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There are no internment camps,Right ?

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posted on Aug, 1 2009 @ 04:41 PM
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Anyone remember what happened to the native american indians? Guess what...




posted on Aug, 1 2009 @ 04:56 PM
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Like others, I couldn't even get through the video without feeling sick. What disturbs me even more is that people seem to CHOOSE not to see it for what it is. I have tried to show some of the related videos on this topic to people only to have them rationalize what they are seeing. In almost every case the answer is 'preventative measures'.

The problem is when I ask what is it that the US government is trying to prevent all I get are glassy eyed blank stares. I can see the claims about substitute facilities for Gitmo, but 800+ of them? How dangerous are these people that like Rudolph Hess they each need thier own prison.

Even more frightening is the new Denver airport...I can't help but think of the Nazi's plan to export Jews to Africa/Middle East where they could be killed far away from watchful eyes in Europe. Is this what's comming? The US becomes the 'Final Destination' for anyone who dissents against the NWO or globalisation?

If this is innocent, then why will no one in the US government answer any questions about these facilities? Several weeks ago, before I started keeping records of sources for my posts on ATS, I watched a YouTube video on how DHS expenditures were classified. The official reason was so that terrorists couldn't research the equipment being bought in an effort to discover weaknesses/flaws.

When everything is a secret how can you say it's innocent? The best you can possibly hope for is 50/50.

During WWII people in Germany knew what was going on when the Jews were rounded up for the ghettos. They knew what was happening when the ghettos were cleared and the occupants relocated to camps. They knew what was going on when train after train pulled in Auschwitz & Dachau loaded with people who never left.

They just didn't want to believe it.

Near the end of the war, then General Eisenhower was about to tour one of the liberated death camps, his aides tried to stop him, saying it wasn't required. Dwight's response was "I need to see this with my own eyes, so no one can tell me it didn't happen".

Our modern world allows us to see what is being done around us, we are able to see how these things are unfolding like never before. It is sad that just as in times past most people don't want to face the cold, harsh possibilities. It scares me that if things are as bad as it overwhelmingly seems that this is mainly due to 50 years of psychology experiments to see how far a person can be pushed before they stop and ask why.

During the Nuremburg trials it was ruled that 'just following orders' was not a valid excuse for ignoring the truth of ones actions. 60 years later Pres. Obama decides that people involved with torture won't face prosecution as they were just following orders.

WTF? What happened to basic human values? What happened to personal judgement and being responsible for ones actions?

All of the videos and reports about the camps, coffins, foriegn troops training in the west for urban conflict...this equates to the liberated death camps in Germany; the MSM's total lack of coverage parallels Eisenhower's aides pleading for him not to look; as free members of a democracy US citizens are the generals in charge...

Will you see what is happening?



posted on Aug, 1 2009 @ 04:57 PM
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THIS is why I am concerned :
Army Regulation 210–35
Installations
Civilian Inmate
Labor Program
Headquarters
This manual is online and is more than 30 pages.



posted on Aug, 1 2009 @ 05:07 PM
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Not ALL MP's are bad...

I have a buddy who's a MP, and he knows very well about the NWO (thanks to me always bringing it up
) but just saying, don't think that every person you see with "MP" on their arm is out the get ya.



posted on Aug, 1 2009 @ 05:07 PM
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All of which have been around for decades. Do you know anyone that has been detained in an internment camp?

I dont...


Im not saying for people to not be critical of the government and its policies. I can assure you I am, overly sometimes.

But there is too much paranoia, and this is a good example...



posted on Aug, 1 2009 @ 05:23 PM
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Greetings all


Sorry to add to the doom and gloom, but our good "friends" in the government may be using this in conjunction with the Swine Flu 'epidemic' that is underway. What better way than to quarantine infected, at risk, or troublesome people while the masses are receiving their death shots via the vaccine.

I remember from the previous fall the reports of gas pipes located in the supposed FEMA Death Camps... Maybe its for those of us who refuse to take the injection of Swine Flu Vaccine to population control us... They'll just gather the dissenting people en masse.

A thread I read yesterday had this link:

Plans for "vaccine" bracelets to be forced on people at road blocks

And yanno what, there is 99% chance that when this all blows over and nothing happens I will chuckle at myself for being so silly to think the sky was falling... but should it fall...

I'm ready


-Sliadon



posted on Aug, 1 2009 @ 05:27 PM
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Wouldn't that mean less MPs.



posted on Aug, 1 2009 @ 05:40 PM
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LOL, Dial back the paranioa level from 10 to 3 (or at minimum 5!)

This is not new, you do all realize the military has prisons, right?

I would bet nearly every branch of the military has a similar job spec.

I don't know about ATS of late, so many posts recently just jump right off the deep end.

Again this is how the military "advertises" their jobs to recruits (Both English and Hispanic).

Nothing to see here folks, for real! LOL.



posted on Aug, 1 2009 @ 05:57 PM
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I dont believe our own arm forces would turn against the American people, and put us in these camps, they would rebel against an order like that.



posted on Aug, 1 2009 @ 06:04 PM
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This talk of civilian internment camps, heading for the wilderness, storing food water, survival gear, firearms, ammunition, building defensive underground structures, acquiring communications equipment, and so on has been going on since the middle sixties.... "The Last Whole Earth Catalogue" had listings of about all that was available pertaining to the survivalist movement of the seventies and there were articles in magazines like "Mother Earth News" and even "Easy Riders".... I have come to the conclusion that all of the rumours are being used to exploit the population by instilling fear and hopelessness as just one more of many misinformation campaigns that draws attention away from things that are going on behind closed doors that are of a much lesser threat, but things that could be dealt with if we were not focussed on a decoy threat that seems to never come into existence.



posted on Aug, 1 2009 @ 06:20 PM
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all the camp talk makes me wonder if TPTB are expecting for our american soil to be breached from an attack from china or other?

sounds nutty, but...



posted on Aug, 1 2009 @ 06:22 PM
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That has astonished me in this administration and the congress and senate. They don't want to prosecute the individuals who did the torturing (and they still won't admit torture, but they don't want them prosecuted) because it may hinder them in doing their job to the fullest extent in protecting the country. These men in congress in the govt. have to know that FOLLOWING ORDERS ISN'T AN EXCUSE!!!!! We sent Nazi's to death for just following orders, we even executed a Japanese officer prosecuted for WATERBOARDING. But we can't see to do this to our own people. And we wonder how the Nazi public and other countries went along with torture and genocide and why they protected their own. It's because THEY CAN'T SEE KILLING THEIR OWN PEOPLE OR SEEING THEIR OWN PEOPLE AS MONSTERS. You see as with Nazi Germany as with Japan same for the US, we see our soldiers as in the right can do no wrong and are the proverbial american apple pie boy next door person. We are hypocrites to the n'th degree and many of us either can't or won't see it because it would say something about the character of our nation and our people.

Also with the internment camps, what should be listened to in the speech should be "Prisoners and Detainees" and "Escorting prisoners outside the camp". First, why the distinction between the two (prisoner and detainee). Aren't they supposed to be the same thing (Prisoner of war or military prisoner). The only reason they are making a distinction is that they mean not only prisoners but also people being detained for a specific reason but not a war or criminal prisoner. Also if it was for prisoners especially war prisoners, why in gods name would you want to escort them anywhere OUTSIDE THE CAMP. The could find a way to escape or get messages out to their people. And three, why is it so goddamn important to field a specialty position that should be for MP's and why so many are needed. I was in the military, and if they needed more people for guard duty or for a job, you muster up a unit or two and have a handful of MP's and jail guards show them how to do their job. When you make a job like this, you make it so that it will be dual use.

With this vaccination issue coming up or getting ratcheted up these months, I would like to know if they plan to jail people who don't want the vaccine or take people who are "infected" (got infected by the binary) to be placed in these camps until there "well" or gone. Remember, there still the issue of the body dumps being dugged on bases and such and the coffin liners also being ordered in mass. Something will be done because they will need a cover for the economy when it implodes this fall.



posted on Aug, 1 2009 @ 06:23 PM
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Have the abused, now become the abusers?

There are many pieces to this disturbing puzzle, which tend to indicate this may be the case.

Beware to those who infringe on the free will of another, for the “Laws of the Universe” forbid it.

Peace on Earth!



posted on Aug, 1 2009 @ 07:21 PM
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Originally posted by OLD HIPPIE DUDE
Looking for a job in the New World Order ?

www.nationalguard.com...

[edit on 1-8-2009 by OLD HIPPIE DUDE]


This MOS is not surprising, especially since we have been holding "Prisoners of War" from the middle east at Gitmo.

What would be more surprising, would be an MOS for an Internment Camp Gallowsman complete with training of the new hydraulic Guillotines that the US Government purchased and had shipped into Florida in the past few years.

Oh yes, I said GUILLOTINES, you know, like the ones the FRENCH had used during their weak past history. The kind they used to behead the many wives of Henry the 8th and other political dissodents.

[edit on 8/1/2009 by Evisscerator]



posted on Aug, 1 2009 @ 08:00 PM
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Sorry for my ignorance, but isn't the National Guard something "official"?

I ask this because I find it a little strange for the National Guard to use a ".com" domain registered to a "IoStudio" instead of a more official looking address.

Or are they independent from the US government and can have their ".com" sites without any problem?



posted on Aug, 1 2009 @ 08:06 PM
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Originally posted by [davinci]
Like others, I couldn't even get through the video without feeling sick. What disturbs me even more is that people seem to CHOOSE not to see it for what it is. I have tried to show some of the related videos on this topic to people only to have them rationalize what they are seeing. In almost every case the answer is 'preventative measures'.

The problem is when I ask what is it that the US government is trying to prevent all I get are glassy eyed blank stares. I can see the claims about substitute facilities for Gitmo, but 800+ of them? How dangerous are these people that like Rudolph Hess they each need thier own prison.

Even more frightening is the new Denver airport...I can't help but think of the Nazi's plan to export Jews to Africa/Middle East where they could be killed far away from watchful eyes in Europe. Is this what's comming? The US becomes the 'Final Destination' for anyone who dissents against the NWO or globalisation?

If this is innocent, then why will no one in the US government answer any questions about these facilities? Several weeks ago, before I started keeping records of sources for my posts on ATS, I watched a YouTube video on how DHS expenditures were classified. The official reason was so that terrorists couldn't research the equipment being bought in an effort to discover weaknesses/flaws.

When everything is a secret how can you say it's innocent? The best you can possibly hope for is 50/50.

During WWII people in Germany knew what was going on when the Jews were rounded up for the ghettos. They knew what was happening when the ghettos were cleared and the occupants relocated to camps. They knew what was going on when train after train pulled in Auschwitz & Dachau loaded with people who never left.

They just didn't want to believe it.

Near the end of the war, then General Eisenhower was about to tour one of the liberated death camps, his aides tried to stop him, saying it wasn't required. Dwight's response was "I need to see this with my own eyes, so no one can tell me it didn't happen".

Our modern world allows us to see what is being done around us, we are able to see how these things are unfolding like never before. It is sad that just as in times past most people don't want to face the cold, harsh possibilities. It scares me that if things are as bad as it overwhelmingly seems that this is mainly due to 50 years of psychology experiments to see how far a person can be pushed before they stop and ask why.

During the Nuremburg trials it was ruled that 'just following orders' was not a valid excuse for ignoring the truth of ones actions. 60 years later Pres. Obama decides that people involved with torture won't face prosecution as they were just following orders.

WTF? What happened to basic human values? What happened to personal judgement and being responsible for ones actions?

All of the videos and reports about the camps, coffins, foriegn troops training in the west for urban conflict...this equates to the liberated death camps in Germany; the MSM's total lack of coverage parallels Eisenhower's aides pleading for him not to look; as free members of a democracy US citizens are the generals in charge...

Will you see what is happening?



posted on Aug, 1 2009 @ 08:37 PM
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Want to make the people hyperventilate and scream inanities?

Just drop a word like 'internment' out there.

You will need no proof, facts, or research. Just drop the word.

Calm down, folks.

[edit on 1-8-2009 by jsobecky]



posted on Aug, 1 2009 @ 08:39 PM
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Let me clear up a few things as I was an MP for 5 years (1988 - 93).

First off, MP's dont guard prisoners normally. A war is the only time an MP would be used to guard prisoners and they are referred to as EPW (enemy prisoner of war).

There is another mos designated and trained for handling prisoners. Some other post mentioned 31 series, thats not what I recall FYI. An MP is a 95B unless they changed things.

Also CID is just an investigative branch in military law enforcement. Most CID agents are former MP's that got bumped up essentially. Think detective basically but for military crimes.

MP's main duties on a base are law enforcement. However they dont guard the base or operate those base gates for entrance (thats usually just a grunt infantryman). Nor do they even guard prisoners they arrest. If someone is needed to remain incarcerated they go to a temp holding facility to await trial.

From there a military person convicted goes to one of 3 or 4 detention centers. For minor offenses with sentences less than 3 yrs one could go to Ft. Lewis Washington. More than 3 yrs and you automatically went to Ft. Leavenworth in Kansas. I believe there were two other minor facilities.

These detention centers / military prisons hold around 500 max (minor ones) and have maybe 50 guards, basically a company of soldiers who guarded them. I forget their MOS but it wasnt the same as an MP (95B)

If the national guard is hiring 800 guards thats something to wonder about. There isnt 800 military personnel total guarding military prisoners so adding 800 more would be signifigant.

considering that the govt has allocated millions to build internment camps it seems obvious who would likely operate these facilities.



posted on Aug, 1 2009 @ 08:52 PM
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Good point.....I checked all the tabs on the site and they all work. So if it's not for real than it's a very good hoex. Maybe since the NG is both State & Federal they don't use the .gov or .stategov......should check the rest of the branches to see if they too are .com's.
As a veteran of the Army, I seriously worry about this. People say our soldiers would not turn on the people....well guess again. It has been done several times in the past by the National Guard and not to mention the Civil War. It all depends how TPTB present the issues and the standing orders.
I just hope that we the people get the last word in before the marching orders are released. If TPTB try to use foreign troops, well that is unconstitional and I feel the Commanders and Soldiers will see through that and side with the people.
Personally, I hope this is just like the Y2K BS and never comes to be...I'm getting to old for this #, lol.



posted on Aug, 1 2009 @ 09:08 PM
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I was in the army in 1976 and didn't make it through boot camp because of various health issues. These ads here for some reason look enticing.


I looked up Pose comitatus for the heck of it, because I recall a white racist group in northern Wisconsin.

www.posse-comitatus.org...

www.homelandsecurity.org...

Of course, this first one apparently doesn't speak for all and these types seem worse to me and seem to be closer to the NWO paranoia many have.

I much prefer a Star Trek future as our objective. Freedom in the current world today appears much closer to anarchy and various forms of rebelous organized crime.

Without a crystal ball, I can't exactly which it will be. But a near extinction event, might cure many of these problematic situations.


[edit on 1-8-2009 by aleon1018]




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