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Time to Dissolve the Union and Start Over

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posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 06:30 PM
With the Federal Government blowing it's brains out on deficit spending to the point where it has NO hope of EVER paying that money back, and Wall Street banks technically bankrupt from toxic mortgage-backed securities and derivatives, the financial burden on the average taxpayer will become unbearable while at the same time state's will be forced to default on their debt too due to falling tax revenues.

What's the solution?

All the states agree to dissolve the United States and start over again with a NEW form of federation, that financially speaking starts with a clean slate and a stripped-down bureaocracy that the country can afford. All the old federal debt becomes worthless and to protect domestic holders of debt such as small investors, pension plans, etc. the new federal government take back the old debt in exchange for new long term, inflation adjusted bonds with a low rate of interest. A new currency backed by gold would prevent the dollar from collapsing. Tariffs and import duties would make it profitable to bring back industrial production AND JOBS from oversees. By the way, as a long time fiscal conservative, I always believed that free trade was a good thing until I read how Germany became a prosperous industrial power over a couple of decades starting at the beginning of the 1900's by using high trade barriers. The US used to be an industrial powerhouse but now anymore because it's biggest export over the last three decades has been manufacturing jobs. This is why trade barriers are necessary.

[edit on 30-7-2009 by Studenofhistory]

posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 07:19 PM
reply to post by Studenofhistory

Would you divide the gold by state? By territory? What about the debt owed by China? Would they expect a state in return? A share of the new democracy?
I like your idea but what about the details. Military be exempt?

Neat idea, may have some 'birthing' problems.

posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 07:19 PM
reply to post by Studenofhistory

I was just outside on the patio thinking about this in regards to Texas. I am becoming so disheartened about our country and see nothing less than a serious revolt to get us out of the mess we are in. There will be a point where a line will be crossed and either there will be a hugh revolt or we will all fall in line as obedient little workers.

posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 07:30 PM
Balkanization is the only way to go.

IMO, it could be done in a relatively small amount of reorganization.

Lets take the leftist morons and stick them in a place called SocialistRetardLand.

Take the right wing nutjobs and stick them in Jesusville.

As for the rest, welcome to FreedomLand.

posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 07:46 PM
reply to post by mikerussellus

China and Japan can use their debt certificates for toilet paper because that's the only thing they'd be good for. Dividing up the gold by state is an interesting question. If the new government issues it's own currency directly instead of allowing a privately-owned 'Federal REserve' to do so, then the gold in Fort Knox plus any other gold currently held by the Federal government would be the backing for the new currency. The exchange rate for the new currency would have to be high enough to encourage the mining of more gold which the government would 'buy' with newly printed currency, thereby permitting the money supply to expand in order to accomodate real growth. The new government would take over the military but national guard units would still belong to their own states. As they say the devil's in the details. A spontaneous collapse of the union would be messy but planning it ahead of time doesn't seem likely because the PTB would try to stop it.

posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 08:25 PM
reply to post by Studenofhistory

There is not enough gold left to cover even a fraction of our debts. The idea that it would be divided and dispersed to the states is laughable.

The states would be on their own to do as they would with what they have. That doesn't sound too encouraging until you realize that it means no interference from the fed and literally trillions in surplus between the 50 states every year to take care of actual necessities.
The military wiould come home and states would have a share in the hardware. The giant war machine and costs of operating it would go away.

No more US aid to everyfreakingbodyontheplanet. The states would be free to set up their own alliances and diplomatic ties.

The dollar would be used to make bonfires and for toilet paper.

The US states have between them a significant portion of the earths natural resources and arable land and water. They have technology and a cohesive infrastructure. All they need is to get out from under the control of a government that had betrayed its' people and sold them out to the UN, world bankers and big money corporations. Once these vampires are stopped from sucking the lifeblood out of American citizens and the states then things can go forward in a manner that will benefit the citizens and not everybody else.

I'm betting on Texas or New Hampshire to secede first.

posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 09:53 PM
reply to post by Studenofhistory

I am betting on California to secede first, over hemp, but I could be wrong. Someone mentioned the debt with China, well, those debts are with the Federal Reserve Bank, not the American people or the States. Same with all debt owed by the FRB. If their assets were seized, along with those of the IRS, and the Monetary fund, and the fortunes of the rich elite who own these banks, including all off shore accounts. this will be more than enough gold and silver to back printed or coined money. This thing has been brewing for some time now, see the links below. I am all for it.

A Blueprint For Peaceful Secession

Free State Project


American Secession Project

The Second Vermont Republic

Secession Pennsylvania

Secession as a Legitimate Recourse of the States - is secession legal?

Texas Seceding from the United States?

Will Vermont Secede from the Union?

Secession Of New York State From The United States

South Carolina to secede from the United States in order to form a Christian nation?

The Late Great United States The Decline and Fall of the United States of America

The States Are Not Branches Of The Federal Government!

As one can see by reading on the provided links, secession from the corporation known as the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is a widely accepted idea that has already formed, and is being discussed at high levels of State governments. One thing the previous posters forgot that would return to the people....all lands held by the Federal Government, including military bases and parks, and all Federal agencies assets. Can you imagine life without Federal Laws? With money that doesn't lose it's value, ever? Under the Common Law, there are but three laws. Harm no one. Harm no one's property, nor steal it. Be truthful in your contracts.

posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 10:18 PM
If we are to "Dissolve The Union", then what is there to prevent an enemy of ours from completely taking over a Divided Nation? Also, what makes ANYONE in their right mind somehow believe that we can do a better job of creating a New Order of the Ages, than what our Founding Fathers and Framers did before, and for us? People need to simply wise up and begin electing common sensed, everyday folks into office. Whether you agree with her politics or not, why do you believe that Sarah Palin is constantly trashed by yuppies, pundits, and the Mainstream media? It is because she represents REAL change. Palin is a common citizen, a plain spoken individual with vast amounts of tenacity and fortitude, and therefore she is a threat to the set Beltway Establishment (On BOTH sides of the aisle).

posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 10:53 PM
Throw out/dissolve the Federal Reserve. Problem solved.

If people weren't so brainwashed as to snipe at states they didn't like, we could have an unified nation.

posted on Jul, 31 2009 @ 05:41 PM
reply to post by autowrench

Thanks for that list of links. I had no idea that succession was being considered so seriously. One thing though. The Federal Reserve doesn't issue debt of the kind that people usually think of when they think of Federal debt. The long term bonds that China and Japan have bought were issued by the Federal Government. The Federal Reserve does issue a form of debt. It's called Federal Reserve Notes ie. paper money. That's right...paper money used nowadays is nothing more than an IOU from the Fed. The definition of money is as a store of wealth and a medium of exchange. As long as people continue to accept Fed notes as a medium of exchange, that part is valid but as a store of wealth, Fed issued paper currency is not backed by anything real. You can't go to the local Federal REserve bank and exchange your currency for gold or silver. Ya you can buy gold or silver from someone else but only as long as they're willing to accept those notes.

Kennedy signed an Executive Order ordering the Treasury Department to resume issuing paper currency so that the government wouldn't have to borrow the money and many people think that was at least one of the many reasons why his enemies had him killed. I won't go into detail as to the whole list because that would be off topic but suffice it to say, Kennedy managed to piss off a LOT of people while in office. When you understand why, you can see that it wasn't a huge surprise that he was assassinated.

[edit on 31-7-2009 by Studenofhistory]

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