Debunking ET, 1947-2009 :'Flying Saucers' Do Not Exist But They Are Dangerous And Rapacious To Men

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Agreed.

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If you have a problem remembering his name then add him as a foe so you can look back and remeber his name. I like what he is talking about it is very interesting and I hope it continues. Its not that hard to search things for your self if your not sure what someone is trying to talk about...



PEACE!!!

[edit on 07/16/2009 by Lichter daraus]

reply to post by Sol12

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Wanderer.

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What proof do I have?

Well, no need to worry here,
I'm not going to 'confess' to you
that I would be 'a contactee'.

What I can say, is that my inner conviction about
what I write here, is a result of what I feel.

I also know, that our deepest convictions
exist beyond the 'world of words',
and they exist seemingly unuttered.

I can strangely feel the truth of ET's presence.

It is this inner conviction, that drives me
to explore a multitude of subjects.

Also, like many here probably,
I have spend hours gazing at strange
distant 'wandering lights' in the night sky,
never being quite sure about
what I was looking at.

Just recently, several nights in a row,
some bright white lighted orbs were slowly
passing over my house, in Eastern direction.

One had a tiny object flying, in sync,
right in front of it, at a certain distance.

Leaving me wandering, once again.

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reply to post by Lichter daraus


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Lichter daraus,

You may like to read this:

Cropcircles: Secrets and Mysteries of Planetary Dreamers.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

It is a thread I posted a few weeks ago,
and it explores, among other things,
some of what I wrote about in my previous post.

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Awesome thanks for the link...


PEACE!!!

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In response to, in order of appearance:

Sam60, nightmare_david, Imsam,kinda kurious,
fleabit, haydn_17, rich23, zorgon, jkrog08.

And to whom else it be of concern.

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I actually started this thread,
while still 'rolling over the floor' laughing.

I just think, the quote is brilliant and funny.

And, no one can deal with it?

No relevant answers, no rebuttal.

Well,

I feel, I made my subject clear right from the start.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/fa8b3834b1d7.jpg[/atsimg]

Is it really all that fair to accuse 'me',
of playing mind-games,
for wanting to stick to my subject?

Taunt me once..



Thanks again.

Lucky we are,
you guys aren't actually working at the fire department.

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[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/35e3d826cf62.jpg[/atsimg]

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p.s:

Are wee a loan, sow know body yells nose of hour eggs is tense?

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reply to post by Lichter daraus


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I recently had an interesting conversation with
Zorgon, on another thread.

I feel, it is relevant to add part of it here,
as it relates to my previous post on 'proof' regarding
beliefs and convictions.

If you would want to read the entire original context
of these posts you can check here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I'll add in my next post.

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An interesting conversation.

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This is what started out the initial conversation,

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Originally posted by Zorgon
"In amongst the garbage the gems are hidden.
It is up to us to separate them"

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I wrote the following response to this:

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I agree with that statement.

It's the crux of the matter.

Disclosure?

When it comes to ET,
the 'PTB' have not much to disclose really.

Sure, they could finally admit, we are not alone.

That's about it.

The GOV has not much of a clue.

Admitting ET, would be like admitting their impotence.

They are ultimately NOT in control of disclosure.

ET is.

Hence, the extreme controversy and spin.

Most, if not all the relevant facts the GOV has,
are already available in the public domain.

They just haven't been labeled 'officially' as facts yet.

To complicate matters,

Some non-facts are 'officially' being labeled as facts.

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So, how do we set out to find those gems?

Not even Jesus Christ and Albert Einstein
claimed to have perfect knowledge.

So, are we to blindly 'trust' our lesser brethren,
when it comes to truth finding?

Let's put the issue of 'trust' aside.

The problem is not 'trust',
the issue is rather, imperfect knowledge.

It is easy to design an internally logical model of a reality.

If you would only look at the model, it may
appear to be ticking like a clock work.

When correlated to (an aspect of) reality,
it may turn out to be entirely useless.

Truth finding, is not about finding facts only.

Facts too, reflect imperfect knowledge.

Facts can, and facts do change,
and they grow old and obsolete.

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The ultimate cause of finding the right answers,
is asking the right questions.

Besides the importance of being very
critical about the answers one finds,
it is even more important to be very critical
about the kind of questions that are being
raised or ignored.

If one fails to ask the right questions,
very likely, the relevant facts will be missed.

One may end up wasting time and resources,
on exploring useless questions,
and gathering irrelevant answers.

I question the questions.
I question the answers.
I may answer some questions.

At times, it's just fun to play.

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What followed was a response
revolving around the question:

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"how do we set out to find those gems?"

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Originally posted by Zorgon
"You start a website to collect them and by the power of
attraction, gems will find you. It is the only reason I am still

here at ATS"

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Here is where I continued:

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I love the fact you've brought the
principles of repulsion and attraction
into this.

Very apt.

Is there any profounder enigma?

According to Ed Leedskalnin,
it is the secret to the the Universe.

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Regarding Jesus Christ and Albert Einstein:

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Originally posted by Zorgon
"they gave us the clue to reality, if we only learn to look"

Agreed.

One reason I chose them as examples is
hoping no one was going to complain
about books/videos being sold..

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Originally posted by Zorgon
Only problem is the chaos that will happen when many learn
this truth and have not yet learned the skill or the wisdom to
use it wisely...

And THAT, my friend is the reason secret societies were created

Agreed.

But, it is also the reason why people need
to be educated and informed.

Chaos is created by keeping people uninformed and uneducated.

Since Christ entered this world,

"Secret Societies" no longer serve any real purpose and
they were abandoned by their caretakers long ago.

These 'societies' have either been usurped
or re-invented by ordinary worldly powers.
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The usurpers goal is to hide the Truth,
instead of preserving it, and passing it on.

The 'old school' is about Initiation through study/ritual.

The 'new school' is about Initiation by experience/action.

One can say,

It is a 'blasphemy' to look for priests, mediators
and authorities, and not to educate our 'lesser brethren'.

It's up to each one of us, now.

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[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/5eb2cdd607cd.jpg[/atsimg]

Athos, Greece.

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I have recently started a new thread,
where I explain my point of view about the message
as presented by Benjamin Creme and Share International,
regarding Maitreya and ET's presence.

It is personal, and just for consideration.

If you want, you can check it out here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

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That will be a highlight....

reply to post by Sam60


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Thanks for bumping my thread Sam.

You are always welcome here, you know it.



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Originally posted by Sol12
But, it is also the reason why people need to be educated and informed.......
Chaos is created by keeping people uninformed and uneducated.

So you agree with that logic yet play games? You don't share, teach or inform.

A tad ironic don't you think?

BTW, Today while I was attending my weekly therapy session, I took the liberty of discussing your case with my shrink.

The superiority complex, the taunts, the cryptic messages the compulsive use of ellipsis. (...)

Not to alarm you Sol12, but he said it sounds like a brain tumor.

Have a nice day...KK

reply to post by kinda kurious


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I don't mean to alarm you here but
the fact that you admit needing
weekly therapy sessions means that
we should all take your advice
with a grain of salt?

Or maybe with a pinch of humor?



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reply to post by Sol12


Hint, take the humor route, I am on a low sodium diet.

Try as I might to dismiss you and grasp your "unique" posting style, I see your tone has changed a bit in your later posts on this and other threads. I am sharpening my slack cutting utensil.

Besides anyone who gets along with Zorgon is A=OK in my book. Not to mention Ed Leedskalnin is one of my all-time freaky dude heros. He was DEFINITELY tapped into earth's abundant energy.

Regards. . . KK (I'll alert my shrink you've been cured.)

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Originally posted by kinda kurious
reply to post by Sol12

 

Hint, take the humor route, I am on a low sodium diet.

Regards. . . KK (I'll alert my shrink you've been cured.)

[edit on 7-8-2009 by kinda kurious]

Thanks KK.



I really appreciate.

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reply to post by kinda kurious


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KK,

You do raise a valid point though.

Here is what I want to tell you,

As I've tried to indicate,
the information I give, is besides being personal,
also Universal, as much of it it is being distributed
freely around the Planet, throughout the Ages, in several
variations, by thousands of different people and groups,
each differing only in flavor, emphasis and focus.

One can say that:

We are being handed the keys to
The secrets to the Universe.

However,

It is up to each of us, to enter the Doors.

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Steve Quayle claims they come with fork and knife.

They are going to eat us.

TO SERVE MAN The must have Galactic Cookbook.

Originally posted by Sol12
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In response to, in order of appearance:

Sam60, nightmare_david, Imsam,kinda kurious,
fleabit, haydn_17, rich23, zorgon, jkrog08.

And to whom else it be of concern.

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I actually started this thread,
while still 'rolling over the floor' laughing.

I just think, the quote is brilliant and funny.

And, no one can deal with it?

No relevant answers, no rebuttal.

Well,

I feel, I made my subject clear right from the start.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/fa8b3834b1d7.jpg[/atsimg]

Is it really all that fair to accuse 'me',
of playing mind-games,
for wanting to stick to my subject?

Taunt me once..

Thanks again.

Lucky we are,
you guys aren't actually working at the fire department.

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[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/35e3d826cf62.jpg[/atsimg]

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p.s:

Are wee a loan, sow know body yells nose of hour eggs is tense?

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I know I'm late in replying to this, but I never once taunted you or accused you of playing mind-games. Don't say I did things I never did. Now you're lying about me and I don't appreciate that at all.

What I said was that your posting style using all this stuff:

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Is annoying and that you were being rude and arrogant in your replies to the people who didn't understand whatever point you were trying to make because of how you were posting it.

I never accused you of playing mind-games or taunted you. The post of yours I'm replying to is more of a taunt than anything I ever said.



[edit on 9-8-2009 by nightmare_david]

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You are indeed a bit late here David.

As far as I'm concerned,
I have put the episode aside.
and just leave it for what it was.

It seems things only got a little tense
in here, as we were all trying to get acquainted.

The good part is , in the end we all had a good laugh about it.

Well, at least I did.



There are great Hearts and Minds here,
and I'm happy to be part of that.


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