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posted on Aug, 3 2009 @ 07:41 PM
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Very interesting replies. Thanks for the great discussion.
Before I answer I just want to make a few observances. Most replies are from a Western point of view. In order to understand the enemy one has to think like the enemy.
Islam masterminds aren't going to plan an event around American timelines, events or numbers. Islam masterminds will plan events according to their beliefs.
First answer Quran 9:11 doesn't really apply because the whole Quran is about killing Christians and Jews along with other violent behavior. And planning an attack isn't based on something so simple.

Instead consider the mindset of Islam is to kill Christians and Jews. Islam believes there is only one path. Tradition runs deep and is not Western in Islam. The goal of Islam is to have one unified muslim planet. Therefore, planning and picking dates is done years in advance. I'll get into the 7 phase plan in another thread that spans to 2020.
Anyway, the reason for 911 was because it is a Coptic Christian holiday. If you notice the Copts in Egypt now, Neda Soltan, and Christians in Pak have all been set up for slaughter in the past months. Think Islam mindset. Then we can predict the next date of attack... instead of looking at Western numerology, emergency numbers, and symbols. Western thinking is not what muslims do.
Get it?
Wanna know the 7 phase plan?




posted on Aug, 3 2009 @ 08:59 PM
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Originally posted by JJay55
Wanna know the 7 phase plan?


Yes please.



posted on Aug, 3 2009 @ 09:24 PM
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Stage 1 Awakening! 2000-2003
Islam, to dominate by 2020
2000 – 2003 Awakening!
“strike at the head of the serpent and encourage it to behave chaotically”
9/11, embassies, Cole
U.S. drawn back to Muslim lands – closer and easier targets. Removal of Hussein, who would’ve been the greatest asset in fighting Islamic terrorists
Message heard everywhere Stage 1 successful

Stage 2 Opening Eyes! 2003 - 2006
Slaying of Shias, (Hindus, Buddhists) and portrayal of West as anti-Islam, Visa restrictions, etc
War with Israel. Israeli soldier kidnapped to provoke war in Lebanon, Gaza etc. Hamas from Gaza, Hizbullah from Lebanon
Electronic jihad – give answers & ideas to those who have learned enough at their local mosques

Stage 3 Rising and Standing Up
2007 - 2010
Lebanon to break apart, Sunnis, Shias, Druze, Maronites to take sides with or against Syria and each other
Syria to be overtaken by Sunnis, removal of Assad. Russia supplying arms

Stage 4 – Collapse of hated Muslim states 2010 - 2013
Burn Arab oil, weaken Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE. Fuel shortages in West
Use gold rather than dollars. Dollar value to fall
Leaves Israel to fend for itself. Next Yom Kippur war

Stage 5 Declaration of Islamic State 2013 - 2016
West weakened
Sunnis (al-Qaeda enter Iran)

Stage 6 Total Confrontation 2016 - 2020
published other places but this analysis is from here:
www.centerforstrategicanalysis.org...

The der spiegle article says that this information was gleaned from Saddams computer as well as some collected from AQ sites. Remember, this is Islam's (AQ) plan. And so far they are right on schedule. If this continues then we face total confrontation before 2020. As in Islamic tradition they strike and give their enemy 10 years to prepare. It's almost 10 years past 911 so the line in the sand is drawn and waiting for us to arm ourselves.

It's important that the American public become educated about this threat because the MSM and US government is avoiding public panic and only warning people to prep for emergency. Once this plan launches into the next phase it will become more dangerous.



posted on Aug, 3 2009 @ 10:17 PM
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posted by JJay55

The der spiegle article says that this information was gleaned from Saddams computer as well as some collected from AQ sites. Remember, this is Islam's (AQ) plan. And so far they are right on schedule. If this continues then we face total confrontation before 2020. As in Islamic tradition they strike and give their enemy 10 years to prepare. It's almost 10 years past 911 so the line in the sand is drawn and waiting for us to arm ourselves.



Al Qaeda is right on schedule and ready to conquer the world for Islam by 2020?

Should we really believe that Islam which you claim is poised to take over the world by the year 2020, would name their primary war machine after a toilet seat? They have no planes and no tanks and no destroyers and no aircraft carriers. They have no heavy lift rockets and no nukes to put on the rockets.

They have no leader because Usama bin Laden died way back in December 2001, and besides the US decided that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was the real Super Duper Genius Mastermind and Master Demolition Specialist of 9-11 and leader of Al Qaeda, and that Toilet Seat leader is in the hoosegow.



"Ana raicha Al Qaeda" is colloquial for "I'm going to the toilet". A very common and widespread use of the word "Al-Qaeda" in different Arab countries in the public language is for the toilet bowl. This name comes from the Arabic verb "Qa'ada" which mean "to sit", pertinently, on the "Toilet Bowl". In most Arabs homes there are two kinds of toilets: "Al-Qaeda" also called the "Hamam Franji" or foreign toilet, and "Hamam Arabi" or "Arab toilet" which is a hole in the ground. Lest we forget it, the potty used by small children is called "Ma Qa'adia" or "Little Qaeda".

whatreallyhappened.com...


As far as I can tell, most of the real Toilet Seat members are MOSSAD and British MI5 and CIA agents, and which one of those three are going to conquer the world for Islam?

Isn't 2020 a TV show and are they in on taking over the world for Islam too?



posted on Aug, 3 2009 @ 10:29 PM
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Originally posted by SPreston


In most Arabs homes there are two kinds of toilets: "Al-Qaeda" also called the "Hamam Franji" or foreign toilet, and "Hamam Arabi" or "Arab toilet" which is a hole in the ground. Lest we forget it, the potty used by small children is called "Ma Qa'adia" or "Little Qaeda".


So funny



posted on Aug, 3 2009 @ 11:49 PM
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I also have a copy of the FEMA training manual - it was our course text
for anti-terrorism class I took in March 2001. Our instructor pointed
out that since WTC had been attacked before it was logical to assume
would try again


Yet...

You support the official story.

The official story says we had no idea this would happen...

Draw your own conclusion.



posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 06:56 AM
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Originally posted by SPreston
Should we really believe that Islam which you claim is poised to take over the world by the year 2020, would name their primary war machine after a toilet seat? They have no planes and no tanks and no destroyers and no aircraft carriers. They have no heavy lift rockets and no nukes to put on the rockets.

AQ is exactly on schedule. They have accomplished exactly what they planned to do. Call them all the names you want, they are determined and have a distinct mission.
You are correct, they have no rockets, yet the WTC are tumbled. Just because the West has defensive military weapons doesn't mean that anyone can't challenge us.
AQ has a population of obligated followers that tips the billion mark. These people are determined that the world must take the correct path.

Again, if we continue to think only in Western terms and refuse to understand and dismiss this enemy AQ... then we will be in danger. I won't take that risk.



posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 07:03 AM
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Originally posted by jprophet420

I also have a copy of the FEMA training manual - it was our course text
for anti-terrorism class I took in March 2001. Our instructor pointed
out that since WTC had been attacked before it was logical to assume
would try again


Yet...

You support the official story.

The official story says we had no idea this would happen...

Draw your own conclusion.

WTC was attacked in 1993 by the Santa Claus blind shiek. His fat lawyer was a go-between from his cell. Yes, US intelligence knew we would be targeted again, it was just a matter of time.
But the significiance of 911 is that targets will be hit until they are destroyed... including the entire United States of America.

It's also interesting to note. There are different cells that have different missions in the US. They will carry out dry runs until the word is given in 2010. Meanwhile we will continue to see train derailments in the Northeast, wildfires in the California area and industrial plant explosions in NC area. Further, the increase in unexplained tanker truck explosions on our nations roads have increased and our intelligence agencies aren't putting these dots together or just not panicking the public.
We are in a defensive position.

Red alert, we are attacked with WMD.
Orange alert, we have defined intelligence.
Yellow alert, we know they are out there.
We are not managing to fend off attacks at this point, we are just waiting to put out fires. Reactive.



posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 07:59 AM
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My instructor was voicing his opinion - telling us to be vigilant

I suppose you could accuse Rick Rescorla of the same thing . He was
security director at Morgan Stanley - believed that after 1993 bombing
terrorists would try again. This time from the air. Since couldn't stop
such an attack did what he could to prepare for it, Scheduled evacuation
drills to clear building. On 9/11 ordered every out - we are talking
thousands of people in South tower and at WTC7. Got almost every
out of building, including several people I know, was killed with his
security staff while checking building....




A truly chilling example of foreshadowing, The Voice of the Prophet is an interview with Rick Rescorla, the head of security for the investment firm Morgan Stanley Dean Witter. Filmed on the 44th floor of the World Trade Center in 1998, Rescorla details the future of warfare long before Osama bin Laden became America's Most Wanted.

A retired Army colonel, veteran of combat in three wars and a survivor of the 1993 bombing of the twin towers (in which he saved the lives of hundreds of Morgan Stanley employees), Rescorla was killed in the WTC attacks of September 11, 2001. In this interview, Rescorla all but predicts the events that lead up to the September 11 attack and the war on terrorism that followed.



posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 08:08 AM
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Further, the increase in unexplained tanker truck explosions on our nations roads have increased and our intelligence agencies aren't putting these dots together or just not panicking the public.


So tanker trucks accidents are terrorism?

Just had one little while ago on interstate Highway which runs right through
my town. Tank Truck (loaded with alcohol) went off highway and rolled -
fortunately no fire this time. As member of FD would have bee there
putting (or trying to) fire out.

There is old saying - When given choice between conspiracy and
stupidity. Stupidity always wins.

In our case, no conspiracy, just some stupid driver who cut truck off ....



posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 08:35 AM
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Originally posted by thedman



Further, the increase in unexplained tanker truck explosions on our nations roads have increased and our intelligence agencies aren't putting these dots together or just not panicking the public.


So tanker trucks accidents are terrorism?

Just had one little while ago on interstate Highway which runs right through
my town. Tank Truck (loaded with alcohol) went off highway and rolled -
fortunately no fire this time. As member of FD would have bee there
putting (or trying to) fire out.

There is old saying - When given choice between conspiracy and
stupidity. Stupidity always wins.

In our case, no conspiracy, just some stupid driver who cut truck off ....

The stats are on the gov sites. But still departments don't communicate between each other.
Many cases of tanker drivers being cut off. Some witnesses say the cut offs seemed deliberate. There has always been truck hijacking in the US but those were usually US organized crimes. Tanker truck explosions are increasing. Point is that there are different cells in the US with different missions. Some are experts with fire, some with water resource poisoning, some with train derailments. Then there are the masterminds who plan things like chemicals in ac systems in tall buildings and keep their cells sleeping until the right moment as they coordinate with others around the country.
All have knowledge of how to recruit apologists, and lots of time to study their targets. These aren't dumb, poor thugs. AQ is very smart and very organized. Their drive is theology and they are backed by 57 OIC countries.

The US government is overwhelmed just as we were in Katrina, also a factor that plays to AQ's favor.



posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 08:40 AM
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Originally posted by thedman
reply to post by jprophet420
 


My instructor was voicing his opinion - telling us to be vigilant

I suppose you could accuse Rick Rescorla of the same thing . He was
security director at Morgan Stanley - believed that after 1993 bombing
terrorists would try again. This time from the air. Since couldn't stop
such an attack did what he could to prepare for it, Scheduled evacuation
drills to clear building. On 9/11 ordered every out - we are talking
thousands of people in South tower and at WTC7. Got almost every
out of building, including several people I know, was killed with his
security staff while checking building....




A truly chilling example of foreshadowing, The Voice of the Prophet is an interview with Rick Rescorla, the head of security for the investment firm Morgan Stanley Dean Witter. Filmed on the 44th floor of the World Trade Center in 1998, Rescorla details the future of warfare long before Osama bin Laden became America's Most Wanted.

A retired Army colonel, veteran of combat in three wars and a survivor of the 1993 bombing of the twin towers (in which he saved the lives of hundreds of Morgan Stanley employees), Rescorla was killed in the WTC attacks of September 11, 2001. In this interview, Rescorla all but predicts the events that lead up to the September 11 attack and the war on terrorism that followed.


It's not too hard to see this big force coming. The information is out there. It's just a matter of sifting through conspiracy and real facts. Conspiracy is usually only a tiny piece of a bigger picture and with a little effort the truth can be uncovered. But it's also important to sift through conspiracy generated by fear so we can face the facts.

AQ has announced their plan. They are carrying out their plans. So far they have not been stopped. If we know they will attack again in 2010-2013 then we do indeed have to be vililant.



posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 09:10 AM
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The increase in tanker accidents is result of increased population and
more crowded highways. Crowded highways = more accidents

I have not heard of any of these accidents being linked to terrorism

Know number of fairly high ranking fire fighters in large cities - they
have not indicated any increase in accidents

I live in NJ - have several large petroleum/petro chemical refineries
in area. In fact used to work for one. Nothing here

Also number of websites where fire fighters/buffs post pictures and video
of accidents - again nothing



posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 09:23 AM
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posted by SPreston
Should we really believe that Islam which you claim is poised to take over the world by the year 2020, would name their primary war machine after a toilet seat? They have no planes and no tanks and no destroyers and no aircraft carriers. They have no heavy lift rockets and no nukes to put on the rockets.


posted by JJay55
AQ is exactly on schedule.

AQ has a population of obligated followers that tips the billion mark. These people are determined that the world must take the correct path.



The toilet seat has a billion members all willing to strap on personal explosive devices? How are they going to get here to America or to Europe or to Japan or to Australia with their personal explosive devices?

Swimming camels? Hot air balloons?

Well the hot air over Washington will push them back out over the Atlantic won't it?

What is the toilet seat going to do when they can't get their way with the world they are conquering by 2020, and can't get anywhere with their plans?

Stand out on the desert, hold their breaths until they turn blue, and pull one billion ignition cords?


posted by JJay55
WTC was attacked in 1993 by the Santa Claus blind shiek.


No. The WTC in 1993 was attacked by the FBI assisting a bunch of CIA stooges.

Emad Salem the FBI informant disobeyed orders, and secretly taped hundreds of hours of meetings with the FBI, proving that the FBI wanted real explosives planted in the WTC, killing 6 innocent people. Later the FBI and the CIA admitted culpability in the 93 WTC bombing.





Emad Salem, an undercover agent who ends up being the key government witness in the trial against the bomber. Salem testifies that the FBI knew about the attack beforehand and told him they would thwart it by substituting a harmless powder for the explosives. However, this plan was called off by an FBI supervisor, and the bombing was not stopped.[New York Times, 10/28/93]

Why did the FBI seemingly let the terrorists go ahead with the bombing? Several of the bombers were trained by the CIA to fight in the Afghan war, and the CIA later concludes in internal documents that it was "partly culpable" for this bombing attempt.

www.youtube.com...


Incidentally the CIA originally named the group of CIA sponsored mujaheddin fighting the Russians in Afghanistan Al Qaeda taken from the base (or toilet seat) meaning the large list of mujaheddin fighters.

So now we have the US CIA naming the Islamic primary war machine dedicated to taking over the world by 2020, comprised of obligated followers that tip the billion mark, and you expect us to buy this nonsense?

Smoke and mirrors. Grab your anti-anthrax duct-tape rolls, slide under the bed, and it will all go away. Islam is not taking over the world nor do they want to.

Of course International Corporate Capitalism/Facism/Nazism/ Communism - well now that is a different story. You know.

The New World Order crowd of super-rich greedy bloodthirsty billionaire elitists.



posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 10:15 AM
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Oh Gawd, anti-Americanism at it's finest. Great. Spare the CIA WTC connection... it's old and boring. If you were privledged to information you would find that indeed many undercover agents lost their lives. Same in Oklahoma with John Doe.

Anyway, hazmat incidents are a nice tool to follow a trail. Many professionals in government don't use their tools at hand. It's very easy to see the scatter of rats from Raleigh NC who are responsible for the NC industrial explosions of the past two years. The heat is on with the recent arrests, so the criminals scatter. Now this incident in Boston area:
Some 60 fire investigators and hazmat crews spent the night trying to figure out exactly what triggered the Tier 4 hazmat situation that sickened more than 100 workers and emergency responders at the ABC Disposal plant at 1245 Shawmut Ave. on Monday morning.

Know why Boston? One of the Islamic leaders in charge of sleepers is stationed there and wants the rats to keep up their practices.
I hate freeking rats. Know how Orkin exterminators kill rats?

Another interesting fact to add. A few years ago MS13 was being recruited by AQ. Their initiation was to kill law enforcement officers. This came after a major border smuggling effort across the Mexican border. MS13 did not pass the test then but they are still in position to be a force to team with AQ. Many efforts are being made by US Homeland Security to keep these 2 apart. We have great gang units here.



posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 10:30 AM
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Originally posted by thedman
The increase in tanker accidents is result of increased population and
more crowded highways. Crowded highways = more accidents

I have not heard of any of these accidents being linked to terrorism

Know number of fairly high ranking fire fighters in large cities - they
have not indicated any increase in accidents

I live in NJ - have several large petroleum/petro chemical refineries
in area. In fact used to work for one. Nothing here

Also number of websites where fire fighters/buffs post pictures and video
of accidents - again nothing


Terrorists don't claim responsibility so you won't hear about it. Of course I know firefighters too that aren't informed. Look at the reports, reason for accident: undetermined. Count the numbers.

Infiltration is well known. But the government is too busy to count those numbers also. Read Steve Emerson on Infilration or Robert Spencer.



posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 10:51 AM
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Originally posted by JJay55
The heat is on with the recent arrests, so the criminals scatter. Now this incident in Boston area:
Some 60 fire investigators and hazmat crews spent the night trying to figure out exactly what triggered the Tier 4 hazmat situation that sickened more than 100 workers and emergency responders at the ABC Disposal plant at 1245 Shawmut Ave. on Monday morning.


Here is a the thread I started with the Boston explosion

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I was thinking the same thing as I was writing it.

Just remember terrorist attacks don't have to kill thousands and do millions of dollars worth of damage.

Terrorist attacks are by their very definition designed to cause "terror" and that can be done a little at a time.

Bin Laden and his crew ( a large crew at that ) MUST be stopped!

Dorian Soran



posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 10:55 AM
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Bin Laden and his crew ( a large crew at that ) MUST be stopped!
Dorian Soran

bin Laden is dead. But the nature lives on indeed.
Islamic terrorism will exist until the whole planet is converted to Islam. Very simple. We must change our way of thinking and learn about this enemy as it gets closer because the threat is out there and untimately we are responsible for our own personal security! We cannot be dependent on the government to save or rescue us.



posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 01:24 PM
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JJay55: The der spiegle article says that this information was gleaned from Saddams computer as well as some collected from AQ sites.


And guess who captured that computer and intel?

Could we say it was retrieved by an unbiased, credible objective source known for spreading truth wherever it goes?



posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 01:28 PM
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Originally posted by Psynarchist



JJay55: The der spiegle article says that this information was gleaned from Saddams computer as well as some collected from AQ sites.


And guess who captured that computer and intel?

Could we say it was retrieved by an unbiased, credible objective source known for spreading truth wherever it goes?

Well considering that Saddam wasn't taken from the spiderhole on the date that we claimed... you can tell by the date palm blossoms. Of course for security reasons only certain people know the facts, that's just how it goes.
I didn't write the article, it was written by a Jordanian journalist and confirmed by US analysist... in any MSM that is credible. The fact that Islam has carried out the first 4 phases according to this plan is quite obvious so to suggest otherwise is kinda... silly.

There's a point where you don't believe anything and you can find the truth and understand the sources. That's also the point when there will be those left behind in their confusion.






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