Hawaii refuses to verify president's online COLBs

reply to post by octotom


If you and your wife are citizens and your son is born oveseas, say Germany and you are military, son is still a "natural born citizen" as BOTH parents are citizens. In Barry's case, his mom was a citizen, but Daddy was not. Oh yeah, Grandma said she was there when Barry was born in Kenya.

I wouldn't even speak to those crap mongers over at that hack rag.

sheesh, who is giving world crap daily cred anyway? how idiotic would you have to be to buy into pretty much anything in that stupid rag.

I mean come on, moon angels and batboy? lol

reply to post by debunky

9/11 truth i guess is a matter of opinion. I am by no means sympathetic to that "movement" but I think comparing them to this is a bit unfair.

You'll find there is always some excuse for why standards applied to Republicans/the right should be different tan those applied to the left. There are examples of it again and again.

Originally posted by KSPigpen


So again, does it matter where he was born?

I would really like to know the truth though.

Well I'm Canadian so I already have the socialist government in place but from what I've read to become a POTUS you yourself have to be born on American soil, forgive me if I'm wrong but that's how I understood it.

Originally posted by octotom

What will make you people believe he is a citizen?

For the final time, this isn't about his citizenship status. Maybe if you spent more time research the issue instead of ridiculing those who have researched it, you'd understand that.


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what's the problem then? If he is a citizen then why is his presidency void?

The constitution states that you don't have to ONLY be a natural born citizen? Unless this theory has evolved into something differently then I would imagine this excerpt would prove you wrong.

"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

I see him meeting this criteria... Am I missing something?

And your not a jerk, I don't know why i typed that.

reply to post by Wimbly


Absolutely and double standards are apparent everywhere, my job for one. My point is if something has no evidence of being fact why is it "news". There were many things pointing to bush's fraud in the election along with the other subjects you talked about. To my knowledge there's nothing to discuss about Obama's birth place except for a bunch of forgeries.

reply to post by j2000


Um you must have missed where I put State department or the FED. Far as I know all taxed jobs have to go through this venue. His credibility has already been validated, your not his boss so like I said you can't ask for crap or anyone else who wants that information.

reply to post by Stormdancer777


What would happen would be a long drawn out impeachment trial, We all know Obama would not do the honorable thing and resign like nixon did.

That would make Biden POTUS and if by some chance he couldnt take the seat, 3rd in line is (quivers at the thought) The speaker of the house....Nancy Palosi *puke* and 4th in line would be Mrs. Clinton

You dont have to worry about Mccain and Palin getting in until at least 2012 lol

Originally posted by downtown436
reply to post by KSPigpen

 

It says parent(s). That means both his mother and father must be U.S. citizens. That is the requirement to be president.

the (s) indicates that it can be parent OR parents

Just my 2-cents

[edit on 3-8-2009 by Aggie Man]

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
reply to post by downtown436

 

Well that's only partially true.

My mother can be from Mexico and my Father from the US, but I HAVE to be BORN in the US in order to be eligible for President.

Natural Born Citizens are the only ones entitled to such an office, and Obama apparently isn't.

As for this issue as a whole, it will never be solved, because Obama is not required by law to show us his BC and has signed Executive Orders that say so.

One more day in American Politics.

~Keeper

I beg to differ...just do some research and you will easily find that you are WRONG.

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

* Anyone born inside the United States *
* Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
* Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
* Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
* Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
* A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

www.usconstitution.net...

reply to post by Bugsmasher


No, he's not natural born. There are two qualifications to be natural born.

1. Be born to two American citizens, that have no alligience to another country.
   
2. Be born within the borders of the United States.
   

My son wasn't born in the US or on a military base, which doesn't make him "natural born". But, say he was born on a military base. In my situation, he still wouldn't be a natural born citizen because my wife is a dual American-German citizen. That means that she has an "allegiance" to another a government other than the United States.

reply to post by WinoBot

what's the problem then? If he is a citizen then why is his presidency void?

It's an issue because, if Obama was born in another country, it's impossible for him to be natural born because he wasn't born within the borders of the United States.

Originally posted by octotom
reply to post by WinoBot

 

what's the problem then? If he is a citizen then why is his presidency void?

It's an issue because, if Obama was born in another country, it's impossible for him to be natural born because he wasn't born within the borders of the United States.

That doesn't negate his presidency according to the constitution which states "be a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States."

Do I have a wrong excerpt from the constitution?

reply to post by Aggie Man

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

There is a difference between a US citizen at birth and a natural born citizen. One can be a citizen by birth but not be a natural born citizen.

reply to post by WinoBot


The "or a citizen of the United States" part applied only to the founding fathers. Because, with the definition of natural born, it was impossible for them to be natural born. That's because, a natural born citizen has no connection to a foreign government [in addition to being born within the borders of a country]. Though the founders were born in the United States [or what would be], they were born British citizens, with allegiance to the crown.

So, basically, the founders "grandfathered" themselves in, in case they had presidential aspirations, saying that only those who are natural born, or those who are citizens of the United States at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, can be president. They removed the natural born requirement for those that were alive at the time.

I hope I explained it good enough!

I am just curious... Why are we discussing everything but the original news report this thread was opened under? These arguments going back and forth are informative and all, but are failing to address the original news article.

Originally posted by octotom
reply to post by Aggie Man[/url]

 

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

There is a difference between a US citizen at birth and a natural born citizen. One can be a citizen by birth but not be a natural born citizen.

The Constitution states that one must be a “natural born citizen” to be President. The U.S. Supreme Court has never issued a ruling defining what “natural born citizen” means in this context. However it is generally agreed that it means the individual is a citizen by right of birth, not through a naturalization process. I have not heard anyone dispute that Barack Obama’s mother was an American citizen. And that alone makes him a U.S. citizen by birth, not naturalization. In other words he would be a natural born citizen (a citizen from the moment of birth) even if he hadn’t been born in Hawaii. This is directly from the U.S. Department of State web site:
travel.state.gov...

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reply to post by Aggie Man

I have not heard anyone dispute that Barack Obama’s mother was an American citizen.

I've never heard anyone dispute Obama's mom's citizenship status either, but there is a question as to whether she was old enough to pass her citizenship onto Obama. Due to citizenship laws at the time.

And that alone makes him a U.S. citizen by birth, not naturalization. In other words he would be a natural born citizen (a citizen from the moment of birth) even if he hadn’t been born in Hawaii.

There is a difference between a natural born citizen, and a citizen by birth. "Natural born" has nothing to do with naturalization either. The State Department doesn't address whether or not a child is a natural born citizen, just whether or not they acquire US citizenship at birth. It is possible to be a US citizen by birth, but not a natural born one. My son and wife are examples of this.

reply to post by octotom


I'm not sure what you are trying to get at, BUT:

1) Obama was born in Hawaii, therefore he is eligible to be POTUS;

2) If he was born ANY WHERE ELSE in the world (which he was not), then he still qualifies for POTUS because his mother was a US citizen; therefore he is a US citizen by birthright...therefore, guaranteed all the same rights and privileges as any other citizen born on US soil...INCLUDING eligibility for POTUS.

What argument are you trying to make here?

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reply to post by Aggie Man


The natural born citizen clause is more than just citizenship. He has to have been born in the United States.

1) Obama was born in Hawaii, therefore he is eligible to be POTUS;

This is what people are disputing. There are some that believe that he was born in Kenya. There are also those who aren't satisfied with the COLB that he gave out because, that is obtainable by anyone, even if they weren't born in Hawai'i.

2) If he was born ANY WHERE ELSE in the world (which he was not), then he still qualifies for POTUS because his mother was a US citizen; therefore he is a US citizen by birth...therefore, guaranteed all the same rights and privileges as any other citizen born on US soil...INCLUDING eligibility for POTUS.

See, that's wrong. If Obama was born in another country, he wouldn't be a natural born citizen and would not be eligible to be POTUS. He would be a citizen like you and I, have all the same rights as you and I, but not be eligible because he wouldn't have been a natural born citizen.

What argument are you trying to make here?

The issue is more than just citizenship. It's where he was born. No one is denying that he is a citizen. But, if he was born in another country, he can't be the POTUS, just like any other American citizen who is born overseas, outside of a military base.