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"Here are some excerpts from a 1998 Department of Defense Report by the United States General Accounting Office-09/22/98, GAO/NSIAD-98-219: "Chaff is used worldwide in conjunction with military training, testing, and other assigned missions.
"While DOD (Department of Defense) components report that chaff is an effective means of defense for aircraft, ships, and related weapon systems, DOD and other agencies have identified some unintended and potential side effects of chaff. Chaff can affect safety by interfering with air traffic control radar. Chaff can also affect weather radar observations and the operation of friendly radar systems, especially when vehicles stir up chaff that has settled on the ground. It has been reported that chaff has also caused power outages and damaged electrical equipment. Potential effects cited by Defense and other organizations include those on health and the environment. For example, the Air Force reported that chaff has a potential but remote chance of collecting in reservoirs and causing chemical changes that may affect water and the species that use it.
"Chaff can show up on radar as a false weather phenomenon and may affect lightning within storms. The National Weather Service (NWS) began to observe the widespread and frequent use of chaff in the late 1980s, when it started using new and more sensitive weather radar. Radar observations show that chaff can spread over several hundreds of miles and stay in the air for up to a day. A scientist formerly with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), who now performs weather research at the University of Oklahoma, estimated it would have taken more than 200 billion chaff particles to create a radar picture taken in Arizona in 1997. DOD officials stated that it is improbable that such a large chaff deployment occurred outside of combat and is unlikely to occur in any future DOD training events...NOAA also provided pictures taken since 1993 in many other parts of the country and showing radar images of chaff."
It’s hard to believe that people spend time on the Internet arguing about "contrails versus chemtrails" when this has been going on openly for decades. Call it what you want, the military openly admits that is has been spraying us with chemicals of known toxicity, without our permission, for generations."
Originally posted by Essan
It does amuse me the way the chemtrailers claim that what they see and call chemtrails are part of some secret effort to stop global warming when all the research over the past couple of decades has pointed to them being a cause of global warming.
Originally posted by Essan
that presumably proves there are no chemtrails over the UK.
Pumping sulfur dioxide into the stratosphere to block the sun, brightening clouds with reflective sea salt, or fertilizing the oceans with iron are just some of the way-out schemes some scientists have proposed to fight global warming if all else fails.
This week, the American Meteorological Society issued a final version of its policy statement on geoengineering Earth’s climate system. The organization warns against the potential risks but also endorses research into the feasibility of such efforts, along with their ethical, social and political implications.
“Geoengineering will not substitute for either aggressive mitigation or proactive adaptation, but it could contribute to a comprehensive risk management strategy to slow climate change and alleviate some of its negative impacts,” the statement says.
President Barack Obama’s science advisor, physicist John Holdren, has previously said, “We have to keep geoengineering on the table...because we might get desperate enough to use it.”
How might I be exposed to sulfur dioxide?
* Breathing air containing it or touching it.
Anaphylactic reactions are much less common Occasional patients exposed to sulfites, will experienced symptoms similar to anaphylaxis with flushing, fast heartbeat, wheezing, hives, dizziness, stomach upset and diarrhoea, collapse, tingling or difficulty swallowing.
WILLIAM THOMAS ON ART BELL AS EMERGENCY ROOMS OVERFLOW ACROSS USA
William Thomas makes his first of eight appearance on Art Bell's “Coast to Coast” radio show with news of something he calls “chemtrails”.
The Philadelphia Daily News reports that Emergency Room patients were overflowing into the hallways at West Jersey Hospital in Berlin, New Jersey “as a wave of respiratory illnesses swept the area.”
There is a 24-hour waiting period to get into New York State hospital. In San Francisco, TV stations report that paramedics are being diverted to help handle swamped ERs. A person in Portland “heard on the radio that the hospitals in Portland are jammed up with people coming in. Plus in Eugene it seems like everyone is coming down with something. And my wife and I saw some rainbow-colored clouds yesterday. We are calling them chem-clouds.”
Observational evidence shows a clear correlation between historic eruptions and subsequent years of cold climate conditions. Four well-known historic examples are described below.
LAKI (1783) -- The eastern U.S. recorded the lowest-ever winter average temperature in 1783-84, about 4.8OC below the 225-year average. Europe also experienced an abnormally severe winter. Benjamin Franklin suggested that these cold conditions resulted from the blocking out of sunlight by dust and gases created by the Iceland Laki eruption in 1783. The Laki eruption was the largest outpouring of basalt lava in historic times. Franklin's hypothesis is consistent with modern scientific theory, which suggests that large volumes of SO2 are the main culprit in haze-effect global cooling.
TAMBORA (1815) -- Thirty years later, in 1815, the eruption of Mt. Tambora, Indonesia, resulted in an extremely cold spring and summer in 1816, which became known as the year without a summer. The Tambora eruption is believed to be the largest of the last ten thousand years. New England and Europe were hit exceptionally hard. Snowfalls and frost occurred in June, July and August and all but the hardiest grains were destroyed. Destruction of the corn crop forced farmers to slaughter their animals. Soup kitchens were opened to feed the hungry. Sea ice migrated across Atlantic shipping lanes, and alpine glaciers advanced down mountain slopes to exceptionally low elevations.
KRAKATAU (1883) -- Eruption of the Indonesian volcano Krakatau in August 1883 generated twenty times the volume of tephra released by the 1980 eruption of Mt. St. Helens. Krakatau was the second largest eruption in history, dwarfed only by the eruption of neighboring Tambora in 1815 (see above). For months after the Krakatau eruption, the world experienced unseasonably cool weather, brilliant sunsets, and prolonged twilights due to the spread of aerosols throughout the stratosphere. The brilliant sunsets are typical of atmospheric haze. The unusual and prolonged sunsets generated considerable contemporary debate on their origin.They also provided inspiration for artists who dipicted the vibrant nature of the sunsets in several late 19th-century paintings, two of which are noted here.
Originally posted by Neo-V™
So considering the affects sulphur has, and the many reports of an increase in respiratory problems around the world, can we really disregard the evidence suggesting that...
A. Not only are we being sprayed &
B. Whatever it is they are using, is not all that good for us?
Only if you believe in straw men, non sequiturs and other logical fallacies.
As you've now gone from chaff to sulphur I'm assuming that your premise is that someone is spraying something for some reason. You have no idea who what or why but you refuse to believe that the government wouldn't spray us and therefore they must be spraying us. Is that right?
Obviously there is little point in debate if that's the case. So if you don't mind I'll just quickly creep off and go back to studying the real impacts of deadly dihydrogen monoxide crystals as produced by commercial aircraft and called by some 'chemtrails'. I believe there was recent a conference at which some interesting new research was presented regarding their contribution to AGW and I need to see if I can find the papers
Abstract: A Nitroplastisol propellant composition designated as LPC-1040A has been formulated and partially characterized to meet Phase I program requirements. The selection was based on a computer optimization program designed to provide a formulation which would yield maximum amounts of silver iodide. The selected propellant is considered to be thermally stable and its sensitivity is adequate for safe processing pending completion of hazard tests under the proposed Phase II of the current program. Strand burning rate and mechanical property characterization have been completed. (Author)
Description: Rept. for 4 May-9 Jul 65
Report Date: OCT 1968
Report Number: 0279448
Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by Udontknowme
Based on your linked info (from the 1960s???!!!???) are you suggesting, now, that commercial passenger jets have solid rocket fuel thrusters attached?? BECAUSE, that is what the article is referring.
I realize you desperately want this "chemtrail" stuff to be true, but you really had to dig into the illogic barrel for that one!
BTW, your question about jet engines, and the various sounds? That "growling" sound is just a feature of high-bypass jet engines, which of course are coming more and more prevalent. Especially the bigger engines, the sound is the N1 fan "biting" into the air, it is most common at higher power settings and slower airspeeds.
N1 speed refers to the innermost rotating shaft. This shaft will carry the most forward stage of fan (compressor) blades and the most rearward stage of turbine blades. N2 refers to a hollow shaft that rotates around the N1 shaft which carries the second stage of compressor blades and the first stage of turbine blades, if the engine only has 2 stages. If the engine has 3 stages, then N3 would refer to a third shaft, another hollow one, rotating around the second stage shaft, that would carry the third stage of compressor blades and the first stage of turbine blades
Originally posted by Udontknowme
reply to post by Udontknowme
Edit to add; The chemicals would be injected through the N2 or N3 hollow shaft rotating the second and third stages.
Originally posted by Udontknowme
Thought people might find this interesting. A plane leaving chemtrails, within view of the passenger from another ac.