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Photo - Obama's Kenyan Birth Certificate (political fraud)

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posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 05:11 PM
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I find it really interesting the way the document in the OP is folded -- vertically, old style as I've seen before, folded into a small square. I wonder why...... if this were a fake, the perpetrators would use that unusual, abeit old-style fold?

A semi-offtopic observation -- those of you that want to springboard off this OP to Bush-bashing..... I agree with many of your views, but this isn't the place. That dog don't hunt no more, thankfully.

I hope this document and filing is heard in court. We can all research to an extent and debate, and hopefully the debate will not be ill-mannered, however I can't imagine a Orly deciding to go with a KNOWN faked document. I have to believe that she and others on the suit believe it to be a valid document.

One other note....... those of you that believe President Obama might have been born out of the U.S. --- please, PLEASE lay off the labels: Obamatron, etc. It just makes you look like people that don't critically examine information -- it makes you look like people who couldn't possibly say "I was wrong". I can say it. If it turns out to be so that President Obama is vetted as being Natural Born, I will gladly take your "I told you so's", but in the meantime, let's debate as people all looking for the truth of things.




posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 05:11 PM
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reply to post by XTexan
 


Wrong... McCain isn't an automatic... The dems would need to put up another candidate to run a special election after the traitor is executed.

It's not bad for our country ... it's back to the law of the land.

Treason and covering up treason will ferret out the real weasels and they will be outted.

ALL GOOD.

BTW: Do we still execute for [color=#00BFFF]HIGH TREASON[color=gold]?



[edit on 8·2·09 by DrMattMaddix]



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 05:14 PM
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Originally posted by DrMattMaddix

Originally posted by antmax21
Some guy posted this stuff about the authenticity..I have no clue if any of this is true. I just find this stuff interesting. Can anyone clear this up?
-Father's age is wrong

-Name of the village is misspelled

-Republic of Kenya did not exist until December 12, 1963



But my personal fav is:

-Certificate number is 47O44...

47 - Obama's age when elected

O(bama)

44 - 44th President of the United States
Thanks


Republic of Kenya means that if you look at the date and info ... this is a copy of the form on file ... the copy pulled soon after his birth in 1964... perhaps for his grandmother or other family member...

So, it's a copy pulled AFTER the RoK was established.

Father's age ? Perhaps they had even worse record keeping in 40's???

okay well that 1964 part clears up the RoK part...But what about the odd clues in the 47O44? ....47 years old when elected, O(bama) as the O, and 44 as the 44th president of the USA..someone is messing around with this stuff.



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 05:15 PM
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It wouldnt be that simple first if the president violates a law which this would qualify the house would begin impeachment precedings(this is not what every one thinks it is).The impeachment precedings if found valid by the house which i doubt they would when then go to the senate the senate will hold a trial with the chief justice present. If found guilty they have the authority to sentence him for his crime.Notice i did not say they have the authority to remove him from office.They can request his resignation and in reality would probably hve to agree. Then the vice president would assume office And the speaker of the house becomes the vice president. Now that is truly scary biden and polisi running the country!



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 05:17 PM
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Originally posted by DrMattMaddix

Originally posted by antmax21
Some guy posted this stuff about the authenticity..I have no clue if any of this is true. I just find this stuff interesting. Can anyone clear this up?
-Father's age is wrong

-Name of the village is misspelled

-Republic of Kenya did not exist until December 12, 1963



But my personal fav is:

-Certificate number is 47O44...

47 - Obama's age when elected

O(bama)

44 - 44th President of the United States
Thanks


Republic of Kenya means that if you look at the date and info ... this is a copy of the form on file ... the copy pulled soon after his birth in 1964... perhaps for his grandmother or other family member...

So, it's a copy pulled AFTER the RoK was established.

Father's age ? Perhaps they had even worse record keeping in 40's???

"Republic of Kenya means that if you look at the date and info ... this is a copy of the form on file ... the copy pulled soon after his birth in 1964... perhaps for his grandmother or other family member..."
I read on another site that it is most probubly a copy of the form on file, that was used when Obama's Mother got a divorce from his Father. She would have to had proven to the Divorce lawyer that Obama was her son, and this copy was filed in a box, and recently discovered..



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 05:18 PM
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Originally posted by dubiousone
reply to post by Jenna
 


How refreshing that so many of you are suddenly concerned about the direction in which your beloved country is going. Where were you and what did you do during the preceding eight years when an unelected person held the presidency?

Screaming at the tops of our voices!!! We were saying that this is wrong! And you, liberal friends, were screaming right next to us!

-sheesh-

Get off the Bush thing. I hate him, you hate him. Agreed. Let's concentrate on this lying SOB for now.



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 05:19 PM
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Originally posted by JacKatMtn
Take a look here www.orlytaitzesq.com...
It appears it was part of a court filing AUG 1 ?


BE CAREFUL!
This site come up with the following warning:

Reported Attack Site!
This web site at www.orlytaitzesq.com has been reported as an attack site and has been blocked based on your security preferences.
Attack sites try to install programs that steal private information, use your computer to attack others, or damage your system.
Some attack sites intentionally distribute harmful software, but many are compromised without the knowledge or permission of their owners.


How coincidental...
The website purported to have the critical info on the BC controversy suddenly becomes an attack site.

Is it for real or a ploy to keep people away, or both?
It is an "Advisory provided by Google".



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 05:20 PM
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Those are just funny irony?

Happy Birthday, Bro!



I can understand the spirit of law and since this would seem to be "ineligibility after the fact" (with conspiracy to defraud ALL Americans and foreign powers) the penalties would stiff swift and OBiden would go too.

Pelosi would be interim president and either hold a special election or she may have power to appoint a new president until 2012. with no special election.

Appointment is something I'm unsure of... however, a bill could call for a special election immediately after authentication and removal of said Usurper. Execution is now a real concern.

Edit to ADD: If Pelosi (his biggest supporter) is found guilty of 'conspiracy to defraud ALL Americans' she won't be authorized to pee in a cup.


[edit on 8·2·09 by DrMattMaddix]



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 05:21 PM
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posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 05:22 PM
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Is it possible for you to refrain from trying to hijack this thread off course with your baseless accusations, red herrings, and tangents that are adding nothing to the debate ongoing here? Some people are actually trying to follow this thread (for example, me) and your ramblings are detracting from the thread...please, either say something pertinent or stop posting until you come up with something pertinent to say regarding the topic. Thanks.



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 05:22 PM
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Even (now) many of the foolish fools, blind idiot zombies are beginning to realize something is very wrong as they lose their jobs and social services (nation wide) continues to close due mainly form the lack of funds. It want be long before this islamic demon is anialated. He is cold and possessed so is his spouse only the childre remain innocent. The blind (many) remain blind for they can not see the truth but are allowed to believe a lie because they will never believe the truth for their heart and soul belongs to the Father of lies. Waste no time with them as they scream their foolishness.



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 05:22 PM
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It would be quite interesting if this document proved to be legitimate. If it is he needs to be taken out of office. But that doesn't mean they won't just put someone else in that is the same or worse. I don't side with either the "birthers" (sorry to use the term) or the ones opposed to it because I couldn't even pretend to know anything about BC's and the like. All I know is that I follow the Constitution of the United States.

The Congress has the right to change the Constitution with amendments and such but yet they haven't changed the clause that says you must be a natural born citizen to be POTUS. So people who are attacking others about how it doesn't matter anymore or under what circumstances the laws were written need to be attacking their Congressmen instead of Joe Anonymous on ATS. You don't like the law? Call out the person YOU elected to be YOUR voice and stop trying to silence other peoples voices.

And the only people I have seen throw the race card on the table are the anti-birthers. So maybe that makes you the racist one if that is the first thought that comes to your head? "Oh no, here we go! Here come the white people trying to throw out the black president." Give me a break.

I will not deny that there is racism in America and that there is probably some racism with SOME of the Americans that are calling for Obama to clarify this whole BC issue. But that does NOT give you the right to call the whole movement racist when just about all the "birthers" I have seen on this thread have been looking at actual FACTS and not skin color.

Grow up and provide ANY kind of evidence like a few of the anti's have on this board such as schrodinger's dog. Don't come in here just to bash people because they want to find out the truth.

As I said before I have no clue about any of this BC stuff so I won't even pretend I know anything about it. All I can do is take evidence from both sides of the arguement, look up the facts that both sides provide, and come up with my own conclusion. Thank you to all those, on both sides of the arguement, who have been providing some kind of facts to back up their claims
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posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 05:22 PM
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If the doc is real then why isn't anything being done with it? Lets get on with it and kick the first black American pres the hell out of the white house already.

What are you guys waiting for? Isn't that all you need?



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 05:24 PM
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There is an attorney, Taily Ortiz or whatever, out in California that is doing something with this. That was mentioned back on page two or three.



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 05:24 PM
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Originally posted by CuriousSkeptic
it's stupid, I think it's covertly racist, and I think birthers are idiots.


I have no idea whether this is true or not, but I do know one thing; calling people "racist" without proof is worse than throwing the "F Bomb" by far. This is not the Daily Koss where that is welcome.

Calling people "stupid" or "idiots" simply because they don't agree with you is also wrong.

On topic -

Most of the pages of this thread are the same things repeated over and over again. It seems to me it would be better to revisit this after the court rules and if it is verified to be authentic. Otherwise this will just be more pages of the same things over and over some more.

As to the Constitution -


No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;


I don't see anything vague or hard to comprehend? I think the odds are that Obama is a natural born Citizen and that all of this is speculation, but if he is not, he most certainly is not President.

Even though I think Obama is on a path to destroy the US and recreate it into something inferior, I think it would be very bad for us if he does turn out to not be eligible for his office. It would tear this country apart.



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 05:28 PM
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Yes, abiding by the constitution is more important than our reputation. I'm just saying a lot of people are not going to see it that way. Minorities are going to see it as a conspiracy by the "white devil" and we are going to see a huge backlash for it.

If Obama is not legit, then by all means lets get him out of there. But things will get ugly, thinking differently is insane.

I don't think it will fall to Biden, it will either go to McCain or there will be a special election, I'm not sure on the policy for a situation like this.

On a side note, I am happy to see the Birthers finally bring forth some evidence. This is much better to debate than opinions.

I read that this has been filed in court, can someone tell me which court will be hearing it and any other details that could help me follow this more closely?



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 05:29 PM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 05:30 PM
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I feel so privileged being part of this historic event. Somehow, we, the members of a conspiracy website forum we're the first ones to discover this doc, and without any qualifications determine it's authenticity. All happened in this internet forum.

Now let's go kick him out!

Seriously though, all of this document studying and analyzing, does anyone really know what they're talking about? Any real experts here?



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 05:30 PM
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Originally posted by Maj35t1cI2
I can't believe how ignorant you people are! Who cares if he's native born first off? Second, it's already been CONFIRMED that he's born in the US. Hawaii is his official place of birth, get over it you racists.


Your first 2 sentences are perhaps the most oxy-moronic I have ever read. Of course, it was unentitional on your part. First you accuse people of being ignorant. Then you state it makes no difference where he was born. And that's where the ignorance comes in. If he was not born in the U.S., then he is not eligible for the office of the Presidency, per our Constitution. Game over. Got it?

Secondly, the statements from the Hawaii officials have been somewhat vague. Things could be considerably cleared up if Obama would release his FULL birth certificate.

Finally, those who want the truth are "racists"? As far as I am concerned, Obama isn't even black, ok? Does that make you feel better? You are the one hung up on race, but Obama is as much white as he is black. And even if he weren't 50/50, I could care less about the color of skin.

The truth shall set you free.



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 05:31 PM
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Originally posted by GLDNGUN

Originally posted by truthtothemasses
reply to post by Truth4hire
 


It's already been established beyond any doubt that Kenya was not a republic until Dec. 12 1964. The document was allegedly signed on Feb 17. 1964 when Kenya was not a republic. This was established pages ago. You've been on this thread for awhile now, what's the matter? This is a faked document.


FAIL.

The Republic of Kenya declared it’s independence in 1963 and acted independantly from that point on.


Fail?

I just stated a fact. Kenya WAS NOT a republic until Dec. 12, 1964. They gained their independence on Dec. 12, 1963 is also a fact. Now the arguement is did they have the "Repubic of Kenya" on government documents before they were actually declared a repuplic or not, is a legitimate topic. But I did not "fail" as you see it.



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