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NYCCAN Petition drive.. Epic FAIL!

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posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 10:31 AM
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The NYC response to the NYCCAN Petition drive was not a favorable one for the truthers. It seems thousands of the signatures they collected were not valid. This was only one of several problems with their requests. They have filed an appeal, but it appears that too will be shot down. Here is the two page letter from the city clerk outlining the flawed petition:

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Seems the Truth Movement hired another idiot attorney who they touted as "the best election lawyer in NYC" knows nothing about law. Dennis P. McMahon is the petitioners attorney.



Dennis P. McMahon is a writer, editor, and attorney living in Brooklyn, New York.

After experiencing what he would later describe as spontaneous mystical events, Dennis became deeply involved in seeking explanations thru shamanism, past-life regressions, communications with the dead, and the like. Part of his process is to share what he has perceived and learned, reflecting the tradition of sharing practiced for thousands of years among members of indigenous societies who recognize that the sharing of mystical experiences benefits the human condition.


www.journeyintothemystic.com...

Back to the drawing board truthers. You failed.... again.




posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 10:44 AM
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Originally posted by CameronFox
Back to the drawing board truthers. You failed.... again.

Gotta love the continued attacks from the debunker camp. All you can do is attack instead of refute the evidence.

Your lack of respect for the victims' families, the first responders, and the survivors, tells us everything we need to know about you.



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 10:52 AM
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posted by CameronFox
Back to the drawing board truthers. You failed.... again.


posted by _BoneZ_
Gotta love the continued attacks from the debunker camp. All you can do is attack instead of refute the evidence.

Your lack of respect for the victims' families, the first responders, and the survivors, tells us everything we need to know about you.




Yeah CameronFox. Why do you duhbunkers always display such blatant hatred for the direct victims of the 9-11 perps, and the surviving families of the victims, and the survivors, and the 1st responders?



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 11:04 AM
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You know the strangest thing is, in around 100 years from now if we last that long there will be people screaming "show me proof those towers were even destroyed".

It really would not surprise me.

The term "Truthers" is yet another example of media propoganda. If Nasa can lose footage of the moon landing you can bet the twin tower footage will be missing in the future. Skip a few generations and it all gets swept under the carpet.

Maybe, just maybe, the truth might end up littering the bottom pages of an article years from now when half the world is not even aware of what is going on right now.

Very sad when its already starting to take shape in less than a decade after the event.

[edit on 2-8-2009 by XXXN3O]



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 11:17 AM
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Three responses. Not one on topic.

This shown the knowledge (or lack there of) that the truth movement has in regards to reality. It proves another epic fail of the the TM.

This thread is regarding the failure of NYCCAN petition and the idiot they retained for their legal venture. The NYCCAN is just another group that is looking for money. Similar to that of Richard Gage I assume... know what I mean, "Mr. Sustaining Member?"



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 11:20 AM
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Originally posted by _BoneZ_
Your lack of respect for the victims' families, the first responders, and the survivors, tells us everything we need to know about you.



We have been over this before:

How many first responders are on the list?

How many victims family members are on the list?

How many survivors?

Your appeal to emotion and poisoning of the well are obvious signs that you agree that once again the TM has failed.



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 11:22 AM
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Originally posted by CameronFox

Originally posted by _BoneZ_
Your lack of respect for the victims' families, the first responders, and the survivors, tells us everything we need to know about you.



We have been over this before:

How many first responders are on the list?

How many victims family members are on the list?

How many survivors?

Your appeal to emotion and poisoning of the well are obvious signs that you agree that once again the TM has failed.


And how many questions have already been answered that 9/11 Deniers don't like?



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 11:25 AM
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Originally posted by CameronFox
Three responses. Not one on topic.

This shown the knowledge (or lack there of) that the truth movement has in regards to reality. It proves another epic fail of the the TM.

This thread is regarding the failure of NYCCAN petition and the idiot they retained for their legal venture. The NYCCAN is just another group that is looking for money. Similar to that of Richard Gage I assume... know what I mean, "Mr. Sustaining Member?"





My response was to SPreston not to you.

Your proving the first two responses to be true about yourself with what you have just typed.

You started a thread that displayed everything that SPreston and _BoneZ_ pointed out.

Finally your latest reply shows just how selfish you really are too think that everyone has to focus on you.

Have a nice day.




posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 11:31 AM
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Originally posted by XXXN3O

You started a thread that displayed everything that SPreston and _BoneZ_ pointed out.


I pointed out that the NYCCAN petition failed,and failed in a major way. Is that a crime?


Finally your latest reply shows just how selfish you really are too think that everyone has to focus on you.


Not on me, Cowboy, the topic. Now, unless you have something to share regarding the failure of NYCCAN, run along.



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 11:34 AM
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Originally posted by CameronFox

Originally posted by XXXN3O

You started a thread that displayed everything that SPreston and _BoneZ_ pointed out.


I pointed out that the NYCCAN petition failed,and failed in a major way. Is that a crime?


Finally your latest reply shows just how selfish you really are too think that everyone has to focus on you.


Not on me, Cowboy, the topic. Now, unless you have something to share regarding the failure of NYCCAN, run along.


Who mentioned you commiting a crime? Are you feeling guilty now after what you posted?

You make me laugh.

Its manners to wish someone else a nice day.

Seeya later Cowboy.



[edit on 2-8-2009 by XXXN3O]



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 11:37 AM
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Originally posted by XXXN3O


Who mentioned you commiting [sic] a crime? Are you feeling guilty now after what you posted?



Yeah, I am feeling so guilty that I posted more facts regarding additional failures of the TM.

You have a nice day too!



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 12:28 PM
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Actually your thread fails on 2 points.

1) Your lack of any type of maturity.

2) You make the claims that this event happened due to their choice of legal representation. Now you have proved how much of an idiot you are by talking about others failures. If you bothered to do any research at all you would see that they retained legal representation after the petition was declined, for their future court date in August.

The only epic fail has been the day your mother brought you into this world.

Get a life.



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 12:30 PM
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posted by _BoneZ_
Your lack of respect for the victims' families, the first responders, and the survivors, tells us everything we need to know about you.



posted by CameronFox

How many first responders are on the list?

How many victims family members are on the list?

How many survivors?



I already posted that CameronFox and you know it don't you? Lots of them are signatories, and as the 1st responders recover after being targeted for years with gag orders and after having their 504 testimonies and 19,000 pages of testimony describing explosions and demolition within the WTC ignored by the 9-11 Whitewash Commission; there may well be far more 1st responders signing right up.

post by SPreston

You stayed clear of that thread didn't you CameronFox? I wonder why?

Was it because the thread was posted by a NYPD 1st responder?



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 12:38 PM
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Originally posted by SPreston


I already posted that CameronFox and you know it don't you?


Sorry, no I didn't.


Lots of them are signatories,


Can you point out a few please?



and as the 1st responders recover after being targeted for years with gag orders


Really, and you have proof of the alleged gag orders? The so called "whitewash?"



You stayed clear of that thread didn't you CameronFox? I wonder why?


If you started the thread, it is obvious why I stood clear of it. You parrot the same lines over and over. You post the same slogans over and over. Sorry Preston...your act got old a long time ago.



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 12:41 PM
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Originally posted by prepare4it777


2) You make the claims that this event happened due to their choice of legal representation. If you bothered to do any research at all you would see that they retained legal representation after the petition was declined, for their future court date in August.


The didn't hire an attorney prior to submitting a petition to the city clerks office? THEN they choose an attorney that seeks out dead people.

Yeah, I'm the idiot.



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 12:45 PM
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No, they didn't hire the attorney until after the petition was denied. Which part of the English language do you not understand?

And why are you posting duplicate threads? Can't be original? Thats pretty pathetic.

[edit on 2-8-2009 by prepare4it777]



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 09:55 PM
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posted by CameronFox

How many first responders are on the list?

How many victims family members are on the list?

How many survivors?


posted by SPreston

I already posted that CameronFox and you know it don't you?


posted by CameronFox
Sorry, no I didn't.


posted by SPreston

Lots of them are signatories,


posted by CameronFox

Can you point out a few please?


I did CameronFox. I gave the link to where I listed the victim's families and survivors and 1st responders petitioning an investigation in New York. There are 113 petitioners from the 9-11 families and survivors and 1st responders so far. Overall there are 72,748 signers to the petition to date.

Petitioners




posted by SPreston

You stayed clear of that thread didn't you CameronFox? I wonder why?

Was it because the thread was posted by a NYPD 1st responder?



posted by CameronFox
If you started the thread, it is obvious why I stood clear of it. You parrot the same lines over and over. You post the same slogans over and over. Sorry Preston...your act got old a long time ago.



No CameronFox I did not start that thread. It was started by one of the NYPD 1st responders trying to get a real investigation into 9-11 in New York.

samhouston1886

NYC CAN Plaintiffs Take City to Court

Are you going over to that thread CameronFox, to call the 9-11 victims' families and the survivors and the 1st responders a bunch of names for trying to achieve justice and a real investigation into 9-11?

You call yourself an American?



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 11:05 PM
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I have an on topic response.

The collected 50,000 signatures for a cause they believe in and used a peaceful means. They will appeal and possibly lose, its how the legal system works. Its a lot of work, and if you think it's an "epic fail" maybe you should look into some of the things that started out as a petition that failed the first time around.




CARSON CITY -- Three petitions signed by an estimated 130,000 registered voters and backed by Las Vegas Sands Inc. cannot appear on the November election ballot because their circulators did not follow the signature collection law, the Nevada Supreme Court ruled Thursday.
The 7-0 decision kills two petitions that would have given voters a chance to decide whether to divert some room tax money from the Las Vegas Convention and Visitors Authority to state education, transportation and public safety programs.
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The third petition would have let voters decide whether to require a two-thirds vote requirement for ballot questions that seek to raise taxes.
The petition gathering effort was bankrolled by Sands Chairman Sheldon Adelson whose convention operations compete with the publicly funded convention authority.
Former state Controller Steve Martin, who led the effort to put the room tax petitions on the ballot, said the real losers are the voters.
"There were mistakes made on all sides, from the secretary of state on down, but the real losers are the Nevada voters," he said. "We had 130,000 voters sign the petitions. We are disenfranchising 130,000 voters."
While the new law was designed to prevent fraud, Martin said he and his circulators never were accused of fraud.
Martin hopes to circulate the same petitions in 2010 if he can find financial backing.


Just showing by example how this is common practice.



posted on Aug, 3 2009 @ 07:37 AM
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Originally posted by jprophet420
I have an on topic response.

Its a lot of work, and if you think it's an "epic fail" maybe you should look into some of the things that started out as a petition that failed the first time around.


Irrelevant.

It's an epic fail because those responsible for organizing the petition and making sure the petition adhered to all rules and requirements failed to do their jobs.

Get over it.



posted on Aug, 3 2009 @ 08:39 AM
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posted by CameronFox

The NYC response to the NYCCAN Petition drive was not a favorable one for the truthers. It seems thousands of the signatures they collected were not valid. This was only one of several problems with their requests. They have filed an appeal, but it appears that too will be shot down. Here is the two page letter from the city clerk outlining the flawed petition:



We all know how the corrupt DemoPublican political hacks invalidate American citizen petition signatures, dont we?

If a person has a similar name to a convicted felon; invalidate it.

If two persons have almost the same name; invalidate them both.

If a person refuses to swear allegiance to the DemoPublican Party; invalidate it.

Belong to a 3rd party; invalidate it.

Flip a coin on every 5th signature; invalidate it.

A person did not bother to vote in the mid-term elections; invalidate it.

We know how the corrupt DemoPublican process works.

Go ahead CameronFox; call the WTC survivors, 1st responders, and victims families a bunch of names and show your true colors. They are just trying to get a real investigation into the crime of 9-11; and I don't see what you duhbunkers are so frightened of if your cause is so just.




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