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9 11 The Whole World Knows Even The French Get It ( 1) (9/11 TRUTH SERIES)

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posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 10:27 AM
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I think if you were a part of the coverup, then you'd already know that TPTB will kill you without thinking twice. That would be my price... keep my mouth shut or me and my family die.




posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 10:48 AM
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Why???

To manufacture consent for a farcical war on terror of course. They needed a big event and a bad guy to chase so they could expand the empire.

Osama Bin Laden was a CIA tactician that was given billions to fight the soviets in the Afghan war. He is not the one responsible for 911 and has stated so. I believe he is dead as was mentioned by Benezhir Bhutto just before she was suspiciously murdered.

Here is a picture of 2 men. The one on the right is the real Osama. The one on the left is the double they used in the 'admission tape.'






The inbred, megalomaniacal puppeteers that orchestrated 911 seem to have one thing in mind and that is global domination. What else right???
Incremental steps are taken as they pave the path to totalitarianism.

"The New World Order will have to be built from the bottom up rather than from the top down...but in the end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece will accomplish much more than the old fashioned frontal assault." CFR member Richard Gardner, writing in the April l974 issue of the CFR's journal, Foreign Affairs.

Here is a short clip that explains a lot.



This is psychological and class warfare on a whole new level. We have all been brainwashed and most are still entranced by the hypnotic black box in the corner of the room.

"We shall have world government whether or not you like it, by conquest or consent." Statement by Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) member James Warburg to The Senate Foreign Relations Committee on February 17th, l950

We do not want a one world government run by these guys trust me. If nothing is done to counter the juggernaut that has been set in motion then it will push the masses to the very edge of the cliff. We have the ability to fight back and give ourselves and the future generations the possibility of a better world. Peace




[edit on 2/8/09 by vehemes terra eternus]



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 11:08 AM
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Ok debunkers,

Last page (page 3) I asked you to answer a few questions, and it would seem you want to ignore those questions, and you will probably continue to do so. This is the point in the conversation where you retreat, because these questions are so glaring, that it puts a little lump in your throat when you read them doesnt it?



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 12:45 PM
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Dear masonwatcher,( I am a Master free mason, by the way, and proud of being one), dear patientobserver,
if you, the right-wing extremists, the muslim fanatics and severly paranoids are the "whole world", than you are right.
If you consider also the mentally health persons, than probably less than 1% of the world populace believes in this kind of meaningless blah-blah
Enjoy, but don't waste my time.
Mario

[edit on 2-8-2009 by Mario78]

[edit on 2-8-2009 by Mario78]



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 12:53 PM
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To Manufacture a war? Sorry, I don't buy that. To spend billions and cost more lives?

What is there to gain by those who started it?

Sorry, it does not add up. Who benefits? To start a war just to start a war?


"The inbred, megalomaniacal puppeteers that orchestrated 911 seem to have one thing in mind and that is global domination. What else right???
Incremental steps are taken as they pave the path to totalitarianism."

Did you actually write this? This statement of yours is dribble. "Global domination" This isn't a James Bond novel or are you an agent of "spectre"?




[edit on 2-8-2009 by tomfrusso]



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 12:57 PM
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To spend billions? Umm when you are profitting on both sides of the war as an arms dealer, then yes it makes perfect sense. Especially when you are the private bankers of the Federal Reserve and you are loaning the american government money at interest to buy all the arms and you win all the way around.

Cost lives? Well the elite have been trying to look for any and all opportunities to depopulate the earth. D. Rockefeller has said it on plenty of occasions.

War gets the oil wells in Irag and gets to drill the pipeline through Afganistan

Add to that the Patriot Act stripping us of our rights by warrantless search and seizures and wire tapping.

Everyone wins but the lowly peons like all of us.

How does this not make any sense?


[edit on 2-8-2009 by prepare4it777]



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 12:58 PM
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I love all the angloworld stereotypes on the French


The French are like anyone, some question the OS, some believe it, some simply want to look away etc...
Actually, there is a total black-out on 9/11 in the MSM in France. You can't question it or you'll be ridiculed and if you're journalist, you're fired. People who raise questions are labeled "conspiracists" and looked at with a smile and a glare of despair in the MSM. The "conspiracists" are grossly mocked. Any discussion about 9/11 is outside the MSM, between friends or in the internet. Pretty much like in the USA.

Just to give background, this comedian Jean-Marie Bigard is very popular and a friend of Sarkozy (that's important, it didn't save him from the fury). He raised questions about the OS last september on a famous TV show, it was a fews days before the 11th, I don't know how the subject was brought up but he reacted to it and gave his opinion. He was instantly mocked by the anchors but fought back with accurate questions and facts like comparing the small budget for the 9/11 investigation and the big budget for the Lewinsky investigation, a terrorist attack and a blow job.
The day after, the MSM destroyed him, press, radio, TV, internet MSM all together. He had a film and a stand-up comedy show coming up at the time. He had to release a statement where he apologized for his comments to tone down the polemic and diffamation campaign.
Since then, he has hinted he apologized because his wife was pregnant. They are trying to have a child for years after numerous attempts and miscarriages so he wanted to avoid all the stress to his wife.
Now, the child is born and he has declared he won't shut up. There will be a new comedy video each friday. Up to now, there are 5 episodes : 1. The Magical passports, 2. The US fighters, 3. Please Obama, 4. Mr Silverstein, 5. Cold-Blooded Bush at the Elementary School. Maybe someone will post the videos, I can't, comp problems. I don't know if it's funny to an english-speaking audience. Humor is difficult to translate in another language.

It's an event, at least in France, someone of his stature and with access to a big audience challenges the OS. It's already an internet buzz but has almost no coverage in the MSM for now.



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 01:11 PM
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Originally posted by tomfrusso
reply to post by vehemes terra eternus
 


To Manufacture a war? Sorry, I don't buy that. To spend billions and cost more lives?

What is there to gain by those who started it?

Sorry, it does not add up. Who benefits? To start a war just to start a war?

[edit on 2-8-2009 by tomfrusso]


The masses paid the price, the few elite gained... very much. It's amazing that pretty much everything can be related to (personal) greed, whether it is political, financial... it's everywhere.

These elites are not Cheney and Rove. They are architects yes, but puppet architects. The people who have the power to decide about major happenings like wars also have the power to make or break people like Bush. Pitiful enough, these people are media shy.

And start and flag for the op.




[edit on 2-8-2009 by Mdv2]



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 01:25 PM
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Originally posted by prepare4it777
reply to post by john124
 


Your posts make no sense, so I won't reply to them anymore. At least Taxi Driver makes plausible arguments. You apparently do not understand what a random poll is.



Yes I understand exactly what a random poll is?

I also understand that polls in the media are specifically worded unambigiously to achieve results that appear more fanciful than would otherwise.

Rather you won't reply because you cannot be bothered to take this in as it may contradict everything you believe in.

I'm not taking any sides here on what happened on 9/11. You cannot associate everyone as true or false on these issues, or believers and sceptics. I'm just pointing out obvious flaws with the poll that you refuse to acknowledge.

The question asks if you think there was a cover-up by the govt. What if somebody interprets this as covering up blunders in intelligence failures due to incompotence, not due to mass murder by the govt.



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 01:27 PM
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Originally posted by patientobserver
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Lets just do this...

Explain to me how building #7 collapsed

Where is the wreckage from flight 93?

How did both towers collapse at freefall speed?

Why were there puddles of melted steel at the base of the tower?

Why can thermite be found in the dust that covered so much of NYC?





[edit on 2-8-2009 by patientobserver]


All have been answered sufficiently many times. And the truthers explanations lack any real science that you can consider proof.

[edit on 2-8-2009 by john124]



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 01:31 PM
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Originally posted by Mdv2

Originally posted by tomfrusso
reply to post by vehemes terra eternus
 


To Manufacture a war? Sorry, I don't buy that. To spend billions and cost more lives?

What is there to gain by those who started it?

Sorry, it does not add up. Who benefits? To start a war just to start a war?

[edit on 2-8-2009 by tomfrusso]


The masses paid the price, the few elite gained... very much. It's amazing that pretty much everything can be related to (personal) greed, whether it is political, financial... it's everywhere.

These elites are not Cheney and Rove. They are architects yes, but puppet architects. They people who have the power to do is have the power to make or break people like Bush. Pitiful enough, these people are media shy.

And start and flag for the op.


[edit on 2-8-2009 by Mdv2]


The few elite gained very much???? What? What did they gain?
Do you hear yourself?
You have stated nothing other than a blind accusation. This is like reading the national enquirer. You have absolutely no evidence of anything.

You must be joking.

Let's talk about political gain for a second - who gained politically? Republicans? Looks to me like they lost.

Sorry I can't agree with anything you've stated.



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 01:47 PM
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Originally posted by Angus123

Originally posted by GorehoundLarry
reply to post by Angus123
 


Hm.

Why do you feel sorry for Americans who don't agree with the conspiracy theory?


Because all the evidence points back at the government of the U.S.
And they don't have the guts to face the monster.

BTW... labeling something a conspiracy theory doesn't automatically make you right and everyone else wrong.
It's merely an attempt to deflect when the facts are stacked against your position.


So you truly believe you are right and everyone else who doesn't agree with you is wrong.

Awesome.



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 02:23 PM
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Originally posted by patientobserver
reply to post by john124
 


Lets just do this...

Explain to me how building #7 collapsed

Where is the wreckage from flight 93?

How did both towers collapse at freefall speed?

Why were there puddles of melted steel at the base of the tower?

Why can thermite be found in the dust that covered so much of NYC?


[edit on 2-8-2009 by patientobserver]


What am I missing? These have been answered time and time again. Conspiracy theorists just don't like the answers, so they so 'NO!!!" and keep asking the same questions.

Again, Truthers are through the looking glass here. If the government was to admit they were behind it with the PNAC, Truthers wouldn't believe that and believe there was something more. They just disbelieve anything 'The Man' says, no matter what. They'e not looking for Truth, they're just reactionary. These questions have been answered for years, and they just ignore those answers and keep questioning.



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 02:27 PM
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Right those questions have been answered many times, and each time theyre answered it doesnt come out in your favor.

Ok lets just keep it simple, can you just tell me about building #7?
what caused it to collapse?



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 02:47 PM
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Originally posted by tomfrusso

Originally posted by Mdv2

Originally posted by tomfrusso
reply to post by vehemes terra eternus
 


To Manufacture a war? Sorry, I don't buy that. To spend billions and cost more lives?

What is there to gain by those who started it?

Sorry, it does not add up. Who benefits? To start a war just to start a war?

[edit on 2-8-2009 by tomfrusso]


The masses paid the price, the few elite gained... very much. It's amazing that pretty much everything can be related to (personal) greed, whether it is political, financial... it's everywhere.

These elites are not Cheney and Rove. They are architects yes, but puppet architects. They people who have the power to do is have the power to make or break people like Bush. Pitiful enough, these people are media shy.

And start and flag for the op.


[edit on 2-8-2009 by Mdv2]


The few elite gained very much???? What? What did they gain?
Do you hear yourself?
You have stated nothing other than a blind accusation. This is like reading the national enquirer. You have absolutely no evidence of anything.

You must be joking.

Let's talk about political gain for a second - who gained politically? Republicans? Looks to me like they lost.

Sorry I can't agree with anything you've stated.



Know your history. Since ancient times wars have often been a direct consequence of greed and financial interests. Who do you think own corporate America? The rich few elite. An damn sure they have benefited from the Iraq war, Halliburton being one of the most prominent examples.



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 02:49 PM
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Uh, mismanagement of the war in Iraq actually helped fuel the crisis that we're in now...so no, they didn't benefit. Unless you're saying they could plan a supersecret conspiracy to blow up the WTC and have no whistleblowers but couldn't even manage an invasion correctly.



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 04:14 PM
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well, i posted the debunkers link - I am not a geologist or demolitions expert or, really, an expert in any field.
The inital reaction I felt to conspiracy theories ranging from 'the israelis did it' , to no plane in the pentagon and explosives/shaped charges/etc were that they were all highly compelling. This is because i wanted to believe something like that as it makes me feel a little self-important - as if i know some great dark secret about society, and i am 'one of the few' in the know.

Then, to be as unbiased as possible, i attempt to investigate other sources of news and information. I cannot hand on heart tell you that the link i provided is more or less truthful than the sites that are expounding theories about USA Govt collusion, etc.
But all I can do is 'feel' which of the approaches seems to have a more solidly truthful feel.
On this occasion, I believe the Non-conspiracy version more.
Because I cannot personally take apart any one of the arguments for or against either of the sides, does not mean i should not be entitled to an opinion...and at least i bothered to pause, then investigate what could be seen as another type of truth. I read through most of the debunking site and it all seems a lot more plausible to me - then again, I did not go into that site with an air of cynicism. I was prepared to read and attempt to concile my feelings of 'truth' with what the site gave me, compared to all the conspiricy theories.



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 05:04 PM
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You're basically right. Even if the government did actually plan 9/11..."truthers" would not take it. They would demand more...and more...and more.

It's kinda like "birthers" found solid evidence that Obama was born in the United States...they'd still say "nope."

Ignorance.



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 05:15 PM
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Originally posted by GorehoundLarry

Originally posted by Angus123

Originally posted by GorehoundLarry
reply to post by Angus123
 


Hm.

Why do you feel sorry for Americans who don't agree with the conspiracy theory?


Because all the evidence points back at the government of the U.S.
And they don't have the guts to face the monster.

BTW... labeling something a conspiracy theory doesn't automatically make you right and everyone else wrong.
It's merely an attempt to deflect when the facts are stacked against your position.


So you truly believe you are right and everyone else who doesn't agree with you is wrong.

Awesome.


Lol... thanks for recognizing. But you failed to address the larger issue. I'm so surprised.

[edit on 2-8-2009 by Angus123]



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 05:24 PM
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Not really. You made the point that if people fail to recognize or accept the conspiracy theory you believe in, they're wrong and ignorant. Not everyone believes in the same thing as you. So please, have an open mind and some respect for others.

Thanks.



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