don't forget the golden dawn

In my opinion, the teacher is already there, surrounding you and informing you in public even, right out in the open. It is just that the student who is not ready yet can not hear it. The language is what you need to learn.

If you go to a foreign country people will be speaking all around you and you won't get any of it. You first need to learn the language. Then you can hear the people conversing on the streets and read the newspapers and the books and watch the television channels and listen to the radio stations and have a chance to comprehend.

Originally posted by Animal
Thanks. I have been tossing Fm around for months and this has defiantly swayed me.

It is often said that Masonry is a system of morality veiled in allegory and illustrated by symbols. And that's exactly why I joined. In the first degree, for instance, you're presented with a 24 inch ruler and told "The twenty-four-inch gauge is an instrument made use of by operative masons to measure and lay out their work; but we, as Free and Accepted Masons, are taught to make use of it for the more noble and glorious purpose of dividing our time. It being divided into twenty-four equal parts, is emblematical of the twenty-four hours of the day which we are taught to divide into three parts, whereby we find a portion for the service of God and the relief of a distressed worthy brother, a portion for our usual avocations, and a portion for refreshment and sleep."

Obviously you don't have to literally divide your day into 3 equal parts of 8 hours each, but it does remind you to live a balanced life, don't spend all of your time at your job' and give back to your community and your family. That resonated with me on a personal level. Maybe it wouldn't mean the same to you, but one of the other symbols might.

Originally posted by THX-1138
In my opinion, the teacher is already there, surrounding you and informing you in public even, right out in the open. It is just that the student who is not ready yet can not hear it. The language is what you need to learn.

The teacher appears within one's own mindfulness. It really is no more complicated than that. Hmmm...one need not climb a mountain to climb a mountain!

what you have to know is this...

all those men in those societies, all societies for that matter are familiar with the real deal, and by that they know there is duality and so do we here. the only difference? they worship dark masters.

I was asked to join a lodge a few years ago by the head honcho a few years back when i was selling insurance in a call centre. After a few seconds with a "deep" dude like this guy we naturally go in the topic of life, good, evil. govt. you know.

at the end he says "yeah, come down sometime and i'll show you around" thats Verbatum folks.

These people have rituals, worship stuff, and their lodges are full of checkers and all we read about.

the more willing souls behind this power the greater they are, they WANT you to join. do you know how easy it is to join?

not for me, i follow the light, and i dont mean lucifer

I would ask yourself, what are you looking for in a "secret society". There is much knowledge to be learned, but only if your intentions are pure.

Do you want to know "secrets", or do you want to know yourself and the laws of nature?

Do you crave secret and clandestine rituals, or are you seeking traditions passed down through generations?

Examine yourself before you examine the groups.

Originally posted by Epsillion70
"To whom much is given as much will be required.

Multiply? "As much" requires as much reinterpretation.

There are those who want truly but do they really truly want.

You mean gold from lead and iron? Fools!

If outer worldly perception is ones guide then blindness will surely be ones Master.

Bananas! Raise the potassium and the mosquitos viciously attack!

Those who simply are in the now and observe everything and anything around their own constellation in time and space are on the way in and out.

Oh gorsh, they must want me to read my horoscope.

"Trying to find knowledge is like the Caterpillar trying to find itself as a Butterfly. It just happens"

Yeah, I know that one, that's for sure. Taking stock as each milestone, say once a year, and I find myself going, "How the heck did I get here?"

Oh, well. Keep moving.

What a trip.

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan

Originally posted by zetamafia911
I'm almost certain that most the people that sign up on ATS are looking for the information that you mention; so you aren't alone

Everyone knows groups with true power exist behind the scenes.

It isn't power that they hide. It is knowledge. THe sacred knowledge of Nature.

check out www.truth-revelations.com
sacred knowledge

I believe all the esoteric knowledge and mysteries of the universe are right in front of us to discover.

Freemasonry has helped me a bit on my journey but I have learned more from what the masonic lessons pointed me to research on my own.

Basically I think it can all be summed up as:

"As above, so below."

In other words, humans are immortal spiritual beings. Every day we see more and more evidence that we only know, and experience, a tiny fraction of what is actually around us.

Take 'dark matter' for example. For years the majority of the matter in the universe was 'missing'. It wasn't actually missing, we just couldn't see it.

And while all religions and mystery schools take different paths to get there, you will find some common characteristics among them all, namely:

1) There is a supreme, omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent original Creator of everything in the Universe. Whether it's a personality or simply a creative force almost all schools of thought have this conclusion.

2) Mankind has a dual nature. We are both spiritual and physical. (as above, so below).

3) The Spiritual part of Man survives mortal death to progress onward to some unknown but presumably marvelous destiny.

All of the great Teachers of mankind have said the same thing over and over. The truth is right there in front of you.

As humans we incarnate to learn one lesson that is more important than all others - To love one another.

In Freemasonry this is summed up as "The Brotherhood of Man, under the Fatherhood of God."

In Christianity it is summed up as "A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. "

Judaism - "Look now toward heaven and count the stars/So shall be your progeny."

Islam - "…God, the One and Only; God, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him."

Buddhism - "There is a safe place in view of all, but difficult of approach, where there is no old age nor death, no pain nor disease. It is what is called Nirvâna, or freedom from pain, or perfection, which is in view of all; it is the safe, happy, and quiet place which the great sages reach. That is the eternal place, in view of all, but difficult of approach. Those sages who reach it are free from sorrows, they have put an end to the stream of existence. "


The need for 'secret societies' and 'mystery schools' has existed since the beginning of mankind. When those who seek power over others learn the powerful truth that all of us transcend death and our human existence, they try to control that knowledge and keep it from the common people.

This knowledge that no matter what happens on earth we will survive removes fear and doubt, and releases a sense of obligation to the temporal government.

Churches and governments rule by fear (hell, imprisonment, sanction). The impose requirements to attain "salvation" or reward. They limit and confine descriptions of God and hold immortality only for those few who fall in line and believe as prescribed.

The mystery schools leave it up to the individual to interpret the "truth" but through initiation and ritual they provide a symbolic path so that the "truth" can be discovered.

Hell is a human construct. There is no such place. This hell concept has held us in slavery to dogma for centuries.

In the end a person must take the lessons they have learned on this world and add that to their previous spiritual development.

If you set aside all doubt and fear for just a moment and consider that all the pain, suffering, evil and darkness of this world are only temporary... that death is not an end, but a change... that you will once again see and love those you have known in this life... That you will exist far beyond your earthly existence... and the Creative force that made you loves you and wants you to love others...

Well, something miraculous happens. Even if it's only for a moment, a human can glimpse a sense of calm and illumination. Money, disease, war, pain, illness, crime... though painful are all temporary.

Ultimately no man can hold dominion over you. No religion, no government, no secret society, no church.

The truth is that we are all endowed with free will and with (depending on your viewpoint) a fragment of "God" or spirit. Whether it's an energy pattern, some undiscovered particle or something that can't even be described or measured it can be felt.

So... after that long novel :-)... no matter how they try to guide or inform I believe all mystery schools and secret societies lead you to a similar belief - that we have a greater purpose than our mundane physical existence.

Originally posted by Animal
Is there a valid group that can be accessed by a individual like myself that would truly grant me access to such information.
[edit on 1-8-2009 by Animal]

We're here animal, didn't you know you allready accessed? pray and beg for wisdom! It will be granted. keep on knocking, doors will be opened to you. Hunger! Hunger for it! I know you do. rrrrrrrr, really hungry now. Oops, another insight sprouted again in my brain. I love this blessing. Good luck!