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Photo - Obama's Kenyan Birth Certificate (political fraud)

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posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 10:49 AM
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Originally posted by MissysWorld

Originally posted by GLDNGUN
IF it's a fake, the forgerer may have used the following document as his template:

www.bomford.net...

Apparently it ss a scanned image of a “Certified Copy of Registration of Birth” dated in 1964 for a David Jeffrey Bomford on a genealogy website for the Bomford family; however, David Jeffrey Bomford wasn’t born in Kenya, he was born in South Australia.

A closer look reveals more disturbing info.

The names of the registrar and the district registrar are nearly the same names used in the Kenya certificate except for the first initials, (G.H. Lavender and J.H. Miller in the Bomford BC vs. E.H. Lavender and M.H. Miller in the Kenya BC).

Also, the book number (44B) and page number (5733) are the same on both BCs.

If this Bomford certificate is the real deal, then I'll be the first to admit that the Kenya BC is very likely fake and that whomever forged it used the Bomford certificate for their template.


GLDNGUN's post seemed odd to me, due to the fact that I had just read the same post on two different websites...
GLDNGUN posted this discovery here at 6:32 PM
posted on 3-8-2009 @ 06:32 PM
The same information was posted at:
pub29.bravenet.com...
By user JustTheFacts, with a time stamp of:


JustTheFacts Aug 3, 2009 - 6:27PM

And the same info was posted at:
www.politijab.com...
Posted by Koyaan, with a time stamp of:


by Koyaan » Mon Aug 03, 2009 6:36 pm

I could go on, and post for you, other sites where this exact same info was posted by different people, at almost the exact same time, where that poster also got credit for the discovery...I find it odd to say the least...
Is it just me, or do I smell a rat?




posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 10:56 AM
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Have you read lamecherry today??



actually took a bit of time and ran this document through filters and posted above a rough generated copy of the seal on this document. While I do not have my Naval lab pixel refinement here in the mount, the seal is in fact literally there, unlike Obama's missing validation seal on his bogus COLB, certificate of live birth.


lamecherry.blogspot.com...



posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 10:56 AM
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Originally posted by Electro38
Does anyone here know if any other president in history was asked to rigorously prove their citizenship the way we're asking Obama to do?

*Have previous presidents only needed to provide a valid birth cert from their state of birth? Or were they also asked to provide additional articles of proof?

How many people here have multiple documents that prove their own citizenship?

[edit on 4-8-2009 by Electro38]


Unfortunately for Obama he has a strange and scattered history. His mom moves to Hawaii in 1960 with her parents and becomes pregnant , marries and gives birth to Obama within a year of arriving in there.

His alleged father was not a US Citizen. He leaves Ann and Obama in Hawaii after graduating in 1962 to attend Harvard and then moves on to Kenya in 1965. He apparently does not return to Hawaii until 1971. Way to love your alleged son.

Obama is moved to Indonesia and is legally adopted by Lolo Soetoro. His whole life after this adoption is fuzzy and all records of this life have been sealed.

We have not had a president in modern history with such a bizarre and unknown background. Hence the mystery and conspiracy theories.

edit for clarity.

[edit on 4-8-2009 by jibeho]



posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 11:03 AM
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Obama Birthers – Kenya Birth certificate may be real.




It appears that the original alleged Kenya certified copy of live birth for Barack Obama was modified and hacked and infiltrated by Obama bots. Orly Taitz, the California lawyer, had originally obtained and posted a birth document from an anonymous source. Just hours or so after it’s release, many people started to point out weird or odd features of the document in trying to disprove it’s legitimacy. While it should be checked, and I do not know if it is in fact genuine, it appears that some of the assumptions about it were absolutely wrong. Here is a picture of the ORIGINAL DOCUMENT POSTED BY TAITZ BEFORE HER WEBSITE WAS HACKED.




According to the free republic, some obama-loving hackers were able to hack Mrs. Orly Taitz website and modify the original document. They also hacked her main blog, located at the following address:


obamabirthers.com...
Hummmmmm..I knew I smelled a rat....



posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 11:05 AM
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Originally posted by No Porch Joe
a) Here's a site that has examined Obama's actual birth certificate.
"http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html"

Factcheck ... run by annenberg ... Obama was on the board of directors ... annenberg is a big $$ contributor to Obama's campaign. They are not considered a reliable source of information.



posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 11:05 AM
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Originally posted by jibeho

Originally posted by Electro38
Does anyone here know if any other president in history was asked to rigorously prove their citizenship the way we're asking Obama to do?

*Have previous presidents only needed to provide a valid birth cert from their state of birth? Or were they also asked to provide additional articles of proof?

How many people here have multiple documents that prove their own citizenship?

[edit on 4-8-2009 by Electro38]


Unfortunately for Obama he has a strange and scattered history. His mom moves to Hawaii in 1960 with her parents and allegedly becomes pregnant...


But, his birth cert from the state of Hawaii, is real. No one has proven it isn't. That would be enough for you to prove your citizenship, and enough for anyone else here.


Also, you said; "His mom moves to Hawaii in 1960 with her parents and allegedly becomes pregnant..."

"Allegedly becomes pregnant"? So now that's in question too?

We don't even know if his mother was really pregnant? Is this supposed to be something like the movie "The Omen" now?



posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 11:07 AM
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Originally posted by MissysWorld
Is it just me, or do I smell a rat?


What are you talking about? I have been doing actual research on this issue instead of sitting around and slinging out racist barbs as some people on this thread are wont to do. I have been monitoring numerous sources of information trying to get to the TRUTH of these documents. When I came across info regarding similarities between the 2 documents, I looked at them myself and posted what I found.

Keep reading and you'll see how later I question the authenticity of the Aussie BC, again based upon information I came across in my RESEARCH.

How again does sharing the results of my research make me a rat?



posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 11:11 AM
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Thank goodness we finally got a Tag on the .line that makes sense...

"Likely Forgery"


I give it to the end of today before it goes back completely to HOAX!




posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 11:15 AM
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Originally posted by XyZeR
Sorry if this was already posted (this thread moves way to fast to keep up with everything)

Australian ABC found the man whose birth certificate was copied.
Listen to the interview here:

www.abc.net.au...

His birth certificate was up on the net and they managed to find it.

Here's a 1964 “certified copy of registration of birth” from Australia, easily available on Bomford.net, a genealogy site. There are striking similarities between this document and the one Orly Taitz is passing off as a “Kenyan birth certificate” for Barack Obama.

- The design is identical, down to the seal at the top and the classifications (”Christian name,” etc) used for identifying the baby.

- The “registrar” on the Bomford document is G.F. Lavender. On the Taitz document, it’s E.F. Lavender.

- The “district registrar” on the Bomford document is J.H. Miller. On the Taitz document, it’s M.H. Miller.

- The number of the book is identical on both documents: Book 44B, Page 5733.

What’s more likely — that two Kenyan bureaucrats shared last names with two Australian bureaucrats, and that the numbers on both certificates were identical? Or that someone used this document, available online for anyone who wanted to look, to forge the Obama “certificate?”

sorry again if this has already been posted !






Some of the folks on this site won't see this as truth. They'll just say that the guy's voice was forged or something LOL!



posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 11:18 AM
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The reference to the Omen is funny but Damien Obama doesn't have a good ring to it.

Pardon my slip of words. I meant to say that she allegedly became pregnant while in Hawaii. Some theories contend that she actually became pregnant while still in Washington. This pregnancy pushed her parents to move her to Hawaii where the physical appearance of a mulatto baby would be accepted in a more favorable way given the conservative attitudes of that era.

Please bear in mind that back in the days of the late 50's through the early 60's unwed pregnant teens were sent away to have their babies and then gave them up for adoption. Perhaps Ann's parents were looking for an alternative.

[edit on 4-8-2009 by jibeho]



posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 11:28 AM
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Not reliable?!? Even though it clearly shows all the stuff you guys bitch about not being there? But some crappy photo of a folded-up and slightly torn piece of paper of dubious origin is? Wow, you guys are determined to remain hysteric morons!

Even the Great Desecrator (Dick Cheney) with all the resources of the Department of Justice didn't produce any evidence that Obama wasn't a natural-born citizen. And, believe me, he wasn't above trying! When it came to ignoring the Constitution, he is the all-time Champ!

No Porch Joe



posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 11:34 AM
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reply to post by MissysWorld
 


Although this does show that at least two versions of the alleged BC are floating around the web (we don't actually know for certain which one is the hacked BC) this still doesn't address several of the more damning criticisms:

Seals not being on Kenyan BC until 1963.
Mombasa not being part of Kenya until 1963.
The Coast General Hospital is apparently called the Coast Provincial General Hospital
Similarity to the Australian BC.
etc...

Unless these criticisms have been shown to be not true...I don't know.


[edit on 4-8-2009 by theWCH]



posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 11:35 AM
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I've created a side-by-side comparison of the two birth certificates for better analysis of the similarities... and differences.

I desaturated and increased the contrast on both, then revised the perspective of the Kenyan document to match (as close as possible) the straight-on perspective of the Australian document.

Small preview:


Link to full-size version (460k JPEG)



posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 11:36 AM
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Jerome Corsi's interview on G. Gordon Liddy today:



"..various intelligence agencies including in London and very likely in Israel and certainly intelligence agencies that have looked at this information and there are files that intelligence agencies that have been obtained on Barack Obama that have not been made public. "


Dr. Taitz is in Israel.
Here are two videos


Michael Savage Interviews Orly Taitz - Obama Birth Certificate - August 3, 2009 - Part 1 of 2
www.youtube.com...



Part two
www.youtube.com...





I don't understand why this women would go to so much trouble, one wy or the other, if she didn't know something.

[edit on 113131p://bTuesday2009 by Stormdancer777]



posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 11:39 AM
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Originally posted by HunkaHunka
Some of the folks on this site won't see this as truth. They'll just say that the guy's voice was forged or something LOL!


And that's exactly the kind of thing that would happen if Obama released his original birth certificate from the vaults of Hawaii. It would be examined by hoards of Internet "experts" and folds and letters and shades of gray and boogers would suddenly "prove" that it, too was a fake! LOL

If anyone ever asks why Obama won't release his birth certificate (if he even can) that's why. Because people who want it to be fake (this crazed birther movement and their leader) would find ways to make it seem fake. Because that's what they WANT to see.



posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 11:46 AM
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Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
I've created a side-by-side comparison of the two birth certificates for better analysis of the similarities... and differences.

I desaturated and increased the contrast on both, then revised the perspective of the Kenyan document to match (as close as possible) the straight-on perspective of the Australian document.

Small preview:


Link to full-size version (460k JPEG)


I'm trying to understand what the big deal is that the Australian version looks exactly the same as the Kenya one?

Countries do use template documents! That does not mean they are fake. Look at how many people in government, politics, and legal practice use the same documents over and over again. To me it just proves consistency and legitimacy.



posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 11:47 AM
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I don't understand why this women would go to so much trouble, one wy or the other, if she didn't know something.


Although I don't want to actually question her motives -- and I'm not -- there are several reasons why somebody would go through all of this trouble without having any non-forged evidence:

1. Fame
2. Fortune

In this particular case, you would be plastered all over the media outlets and raking in money faster than you could count it, from speaking arrangements, interviews, book deals, etc.


[edit on 4-8-2009 by theWCH]



posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 11:49 AM
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Originally posted by MissysWorld
Have you read lamecherry today??



actually took a bit of time and ran this document through filters and posted above a rough generated copy of the seal on this document. While I do not have my Naval lab pixel refinement here in the mount, the seal is in fact literally there, unlike Obama's missing validation seal on his bogus COLB, certificate of live birth.


lamecherry.blogspot.com...


BTW, Here is another little blurb from your linked site:


This lack of ability in the Obama brownshirts is a further plank in the foundation of this which is fast becoming a bat beating these maniacs and the DENIERS into submission.


The "brownshirts" comment is a reference to Nazi youth. No?
Is that a description that you endorse regarding Obama supporters?



[edit on 4-8-2009 by kinda kurious]



posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 11:55 AM
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reply to post by whatukno
 

Hawaii refuses to verify Obama's COLB
www.abovetopsecret.com...

I don't know what verified, but not verified COLB



posted on Aug, 4 2009 @ 11:57 AM
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reply to post by SkepticOverlord
 


I'm looking at the South Australian BC and i can see that the Registrars name
G.F.Lavender is not printed centrally in its box unlike every other box that has printing in it ? E.F.Lavender however on the Kenyan BC is central.

If Orly Taitz website was hacked and documents altered there, Would it be possible for the Bomford website to be hacked and some details of the Registrars name and other small changes made that would discredit the Kenyan BC ?

Maybe some effort could be made to get the owner of the Bomford BC to confirm the BC in his possession is exactly the same with names of Registrars etc as on the internet ?

IMO that is the only thing left before this can be totally debunked.



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