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Photo - Obama's Kenyan Birth Certificate (political fraud)

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posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 07:42 PM
I truly don't know what to think. All I have is the exact same thing everyone else has, which is a metric ton of circumstancial evidence.

1. Obama has spent serious amounts of money hiding his records. It's not that he did nothing, he actively decided to hide them. WHAT is in his background that is so dangerous? I'm not even saying that it is the smoking gun of his could be *anything.*

2. The Kenyan BC is possibly fake. The Australian BC is possibly fake. The Hawaiian COLB is possibly fake. I have no background in graphic imaging, so I don't know any more about faking than the guy next door. All I know is that my education is in the field of network security and a small website like that would take next to no effort to crack and upload a fraudulent BC. The Bomford fellow himself has said he has not seen the BC on his own website lately.

3. Heap on top of that the fact that you have untold amounts of fifth-columnists pumping out fake BC after fake BC just in order to make sure "their" guy stays in office rather than the guy that is legally qualified to HOLD that office. Meanwhile you have a lawyer being called everything by a milk cow by a small element and I'm sure she's received some hate mail and possibly death threats, I'm willing to bet. I'm sure some of you would have a breakdown too!

Then you have even *more* of those fifth-columnists screaming out "THAT'S RACIST!" in every single post. Yes, Electro, I am talking to you (btw that snipe at the mods in your sig smacks of a child screaming "they're picking on me, in my opinion)...but you're not the only one. Guess what? I don't believe Obama is qualified to hold any office higher than Senator, which allows naturalized citizens. I'm racist? Stuff it in your ear. My current girlfriend is white. My last was black. I am a Spaniard by ancestry. Next lame attempt to derail an otherwise good analysis of a real issue, please.

4. The last point I have to make is about Ms. Taitz herself. She has not discredited herself nor the birther movement in any way. If some of you would read before speaking you would see that she submitted these documents to the court requesting a verification of authenticity. No different than an attorney receiving a bloody butcher knife in the mail and asking the court to find out if it's the murder weapon or not, IMHO.

It is very sad that this issue has been allowed to tear ATS apart. Rather than doing intelligent, informed, and impartial research, the thread has degenerated into name-calling, personal attacks, and downright mudslinging.

Everyone needs to step up and get back to the issue at hand.

posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 07:47 PM

Present at this meeting, she verified that the network official issued “warnings” to the personalities “to avoid any on-air discussion of the birth place, eligibility, and news accounts of litigation compelling [Barack Hussein] Obama to produce a legitimate copy of his birth certificate.” She stated that the network executive had her arrange the conference immediately following a meeting “between [the network executive] and an attorney closely associated with candidate Obama who was acting on his behalf.”

The statement of a corporate secretary for a major news network confirming the existence of a one-page inter-office memo, bearing the markings “confidential” and “not for dissemination,” addressed and distributed to news anchors and on-air talent” that specifically instructed the recipients to avoid any discussion pertaining to the Obama birth certificate controversy. The memo was written and distributed in October 2008, and specifically instructed on-air talent to “advise guests, as necessary, to refrain from citing any news story, legal proceedings, Internet ‘blogs’ or other sources that pertain to the ongoing eligibility controversy of future President Barack Obama.”

As outlined above, our Investigation has uncovered both direct and indirect evidence of threats being made against some of the nation’s top radio and television personalities, which would explain some giving this topic mere lip service. As one source interviewed during the course of this investigation stated, “I’ve got a career and family to think about.”

Although no one should be surprised over the manipulation of the news, the nature of this manipulation, and the extent of the threats against journalists, should shock even the most well grounded.

Found on Godlike

posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 07:57 PM
reply to post by netwarrior

I don't believe hes hiding his birth certificate because of where he was borne.I will say i think he is hiding something and i suspect i know what it is as well. I think the reason hes keeping the long form under raps is on it ill bet it says under race Caucasian! Think about this his mother was Caucasian And i bet when asked at that time would not have admitted his father was black (if you could say he was thats debatable as well) it was 60s and interracial couples were still fairly new. And i think that by releasing this birth certificate it would shatter an image of himself.Same reason was reluctant to talk about his white grandmother during the elections untill the press forced the issue.

I could be wrong on this but it makes more sense than trying to hide his place of birth which is hawaii people there is little doubt contrary to what people believe.

posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 08:01 PM
reply to post by dragonridr

Like I said, something is there. It could be that Barack Obama Sr. is not his listed father. It could be something simple like you stated; his race may not be listed as black/white, or even "African."

Or it could in fact be that he was not born in Hawaii. The only person that can really truthfully debunk this issue is Barack Obama himself, and he isn't talking.

posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 08:05 PM

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by schrodingers dog
wasn't the Bush national guard thing an issue during the 99 campaign?

I thought it was during his term as POTUS.
But you could be right. Dunno.
At any rate .. he dug out documents that weren't required.
That ended all the speculation.

Originally posted by Electro38
an official document produced by the state of Hawaii?

It was forged by Jay McKinnon. He admitted it. Daily Kos immediately took their copy off the internet when their stooge admitted the forgery. And since the Obama camp claimed the Daily kos one was 'legit', they immediately also took theirs down and no longer claimed it was 'legit' when Jay McKinnon blew the top off the forgery.

It wasn't produced by Hawaii. It was produced by Jay McKinnon.

Are you knowingly spreading false information because it hasn't been in the news in over a year, and you hope no one takes the 10 minutes to actually research your claims to see if they are true or false, or are you just letting yourself fall for more propaganda? This is getting ridiculous.

Here is an interview with Jay McKinnon on DailyKos about his supposed "forging" of the certificates.

Opendna: Reuven Koret, publisher of Isreal Insider, has written that you admitted to forgery.

Jay McKinnon: Reuven Koret wrote me a number of emails before he published his article. Using a kind of Good Cop/Bad Cop style he alternatively offered to keep my statements off the record, and threatened to report me to DHS and CSIS and reveal my identity before an audience larger than DailyKos. When I asked for his questions, he sent me five which required that I both admit to a crime and suggested I implicate other innocent people (including Markos Moulitsas and unidentified members of the Obama Campaign staff) in a conspiracy. I regarded his overtures as a form of journalistic blackmail, in which I either told him what he wanted to hear or he would libel me on his website.

I informed him that I believed his article was based on libel and provided him with this statement: "I believe there is overwhelming evidence that Senator Obama is a natural born US Citizen, and I have no evidence to contradict that belief."

Evidently that wasn’t what he wanted to hear because a few days he published his article omitting that quote.

McKinnon states multiple times in the interview that he believes Obama is a citizen and explains what really happened and how he's become a tool for the birth conspirator's disinformation campaign.

This was all back before Obama was elected, so I'm confused as to why you keep saying McKinnon forged the DailyKos pictures (which he didn't), and then admitted to the forgery (which he didn't). What he did do was take DailyKos's images of the certificate and manipulate them in an obvious and ridiculous manner. For instance,

Jay McKinnon: The original inspiration was a comment saying "I'm sure that every forgery includes a note that essentially says "Hey! I'm a forgery!"" I offered up a digital manipulation in which the text from the name did not match the place or time of birth, the name literally read ‘Hey! I’m a forgery!’, and most of the text was blank. I don’t think it could have more obviously been a fake, which was the joke. It didn’t occur to me that anyone would be so silly as to claim that it really was a forgery.

Please stop spreading inaccurate/false information. It only muddles the issue and obscures the truth of the whole situation.


posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 08:10 PM

Originally posted by KnoxMSP

Originally posted by GingerR
even admits that for some reason Kenya waits 3-4 years before making BCs. No explanation why.

You misunderstand. She's saying that this BC wasn't created until 1964. Meaning this certified copy wasn't created until then. This is not supposed to be an original but a copy requested by Obama's father during his divorce to Obama's mother.

Then she reffered to Kenya's independence, and why the issuing of this document for the time period would be correct.

Surely the date is still incorrect, though. The Kenyan certificate is dated in February of 1964 and, though Kenya was independent at the time, it was not a Republic until December of that year.

posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 08:10 PM
reply to post by oneclickaway

The canadafreepress link took over 2 minutes and still didn't open for me, then the godlikeproductions link returned a 403 error and an additional 500 error, whatever that means. ???

posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 08:19 PM

Originally posted by Hazelnut
The canadafreepress link took over 2 minutes and still didn't open for me, then the godlikeproductions link returned a 403 error and an additional 500 error, whatever that means. ???

It could mean:

The poster provided an incorrect link.
The site is experiencing heavy traffic.
Your computer is slow.


Off Topic comments removed

[edit on 4/8/09 by masqua]

posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 08:28 PM
reply to post by Hazelnut

The canada one is opening for me...might be lots of traffic

posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 08:28 PM

off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 08:33 PM
My sources are telling me that Obama plays that Delusional mariah carey song for every breaking birther story.

Truth is it would be easier to focus on the parents and find out if they ever left hawaii or what airline flew directly to zanzibar. What if Stanley miscarried over asia?

Is Obamas bc in another country?

posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 09:07 PM

Originally posted by ActivePatriot
reply to post by schrodingers dog

It's a special type of presidential postpartum psychosis making one fond of fake Taitz.

Like the one Dems had when they said Bush wasn't elected?

Oh yeah, Taitz
What happened to the Major? Did he get court martialled for refusing orders to deploy to Afhganistan from the Commander in Chief?

No, his orders for deployment were rescinded.

Because of the fact he is a reservist and volunteered for the deployment in May and in that condition they have a certain amount of time in which they can rescind their voluntary decision not because of taitz...

[edit on 4-8-2009 by HunkaHunka]

posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 09:30 PM
It seems the genealogy website owner has a history, and motive. He should be researched further.

posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 09:35 PM
reply to post by Got Questions?

What kind of history and motive? Do tell, please. While I am not entirely convinced of the veracity of the Kenyan certified copy, some intriguing issues have been brought to light about BOTH of them.

posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 09:41 PM
reply to post by Got Questions?

Yes please do tell... what history and motive?

Or are you just spreading seeds of ambiguity?

posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 09:55 PM

Today, after an extensive eight month investigation, the Northeast Intelligence Network and Canada Free Press are breaking their silence and revealing explosive information about a widespread cover-up that began at the earliest stages of the Obama presidential campaign. The cover-up traces back to some of the most powerful and influential people in the U.S. and continues today.

Well I am surprised that nobody seems interested in potential proof of media gagging with threats made even before the election. Back to senseless mudslinging then.

posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 09:58 PM
reply to post by octotom

Actually I think the constitution specifically states that the vice president becomes president if the president is disqualified. I'll have to check this again.

posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 09:59 PM
reply to post by oneclickaway

Because we are tired of hearing about things which are GOING TO BREAK. That's not a story... just ambiguity...

We'll wait until there is something to actually talk about other than so many allegations that never come to fruition.

posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 10:26 PM
Just happened to hear Michael Savages take on this...

I believe that the Obama admin is capable, even if he was not born in American, I don't know where he was born, let's say he was porn in kenya....

The gov is playing the birthers for fools....

and they are going to play this and eventually undercut them and make them look like idiots...

You are going to dangerous levels.... eventually the Chicago mafia will produce a birth certificate...

[edit on 4-8-2009 by HunkaHunka]

posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 10:39 PM

Originally posted by Disinfo Agent

Surely the date is still incorrect, though. The Kenyan certificate is dated in February of 1964 and, though Kenya was independent at the time, it was not a Republic until December of that year.

I believe that is incorrect. From what I've read Kenya became a Republic in December of 63, not 64.

edit to add

[edit on 4-8-2009 by KnoxMSP]

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