PROOF that Pelosi and the Dems want to wipe out Private Insurance!

reply to post by sligtlyskeptical

Negotiate with the health care providers? It is against the law for them to offer any services below the cost of private insurance. Didn't you knw that with all your expertise? I would bet you either have no health insurance or your employer pays the whole cost.

I didnt say you could negotiate below the cost of private insurers. What I meant was you can negotiate down to similar prices. As far as health inurance goes, I set aside money each month in a money market account, and then as a backup I have a catastrophic health plan in case something bad happens. Part of the money I set aside each month is tax deductible.

I have actually built up quite a little nest egg by doing this.

[edit on 7/31/2009 by grapesofraft]

Even more proof on this thread. It is Barney Frank telling us the truth for once, by accident of course.

Barney Frank - More proof the dems want to wipe out private insurance!

reply to post by fraterormus
Insurance companies negotiate with individual hospitals over the cost of procedures. Therefore, hospitals are forced to increase the cost of CAT Scans, MRI's, etc. just to make a moderate profit. Thus, an uninsured patient will be charged $10000, for a procedure that may cost the hospital $1500, and the indurance company pays $2000 for. The inequity comes with the uninsured patient. He should have to pay no more that the person who has insurance.
Try telling the hospital, or the doctor, you will pay them what Medicare pays. You might be pleasantly surprised at the difference in your bill. It may take some persistance, but it's worth a try.

reply to post by Animal


I wonder how much information you have on how this government bill is going to work, read my lips, the 40 thousand that have not insurance will still be without insurance in this bill.

The bill is targeting the working sector of the nation and the tax payers.

Seniors will no be included in this bill as Medicare and Medicaid will not be eliminated as an entitlement program.

Illegal immigrants and people that doesn't work will not get insurance either as the bill is not redacted in any form to deal with these two sectors of the population.

Because the government needs money to make the health care bill reform work without been a burden on the national deficit (as Obama has promised) is targeting only the tax payer and the over 60% percent of the population that pay for insurance already, (private insurance) as they are the only ones that money to sustain this venture can be generated from.

learn the facts

[edit on 31-7-2009 by marg6043]

Originally posted by fraterormus
I'm not a fan of Pelosi and personally can't stand her much either, however I don't think this is proof of anything remotely akin to wiping out Private Insurance.

Don't mistake the negotiation for a minimum coverage for all Americans for wiping out Private Insurance. Private Insurance will still be desired, needed, and able to make criminal profits off it's customers just as they always have.

Wrong. Here's a Pelosi colleague explicitly saying the Obama goal is the end of private insurance.

"Dem. Congresswoman Admits Health Plan Will Destroy Insurance"
www.abovetopsecret.com...

And, a simple Google search or any financial website will reveal that health insurance profit margins are nowhere near those of other businesses.

Since the government doesn't have a profit motive, no private (profit driven) enterprise can compete. Simple, really.

Deny ignorance!

jw

Originally posted by Animal

Again, as I have pointed out time and time again, something the right-wing libertarian fringe refuses to even acknowledge is the fact that currently the USA is ranked #37 int he world for quality of health care and at the same time we spend 200% per-capita' of what the rest of developed-advanced nations spend AND we still have 50,000,000 uninsured.

You need to check your sources. You are being lied to.

First, the "37%" figure comes from the WHO, and is not based on appropriate factors. It doesn't account for critical care, cardiac resuscitation, the health problems of the very young and very old who are dead in other countries/health care systems, et c. (Did you know that the UK bans non-citizens from obtaining transplanted organs through private care?)

Second, your 50,000,000 is a gross exaggeration. It includes illegal aliens, those who earn enough yet choose NOT to buy insurance, those who qualify for Medicare and Medicaid or V.A. but do not apply, and those who simply do not buy insurance at all. "Progressives" citing this figure are flat-out lying.

You talk about how the government is only going to make things worse, well based on all the EVIDENCE that is out there I doubt it. First off those opposed to this refuse to admit to the limited impact government is actually going to have on our health care, that they are going to insure the 50,000,000 uninsured, that billions are wasted every year by making those in charge of the health care industry filthy rich, and that everywhere else in the world where public to socialized systems are in place have astronomically better care.

Wrong again. Obama has stated on the record that he does not want a "European" system. The EU systems are insurance based!
Moreover, he's stated unequivacally that he does not want the UK system (single payer, with private options) either.

You should get your facts together before spouting ideology and socialist agenda.

Deny ignorance!

jw