Originally posted by Ahabstar
I see many mentions of a Natural Born Citizen must have both parents as US Citizens...simply not true. A Natural Born Citizen is anyone born on US
soil and does not renounce his/her US Citizenship.
For example, all those "anchor babies" are all Natural born Citizens eventhough one or both parents may have come here illegally. And despite their
family background, they are all eligible to become POTUS.
In the instance of John McCain, both military bases and embassies are considered US Soil. With that in mind, an attack or either should have the same
weight as a direct assault on say Wichita, Kansas. However some law professors are not as knowledgeable as others while holding the office of POTUS.
You are simply WRONG! What you are claiming to be as Natural Born is nothing but merely NATIVE born! There is a big difference between being a native
born, or considered to be a citizen simply because you were born here, but it has nothing to do with being a "Natural Born Citizen" under the
constitution to be eligible to serve as POTUS.
The constitution does in fact define what a Natural Born Citizen is!
THE CONSTITUTION DOES INDEED DEFINE NATURAL BORN CITIZEN AS BORN OF 2 US CITIZEN PARENTS AND ‘IN COUNTRY’, further it defines allegiance by
The Constitution and de Vattel’s Law of Nations has the answer to any questions regarding citizenship abroad and any laws crossing national
EXCERPT 1. U.S. Constitution, Article II, §1:
No Person except a natural born Citizen, OR a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the
Office of President;
EXCERPT 2: de Vattel’s Law of Nations circa 1758 Book 1, Chapter XIX, § 212:
The natives, or NATURAL-BORN CITIZENS, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens…The country of the fathers is therefore that of
the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent.
Finally, the main item in the Constitution that ties both together:
EXCERPT 3: U.S. Constitution, Article I, §8:
The Congress shall have Power…To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations
Yes, Law of Nations is CAPITALIZED, meaning our framers were citing a proper name. There was only one Law of Nations in 1787 officially declared. And
yes, Congress has the power to create and enforce ANY LAW mentioned in the Law of Nations written by Emmerich de Vattel! It was sitting right under
our noses the entire time.
US Citizen is defined by the 14th amendment.
Natural Born Citizen is defined by The Law Of Nations, which is cited in the Constitution as its very basis.
Not only does the Law of Nations state that a natural born citizen is born in country of two citizen parents, it ALSO says that the patrilineage
determines allegiance, meaning Barack’s father who was British/Kenyan determined Obama’s citizenship.
“In God We Trust” (and ONLY God!)
Constitution for the United States of America
Section. 8. The Congress shall have Power
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;
Law of Nations
OF OUR NATIVE COUNTRY, AND SEVERAL THINGS THAT RELATE TO IT.
§ 211. What is our country.
THE whole of the countries possessed by a nation and subject to its laws, forms, as we have already said, its territory, and is the common country of
all the individuals of the nation. We have been obliged to anticipate the definition of the term, native country (§ 122), because our subject led us
to treat of the love of our country — a virtue so excellent and so necessary in a state. Supposing, then, this definition already known, it remains
that we should explain several things that have a relation to this subject, and answer the questions that naturally arise from it.
§ 212. Citizens and natives.
The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in
its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents (parentS as Plural meaning TWO Citizen ParentS) who
are citizens. (citizenS as in Plural again, meaning TWO citizen parents) As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the
children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to
desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into
society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become
true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and
what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father
who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.
§ 213. Inhabitants.
The inhabitants, as distinguished from citizens, are foreigners, who are permitted to settle and stay in the country. Bound to the society by their
residence, they are subject to the laws of the state while they reside in it; and they are obliged to defend it, because it grants them protection,
though they do not participate in all the rights of citizens. They enjoy only the advantages which the law or custom gives them. The perpetual
inhabitants are those who have received the right of perpetual residence. These are a kind of citizens of an inferior order, and are united to the
society without participating in all its advantages. Their children follow the condition of their fathers; and, as the state has given to these the
right of perpetual residence, their right passes to their posterity.
§ 214. Naturalization.(58)
A nation, or the sovereign who represents it, may grant to a foreigner the quality of citizen, by admitting him into the body of the political
society. This is called naturalization. There are some states in which the sovereign cannot grant to a foreigner all the rights of citizens, — for
example, that of holding public offices — and where, consequently, he has the power of granting only an imperfect naturalization. It is here a
regulation of the fundamental law, which limits the power of the prince. In other states, as in England and Poland, the prince cannot naturalize a
single person, without the concurrence of the nation, represented by its deputies. Finally, there are states, as, for instance, England, where the
single circumstance of being born in the country naturalizes the children of a foreigner.
§ 215. Children of citizens born in a foreign country.
It is asked whether the children born of citizens in a foreign country are citizens? The laws have decided this question in several countries, and
their regulations must be followed.(59) By the law of nature alone, children follow the condition of their fathers, and enter into all their rights
(§ 212); the place of birth produces no change in this particular, and cannot, of itself, furnish any reason for taking from a child what nature has
given him; I say “of itself,” for, civil or political laws may, for particular reasons, ordain otherwise. But I suppose that the father has not
entirely quitted his country in order to settle elsewhere. If he has fixed his abode in a foreign country, he is become a member of another society,
at least as a perpetual inhabitant; and his children will be members of it also.
§ 216. Children born at sea.
As to children born at sea, if they are born in those parts of it that are possessed by their nation, they are born in the country: if it is on the
open sea, there is no reason to make a distinction between them and those who are born in the country; for, naturally, it is our extraction, not the
place of our birth, that gives us rights: and if the children are born in a vessel belonging to the nation, they may be reputed born in its
territories; for, it is natural to consider the vessels of a nation as parts of its territory, especially when they sail upon a free sea, since the
state retains its jurisdiction over those vessels. And as, according to the commonly received custom, this jurisdiction is preserved over the vessels,
even in parts of the sea subject to a foreign dominion, all the children born in the vessels of a nation are considered as born in its territory. For
the same reason, those born in a foreign vessel are reputed born in a foreign country, unless their birth took place in a port belonging to their own
nation; for, the port is more particularly a part of the territory; and the mother, though at that moment on board a foreign vessel, is not on that
account out of the country. I suppose that she and her husband have not quitted their native country to settle elsewhere.
§ 217. Children born in the armies of the state.
For the same reasons also, children born out of the country, in the armies of the state, or in the house of its minister at a foreign court, are
reputed born in the country; for a citizen who is absent with his family, on the service of the state, but still dependent on it, and subject to its
jurisdiction, cannot be considered as having quitted its territory.
§ 218. Settlement.
Settlement is a fixed residence in any place, with an intention of always staying there. A man does not, then, establish his settlement in any place,
unless he makes sufficiently known his intention of fixing there, either tacitly or by an express declaration. However, this declaration is no reason
why, if he afterwards changes his mind, he may not transfer his settlement elsewhere. In this sense, a person who stops at a place upon business, even
though he stay a long time, has only a simple habitation there, but has no settlement. Thus, the envoy of a foreign prince has not his settlement at
the court where he resides.
The natural, or original settlement, is that which we acquire by birth, in the place where our father has his; and we are considered as retaining it,
till we have abandoned it, in order to choose another. The acquired settlement (adscititium) is that where we settle by our own choice.
§ 219. Vagrants.
Vagrants are people who have no settlement. Consequently, those born of vagrant parents have no country, since a man’s country is the place where,
at the time of his birth, his parents had their settlement (§ 122), or it is the state of which his father was then a member, which comes to the same
point; for, to settle for ever in a nation, is to become a member of it, at least as a perpetual inhabitant, if not with all the privileges of a
citizen. We may, however, consider the country of a vagrant to be that of his child, while that vagrant is considered as not having absolutely
renounced his natural or original settlement.
Constitution for the United States of America
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the
Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been
fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
This means only one of two things: Obama can only be a citizen at best, IF he was in fact born in the US….OR…..Obama is nothing but a
But regardless of where Obama was born, even if in the Whitehouse in front of Congress, he is NOT in any way shape or form a NATURAL Born Citizen as
defined in the Constitution and is not eligible to be POTUS. In fact, this without question makes him guilty of TREASON!