Photo - Obama's Kenyan Birth Certificate (political fraud)

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posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 12:50 PM
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Hi Maria, I don't know, none of us know if it is authentic, more then likely either way, whether proven or disproven, people will not be satisfied.

I just can't believe an attorney or Keyes would put themselves out there like this without some idea what is going on.

How about that list of plaintiffs we should check out who those people are too.

Honestly, if he was found to be illegal to hold the office of president,

This county will go raving madd.

I am very afraid for America.




posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 12:51 PM
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He was Raised in America and that is all that should matter to you all...

-second line



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 12:53 PM
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That's right.

And Kenya was a British colony until 12th December 1963. This child was born in 1961 ... so the original birth certificate won't be endorsed "Republic of Kenya" at all, it'll have the Royal coat of arms stamped on it.

Another thing.

Although Kenya gained independence from Britain on 12th December 1963 it didn't become a Republic until December 1964 when it's new constitution took effect.

So why does a birth certificate issued in February 1964 have Republic mentioned on it at all ?



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 12:53 PM
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Originally posted by Next_Heap_With
He was Raised in America and that is all that should matter to you all...

-second line


That is not totally true either.Obama also lived in Jakarta, Indonesia, during the most formative years of his life.

[edit on 123131p://bSunday2009 by Stormdancer777]



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 12:54 PM
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Originally posted by Next_Heap_With
He was Raised in America and that is all that should matter to you all...

-second line


First line - Hmmmmm, no, abiding by our governing document, aka The CONSTITUTION, is what matters to us!

Second line.



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 12:54 PM
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Besides, Obama is doing things right now in office that are atrocious and any opposition should be concentrating on that instead. What is better to attack, a birth certificate that can be forged or covered up or 60 appointed czars that believe weird stuff like forced population control.


I am sure most can hold two thoughts in their head at one time..and sure that people are desperately concerned over all the other stuff.
I don't think this is about which party he belongs to, or what race he is or anything other than wanting the truth from those elected. If someone is found to be a liar, a cheat and a fraud even before they take office, you really want that? So then would you be able to trust a word they said? You would trust their actions?

I don;t know if he is eligible or not. The issue is much bigger than a piece of paper. It is actually about people, on behalf of even those screaming racists at them, making a point that we all now know what the powers that be have been up to for the last 50 years. We are disgusted and appalled at the corruption, immorality, the deaths, murders and the total abuse of that power mainly for their own profit and greed. We now want the elected to be totally accountable and not to abuse or kill the very people they are representing and supposed to be serving.

And most importantly it is a message that the people are watching what our leaders, or the elite behind them are doing. The game is up...the people want accountability, honesty, morality, fairness and justice. Once truth is out it is out and cannot be retracted about all the corruption.
They can't control the whole world...and the world is watching.
They can vaccinate and cart most off to camps...but the rest of the world is still watching...



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 12:55 PM
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Thanks


So ... is it time 'HOAX' was added to the thread title ?



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 12:55 PM
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Originally posted by nixie_nox
Funny how no matter what BC the administration puts up, even though several journalists and Hawaiian officials verified it, it is FORGED and can't be real!

Oh but suddenly one from Kenya is.


Funny how evidence is only valid and not forged when it supports your cause.

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Sure....and there is nothing at all odd about a law being made that states Obama is a natural born citizen...

Apparently his "Hawaiian Birth Certificate" sucks so much they had to make his citizenship an actual law.



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 12:56 PM
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Personally I think its fake.

I also think all this 'birther-nonbirther' crapola is nothing but a smokescreen masking something else.

Also I think a great many of the folks so 'het up' about all of this have been programed perfectly. Yup all this birther stuff reads like prep to keep us from seeing something in the big picture.

Congratulations who ever you are, you seem to have scored well on your sheeple programming test.

M.



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 12:57 PM
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Originally posted by kozmo

Originally posted by Next_Heap_With
He was Raised in America and that is all that should matter to you all...

-second line


First line - Hmmmmm, no, abiding by our governing document, aka The CONSTITUTION, is what matters to us!

Second line.


The constitution is a backward outdated document written 200-ish years ago... those who follow it live in the past and do not want to progress... it is time to re-written that precious constitution of yours...or better yet..do not follow any constitution...



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 12:57 PM
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Interesting photo. Alex Jones needs to talk more about this.......

Anyway, I always find threads like this entertaining, for the mere fact of envisioning the Obama loyalists having panic attacks. Look how emotionally invested some Obama supporters are of this man - this VERY overrated President, who cannot speak properly without a telemprompter. I've already seen the race card used a few times in this thread.

You don't like Obama -- YOU RACIST!


BTW, I thought Bush was scum as well.

[edit on 2-8-2009 by Manwin]

[edit on 2-8-2009 by Manwin]



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 12:58 PM
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We will never get the truth about this, if he was born in Kenya Im sure they can easily fake a bc. I do not like Obama, but if he is removed from office, then we would have to deal with Biden!!



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 01:01 PM
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Originally posted by epete22
Orly Taitz again huh? No wonder the OP has no faith in the document he published.

Who is Orly Taitz? I don't see that name on the document that I posted.
Oh ... and I'm a girl.



Originally posted by MagicaRose
Flyersfan, Can you tell me what is on that birth certificate that isn't correct?

I have no idea if anything is or isn't correct.
I've been on the internet looking for other examples. Can't find any.
I can't find info on the 'registrar' or the others listed.


Originally posted by phoenix103
There is one fact in this case - Obama is entitled to be US President, ..

The last poll I saw said 33% of Americans believed he wasn't born here.
Up until this point I have maintained that he was probably born in Hawaii
and that there is something on his long form Hawaii BC that he is
desperately trying to hide.

If this document proves to be authentic, I'll have to change my stand.


Originally posted by maria_stardust
This document seems oddly well preserved considering its age.

I have no details on the history of this document or how it got into the
hand/hands of the source(s). I am preparing correspondence to ask those
questions ...


Originally posted by octotom
The way that I've understood thus far, the OP is behind this and there is a source, but the OP just isn't at liberty to say who the source is yet.

Actually I just posted what was given to me. And I won't reveal the source(s) unless he/she/they want to be revealed. That kinda puts a kink into the investigation of the document, but that's the best I can do. I'm preparing some questions to ask the source ...


Originally posted by octotom
Obama could be done with this SO easily. But, he's choosing to not just end this whole thing.

Kinda makes ya' wonder what's on that document that he's working so hard to keep hidden. 'Transparency' ...



Originally posted by Electro38
I am starting to see that there is a component of racism in these discussions. Just my opinion.

And
is my opinion about your opinion.


Originally posted by Pathos
Date & Place of Birth - August 4, 1961
Given under my hand... - February 17, 1964
Should those two dates match, or is the second date when someone put in for a copy of the certificate?

Looks like that's the date of the certified copy of the original??


Originally posted by Next_Heap_With
He was Raised in America and that is all that should matter to you all...

No he wasn't.


Originally posted by Next_Heap_With
The constitution is a backward outdated document written 200-ish years ago... those who follow it live in the past and do not want to progress...

Your beliefs on that matter are irrelevant to the subject because at this time that document is the law of the land.



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 01:02 PM
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WOW! Really! A 48 year old conspiracy ends because they forgot about the "actual" birth certificate. LOL I mean really if they faked a Hawaiian birth certificate don't you think they would have gotten rid of the "original" Kenyan birth certificate. Oh wait someone knew 48 years ago that this boy would grow up and become the first black president so he decided to keep the "original" birth certificate all these years so he could be kicked out of office. Is this man the leader of the Birthers? Great stuff.



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 01:03 PM
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Originally posted by Next_Heap_With

Originally posted by kozmo

Originally posted by Next_Heap_With
He was Raised in America and that is all that should matter to you all...

-second line


First line - Hmmmmm, no, abiding by our governing document, aka The CONSTITUTION, is what matters to us!

Second line.


The constitution is a backward outdated document written 200-ish years ago... those who follow it live in the past and do not want to progress... it is time to re-written that precious constitution of yours...or better yet..do not follow any constitution...


Seriously? The Constitution...that one document that keeps a record of the natural and unalienable rights that every American is born with is....outdated?

Sure.



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 01:04 PM
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ON TOPIC -

- What we need to do is see if we can find info on the officials listed on the document. See if they were really there at that time, etc etc.

- Find a certificate from that time period and compare it. See if it looks the same.

- Any ATS media person want to go to Kenya for a two week vacation and check this out??


The document is the topic. Let's see what we can do to verify or debunk it.

I've got a few questions for 'the source' and I'll be getting back to ya'll with the answers.



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 01:04 PM
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Even Orly Taitz, the atty on this case is not sure if it is real, but, at least she is following proper procedure in requesting the courts to authenticate this document.

See the court filing here

So now we wait to see if the courts will grant the request IF THEY DO, then we wait for verification or proof of forgery.

SO while this appears to be the "smoking gun" that (us) "Birthers" have been waiting for, really it is just another question in the list of questions that we have.

I will be closely following the decision of the courts for the request to authenticate. I hope this judge has the stones to allow this document to be authenticated, regardless of what the results of that will be.

Unfortunately, I expect the request to be denied



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 01:05 PM
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Anyone bothering to address the very pertinent points raised in Ulala's post ?



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 01:07 PM
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There is another bigger point that is being missed here. The fact is the government has been breaking the Constitution for years and they have been getting away with it. If Obama was truly ineligible, it is just another example.


Thank you for clarifying what I was trying to say. The real issue is "is this a nation of law" with checks and balances as written in the Constitution? If the courts allow this to take its proper course then we are a nation of law, the fact it has not shows the dry rot within the system

As an American citizen this is disquieting because it means we the citizens have lost all control of our government. The issue is not the person but whether our system of law is working. We are all sitting on the tiger waiting to see if he will turn on us. A very long home grown terrorist list, a joint civil/military prison with a built in court - the whole situation is disquieting. If it was McCain on the throne we would hear the screaming from MA to CA, since it is a black and democratic Congress the activist are content in attacking those raising questions. Divide and Conquer



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 01:08 PM
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well WND say's it's not a fake best i can tell.

So he was not born in America.

Would that not make him a naturalized citizen?

Thus why his grandparents who lived in Hawaii ..would put a birth announcement in the paper.

So if this document is 100% true.
Is he Illegible for presidency?





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