.

What about Africa? Egypt? Afghanistan? Iraq? All these places have devout believers and it doesn't take a genius to figure out the problems there.

Also the idea that losing a religion effectively removes accountability is nonsense. I don't follow any religion, yet i truly believe in the rights of everyone, i even believe in karma... Yet i openly speak out against religion or at least some of them. So far i have not (to my knowledge) engaged in a killing spree. Neither have many of my atheist friends.

Of course atheism now uses the ideal of "ethics" as a cop-out, but without accountability there are no natural consequences of careless behavior.

A very, very shallow judgment and does little to back up your point.

* Militant atheists try to piggyback on science and the great things it has given to society. But it is not atheists such as Karl Marx who have made our world a better place, its science. Most of the great names of science...Galileo, Copernicus, Newton, Einstein, DaVinci, Max Planck, Edison, C.G. Jung, Freud were deeply religious and spiritual people. Since 10-20 years academia has been somewhat infiltrated by atheism, which is why the amount of great scientists universities bring forth has plummeted. Greatness and Creativity nowadays mostly comes from business-people, most of which are religious or spiritual themselves (e.g. Bill Gates). Greatness cannot come from a mind poised to defeat someone rather than be creative.

But again, you are tarring all athiests who have a strong dislike of religion with the same brush and also ignoring the idea that religion was of a more common stance in the days of Copernicus, Galileo and even Newton.

Not all atheists 'follow' the ideas of Karl Marx. Even the strongest militant atheists has their own opinion. It's a little thing called individuality.

* Atheists have tried to polarize "Evolution vs. Creationism", which is a false dichotomy. Even the dim-witted recognize that they are not mutually exclusive but can easily be one and the same. Evolution can easily be a tool of Creation for example. The endless discussion on "this or that?" is partially promoted by the atheists.

And the other half of the arguement has the backing of the devoutly religious. Again this arguement is devoid of a true point simply due to you ignoring the other half.

* The mind of the atheist is infantile in that it makes conclusive statements about the nature of reality from the perspective of being a tiny body-mind in an outrageously vast universe. The sheer idiocy and arrogance of this is awesome. Neither is the attitude of "what we perceive is real, what we do not perceive is unreal" supported by science.

The sheer arrogance of that statement is unbelievable.

* The mind of the activist-atheist is infantile in that it thinks that when it likes the color red it has to decry the color blue. Rather than simply saying "I dont believe in God" and allowing others to believe whatever they want, he has to go out and shove his agenda down others throats.

Try and find ONE thread where i have done such a thing. I bet you'll come back with many quotes of my self saying: 'I really don't mind what people believe in, as long as they don't shove it down MY throat'

The menace to soiety begins when this agenda is fed to schoolchildren, universities and mass-media in the guise of "critical thinking" and endorsed by wildly popular "scientists" such as Richard Dawkins (author of the book "The God Delusion").

Exactly the same could be said about school children being force fed the bible, Koran or anything else from a young and manipulative age. I think your problem lies in the education system and not in fact the atheist 'agenda'. Immerse anyone in any kind of overwhelming belief system and you will find problems.

Left to its own, without being exposed, humanity will embrace atheism as the friendly savior from religious-fanaticism, thereby spilling the baby with the bathwater. And if "religious" fanatics are the only ones opposing them, their case will be strengthened. Militant and expansionist atheism needs to be countered with reason and logic, not bible verses.

Agreed. First sensible thing you've said. But you can apply that to the overtly religious too.

Anyone in awe of the gift of life and the beauty of the Universe, anyone who knows there is more to life than the senses see, rejects atheism.

Silliest thing you've said so far. Another fail.

I believe there a a billion undiscovered wonders of the universe. I ponder them on a daily basis and do you know what.... They are truly more magnificent to me, because i don't believe a higher being created them. I am truly in awe of life and i don't need a book to pretend or guess as to what has created the beautiful mountains or breath taking wonders of earth or the universe.

You seem to be of the belief that anyone who rejects the idea of god in the strongest possible way is somehow morally weak, shallow minded, unthinking and devoid of spirituality.

You seem to believe that being anti-religious is a bad thing.