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Photo - Obama's Kenyan Birth Certificate (political fraud)

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posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 01:50 PM
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First of all that post is off topic but ill address it and move on.
You can claim Florida and that Bush rigged the elections.

Hmm heres an idea take a look at Obama and Acorn and their involvement in his campaign...now look at the fraud and legal troubles they are having because of the fake registrations they are being watched for..

Connect the dots with him and Acorn and their involvement in the elections and its not a far stretch to see that its quite possible mr.obama did the same thing you accuse mr.bush for...deny ignorance do some research on those two connections it is disturbing..

As for the Birth certificate heres my viewpoint.

People can say its a fake and go on an on about it all they want. My argument would be the same argument the liberals use to prove that the CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH is genuine...Raised seal...proper signatures etc etc..this document seems to have the same thing.

If you sit here and tell me the CLB is authentic based on all your arguments FOR it ...then the same arguments can be made for this birth certificate....and keep in mind this is supposedly the BIRTH CERTIFICATE or a copy there of......not a Certificate of Live Birth.

Looks to me like if he wants to avoid a firestorm he better just release his real birth certificate that Hawaii supposedly has and shut down the fiasco.....

That is unless........we already have it




posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 01:51 PM
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Originally posted by kozmo

Originally posted by gemstone
It's amazing how hard the birthers are going to work trying to make this document real and the document from Hawaii a forgery... Clearly an agenda is at work here...

I hope you all worked this hard over the past 8 years analyzing all of the lies and deception of the Bush/Cheney administration because those 2 guys belong in jail for what they did to us...


Nice obfuscation! If you desire a thread on Bush/Cheney, might I suggest you go start one!? We are busy posting on-topic about this alleged document and attempting to discern its legitimacy. Thanks!


No mis-direction intended on my part... My point is that there is clearly a very biased agenda at work here instead of objective and un-biased investigation... Your avatar clearly shows us that...



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 01:51 PM
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Was that 2008, much could change.



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 01:51 PM
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Originally posted by Ulala
Another odd thing.

You see top LHS of the child's certificate ... it's got the price ... seven shillings and sixpence. That's £0.375 in todays decimal money, 60 US cents maybe ?

Mine states "A statutory fee for this certificate is 9d" ... mine is a copy certificate issued in 1967, my old man lost the original. 9d was nine old pennies. 12 old pennies made one shilling ... in todays terms 9d is £0.035 or maybe 5 or 6 US Cents.

So. This child's extract certificate, issued three years before mine ... costs ten times as much.

That's a bit odd. Didn't the Brits & its colonies have the same currency ?


Interesting bit, indeed. Goes to show that the devil's lurking in the details.



Nonetheless, we'll all just have to wait until the document has been authenticated one way or another. In the meantime, we can continue arguing in circles.



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 01:52 PM
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Originally posted by truthtothemasses
George Bush goes around for 8 years ...

Off topic deflection.


I personally do not care whether or not Obama was born in Kenya.

You are in the minority. Most Americans expect that their elected leaders should follow the Constitution and at least be eligible to be in the office they wish to hold.


I really don't believe the founder fathers meant it in a way you birthers are thinking anyway.

Subjective opinion.


You people aren't thinking logically.

.... coming from someone who says we should ignore the Constitution.


I don't see birthers throwing fits about all the people in our government who have dual citizenships, particularly with Israel.

Start a thread on it and see if people don't like dual citizenships for our elected officials in Washington.


Day after day I'm just amazed at the level of hypocrisy that goes on around here.

Yep. Hypocrisy thy name is truthtothemasses


Please don't bother responding Flyer's Fan, I have you on ignore.

I'll respond .. like it or not. And apparently it's 'not'.



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 01:53 PM
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Here, I'll respond for you Flyersfan so that ace detective here can place me on ignore as well!
Anyone notice that the root of ignorance is ignore?


Let's just say, truthtothemasses, that the Constitution says what it means and means what it says. There are very few ambiguities in the document. It is the law of the land and remains the law of the land. It is not up to you or anyone else to single-handedly determine where and when it is applicable - it is ALWAYS applicable!

And yes, if you were not born in the US or in one of it's territories then I'm sorry, you are not eligible to be President of the US. That is the way the law is written. Perhaps you should become a legislator and garner the required votes to change it if you do not like it.



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 01:54 PM
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Technically and legally, that Obama has an authentic kenyan B.C. or not is irrelevant. The important question is : does he have an authentic american B.C. or not ?
Of course, should he have both, that's a problem and I don't know how it could be resolved legally... I presume american laws won't recognize the validity of a kenyan official document over an american one.



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 01:55 PM
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Ok first post, I have read alot here, and been watching and I have come up with the same thing everytime, I am wondering that maybe it doesnt matter who is president, maybe TPTB want us to fight amongst ourselves and racially be motivated to divide, and be religiously motivated to divide, what we should do is join together regardless of color or religion or any other reason, join together as human beings and stop all this fighting, if you have the will to live and to be happy and aware, then put your differences aside and become brothers as we already are!



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 01:56 PM
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Perhaps you should start a thread regarding my avatar as well.
This thread is very investigative in nature. You're just upset because your messiah risks getting caught with his pants down and you don't like it. Meanwhile, the rest of us are going to continue looking into the matter whether you like it or not.



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 01:58 PM
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WND was able to obtain other birth certificates from Kenya for purposes of comparison, and the form of the documents appear to be identical.


An enlarged view of the bottom of the document

www.wnd.com...


Last week, a counterfeit document purporting to be Obama's Kenyan birth certificate made the rounds of the Internet, but was quickly determined to be fraudulent. The new document released by Taitz bears none of the obvious traits of a hoax.



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 01:58 PM
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I know that this subject touches the true patriots of this country, but who gives a damn if he was not born in America.

We are living in the 21st century..... wake up it is the century of global shared information, inter continental travel !



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 01:59 PM
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"..what does his religion have anything to do with it?..."

Nothing. Only a "natural born" US citizen may be present. A natural born citizen is such that both the father and the mother must be US citizens. Obama's father was a British citizen. Therefore, Obama is not a natural born citizen. That makes him ineligible for the office of President.

The Constitution is a contract between The People and the government. The government is in breach of contract if this were to be violated. It is up to the citizens to enforce that Constitution; for, all governments seek to amass power by taking in from the governed.



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by kozmo
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Perhaps you should start a thread regarding my avatar as well.
This thread is very investigative in nature. You're just upset because your messiah risks getting caught with his pants down and you don't like it. Meanwhile, the rest of us are going to continue looking into the matter whether you like it or not.


Yes, it seems we spend a lot of time defending our honor on these topics, yesterday was brutal for me.

I guess people don't care what our public officials are up to.

[edit on 023131p://bSunday2009 by Stormdancer777]



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 02:02 PM
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Originally posted by Ulala
So. This child's extract certificate, issued three years before mine ... costs ten times as much. That's a bit odd. Didn't the Brits & its colonies have the same currency ?

I have no idea. That's something we should check into. The money involved and the different exchange rates and costs for that time period etc etc.

I'm wondering if the transition period fluxed the money at all.
Costs of things constantly go up and down.
I'm thinking that during a transition a lot of things would be in flux
or at least unsure. It was pretty much during the birth of a country ...

This requires some deep investigation. Glad you brought it up.
I can't right now .. I've gotta go ... but someone can put it on their
'to do' list (or I'll get to it tomorrow)


Thanks you Flyers Fan, this is quite entertaining, real Sherlock Holmes stuff

As I said in my opening post ...
This should be fun!



Originally posted by redhatty
This is a certified copy of the registration of the birth certificate with the registrar's office.

True ... but I"m thinking that won't fit on a thread title.
Birth certificate was shorter. My bad ... should'a been more clear.


Originally posted by dragonridr
The bottom corner says Republic of Kenya and is dated 17 February 1964.
********Kenya was not a Republic until 12 December 1964.********

We've established that December 12, 1963 was Kenyan independence day.
We've established that December 12, 1964 was the day the Republic was official.
There is a one year transition period. It is possible that both the Coat of Arms AND the 'Republic of Kenya' was used on documents to make the transition smooth. We can't be sure. We are investigating. Please feel free to find documents from that one year time period that only have the Coat of Arms and upload to this thread. Help us verifiy/debunk.



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 02:02 PM
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"...but who gives a damn if he was not born in America..."

Only those Americans who wish to continue with Constitutional rule insist on this. Those who wish to enforce Constitutional Rule are those who understand our government, and know that the powers of the government are limited to those granted by The People. It is up to The People to enforce Constitutional rule. If the Constitution is allowed to be usurped, then the government will assume all powers. Concious people do not want to live under tyrannical rule.

Do you wish to live in a dictatorship, or do you want the pwer of the government to be limited by your will?



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 02:03 PM
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I love that his christian name on the birth certificate is Barack Hussein. This will probably end up on msnbc on rachel maddows segment about "Birthers of a Nation".



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 02:03 PM
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Originally posted by kozmo
reply to post by gemstone
 


Perhaps you should start a thread regarding my avatar as well.
This thread is very investigative in nature. You're just upset because your messiah risks getting caught with his pants down and you don't like it. Meanwhile, the rest of us are going to continue looking into the matter whether you like it or not.


He is not my messiah and I did not vote for him... Once again your pre-programmed agenda leads you to a bad assumption... But please continue... I have nothing more to add to this pointless discussion...



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 02:04 PM
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Originally posted by gemstone
My point is that there is clearly a very biased agenda at work here instead of objective and un-biased investigation...

Like what? We are verifying/debunking. We are discussing this rather rationally. Care to show us where we aren't being rational?



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 02:04 PM
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Originally posted by dragonridr


Again its a forgery im aware of the period your talking about what you are not aware of is when it took place.The bottom corner says Republic of Kenya and is dated 17 February 1964.


********Kenya was not a Republic until 12 December 1964.********


Where did you get this info?. I've only read that they got their indepedence on 12 Dec. 1963.



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 02:04 PM
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Originally posted by Monte-Carlo
I know that this subject touches the true patriots of this country, but who gives a damn if he was not born in America.

We are living in the 21st century..... wake up it is the century of global shared information, inter continental travel !



Dude, seriously...
How about reading the whole thread before posting such tripe. It has been explained ad nauseum WHY this is important. I'm not going to rehash it for you again - go read the thread!



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