Obama Birth Certificate Deniers Are Right-Wing Militants, Racists & Holocaust Deniers., page 2

reply to post by FlyersFan

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But he already has. He has released his birth certificate. That document was verified by Hawaii as genuine and that it is a fact that Obama was born in Hawaii.

This hasn't stopped this issue in the slightest. It immediately was deemed fake.

Not the one that was supposedly faked by some guy with photoshop I am talking about the one that is on factcheck.org.

The issue won't stop with a re release of his birth certificate. It's already been proven that it won't stop this issue. Nothing will because it's a psychotic condition.

It's like those that believe that Obama is a secret Muslim terrorist.

Originally posted by Majic
The Real First Refuge Of A Scoundrel

Let's not forget "Birthers" blight crops, sour milk and frighten children.

The very fact that there's such a raucous, obnoxious crowd of "Bommies" opposing the call for validating the President's origin of birth suggests there's something to hide.

If President Obama's place of birth is truly legitimate, then absolutely nothing the "Birthers" say or do could possibly change that.

So why the fuss? Why blow smoke where there is no fire?

If they didn't feel threatened by the inquiry, why bother to organize a campaign to demonize the inquirers in the first place?

"Bommies" are saying that Obama has validated his place of birth. "Bommies" are saying that Congress has validated his place of birth. "Bommies" are saying Hawaii has validated his place of birth, twice.

And yes, there is a radical, right wing, racist element in the birther group. I'm sure the whole movement is not, but it is there.

This is a source someone posted in the "Resolution says Hawaii Obama's birthplace" thread.

incogman.wordpress.com...

The author is racist, anti-Jewish, and a white supremacist. When this is a source used to defend one side of an argument, it's only natural that people start making the assumption (however incorrect it might be) that this group might represent a racist hatemongers.

I think "Bommies" (Obamabots, Obamazombies, Obamatrons, anyone who thinks the birth conspiracy is bunk) get irritated when the same blogs and "news sources" perpetuate the conspiracy with proven lies, falsehoods, and propaganda.

And as far as ad hominems go, don't you think you might be guilty of the same thing?

From your source an ad hominem is an informal fallacy where you have the argument:

Non-birthers appear to be threatened and hiding something about the situation because they are organizing a "diversion campaign", therefore the claim that Obama is born in the US must be false.

Bom Shelter

reply to post by Avenginggecko

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I'm glad you picked up on my example.

I deliberately injected the word "Bommies" to make a point about the use of the epithet "Birthers" -- that the use of such tactics is a resort to ad hominem, the real first refuge of a scoundrel.

Personally, I'm neutral on the question of President Obama's eligibility for office. I don't know, one way or the other, and nothing I've seen so far persuades me either way.

But when I see political minions resorting to name-calling where simple facts should suffice, my suspicions are naturally aroused.

What's the truth? I don't know. But I doubt it will be forthcoming from people who think epithets and facts are interchangeable.

reply to post by whatukno

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Just one point I'd like clarification on if you please.

"the white house has to repeatedly defend itself over and over"

Once would do it. Produce the Original. End Of Story. sigh

reply to post by Hazelnut

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That's the whole point in a nutshell, thank you. By feeding the speculation and refusing to provide the proof that is being asked for the Obama administration is causing 99% of the drama.


Produce the certificate and the problem goes away!!

I am saying produce the genuine, original BIRTH CERTIFICATE from the state of Hawaii, the same one that was created on the event of Obamas birth.

Release it to the media, let bi-partisan officials review it, and if it is determined to be genuine, authentic and contains all proof of legitimacy then the problem will go away and no further actions would be necesarry.

NOT a "certificate of live birth", not some faxed or reprinted copy of a copy of an altered original...the actual birth certificate.

If he HAS a birth certificate on file as they claim and that file would verify direct proof beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was born in the US, then why not make all of these neo-cons eat crow by producing damning evidence that would shut them all up for good?

No more passing referendums and moratoriums and resolutions that he was born here...PROVE IT.

Otherwise shut up and don't complain when people want to know the truth.

Suborned in the U.S.A.
The birth-certificate controversy is about Obama’s honesty, not where he was born.

By Andrew C. McCarthy



article.nationalreview.com...

WHO IS THIS GUY?

Before January 20 of this year, Barack Obama had a negligible public record. He burst onto the national scene what seemed like five minutes before his election to the presidency: a first-term U.S. senator who actually served less than four years in that post — after a short time as a state legislator, some shadowy years as a “community organizer,” and scholastic terms at Occidental, Columbia, and Harvard that remain shrouded in mystery. The primary qualification supporters offered for Obama’s candidacy was his compelling life story, as packaged in 850 pages’ worth of the not one but two autobiographies this seemingly unaccomplished candidate had written by the age of 45.

Yet we now know that this life story is chock full of fiction. Typical and disturbing, to take just one example, is the entirely fabricated account in Dreams from My Father of Obama’s first job after college:


Eventually a consulting house to multinational corporations agreed to hire me as a research assistant. Like a spy behind enemy lines, I arrived every day at my mid-Manhattan office and sat at my computer terminal, checking the Reuters machine that blinked bright emerald messages from across the globe. As far as I could tell I was the only black man in the company, a source of shame for me but a source of considerable pride for the company’s secretarial pool. They treated me like a son, those black ladies; they told me how they expected me to run the company one day. . . . The company promoted me to the position of financial writer. I had my own office, my own secretary, money in the bank. Sometimes, coming out of an interview with Japanese financiers or German bond traders, I would catch my reflection in the elevator doors — see myself in a suit and tie, a briefcase in my hand — and for a split second I would imagine myself as a captain of industry, barking out orders, closing the deal, before I remembered who it was that I had told myself I wanted to be and felt pangs of guilt for my lack of resolve. . . .

As the website Sweetness & Light details, this is bunk. Obama did not work at “a consulting house to multinational corporations”; it was, a then-colleague of his has related, “a small company that published newsletters on international business.” He wasn’t the only black man in the company, and he didn’t have an office, have a secretary, wear a suit and tie on the job, or conduct “interviews” with “Japanese financiers or German bond traders” — he was a junior copyeditor.

What’s unnerving about this is that it is so gratuitous. It would have made no difference to anyone curious about Obama’s life that he, like most of us, took a ho-hum entry-level job to establish himself. But Obama lies about the small things, the inconsequential things, just as he does about the important ones — depending on what he is trying to accomplish at any given time.

That's what I want to know, who is this guy.

article.nationalreview.com...

He is a compulsive liar.

How many Americans know, for example, that as a sitting U.S. senator in 2006, Obama interfered in a Kenyan election, publicly ripping the incumbent government (a U.S. ally) for corruption while he was its guest and barnstorming with his preferred candidate: a Marxist now known to have made a secret agreement with Islamists to convert Kenya to sharia law, and whose supporters, upon losing the election, committed murder and mayhem, displacing thousands of Kenyans and plunging their country into utter chaos?

I knew.

WHEN DID INFORMATION SUDDENLY BECOME A BAD THING?

While it is all well and good to belittle the birth-certificate controversy, without it we’d know only what the media and Obama himself would tell us about his multiple citizenships, which is nothing. As noted above, we now know Obama, by operation of British and Kenyan law, was a citizen of Kenya (a status that lapsed in 1982, when he turned 21). That’s something voters would find relevant, especially when Obama’s shocking 2006 conduct in Kenya is considered. But we don’t know about his Kenyan citizenship because the media thought it was newsworthy. We know it only because of the birth-certificate controversy: Pressed to debunk the allegation that Obama was born in Kenya, his embarrassed supporters felt compelled to clarify his Kenyan citizenship.

By contrast, the question whether Obama ever was an Indonesian citizen is still unresolved, as are such related matters as whether the foreign citizenship (if he had it) ever lapsed, and whether he ever held or used an Indonesian passport — for example, during a mysterious trip to Pakistan he took in 1981, after Zia’s coup, when advisories warned Americans against traveling there. By the way, many details about that journey, too, remain unknown. Obama strangely neglected to mention it in his 850 pages of autobiography, even though the 20-year-old’s adventure included a stay at the home of prominent Pakistani politicians.

There’s speculation out there from the former CIA officer Larry Johnson — who is no right-winger and is convinced the president was born in Hawaii — that the full state records would probably show Obama was adopted by the Indonesian Muslim Lolo Soetoro and became formally known as “Barry Soetoro.” Obama may have wanted that suppressed for a host of reasons: issues about his citizenship, questions about his name (it’s been claimed that Obama represented in his application to the Illinois bar that he had never been known by any name other than Barack Obama), and the undermining of his (false) claim of remoteness from Islam. Is that true? I don’t know and neither do you.

But we should know. The point has little to do with whether Obama was born in Hawaii. I’m quite confident that he was. The issue is: What is the true personal history of the man who has been sold to us based on nothing but his personal history? On that issue, Obama has demonstrated himself to be an unreliable source and, sadly, we can’t trust the media to get to the bottom of it. What’s wrong with saying, to a president who promised unprecedented “transparency”: Give us all the raw data and we’ll figure it out for ourselves?

article.nationalreview.com...

reply to post by Hazelnut

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and reply to post by BlackOps719

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Obviously not because he did release his COLB and it didn't do anything to shut down this issue.

www.factcheck.org...
www.politifact.com...
www.snopes.com...

But if that weren't enough to slate the thirst of people questioning this issue. It was verified not once...

www.kitv.com...

but twice.

news.yahoo.com...

But that's still not enough to convince people. Nothing is going to satisfy those that are opposed to Obama. It's just not going to happen. There is nothing on the Birth certificate that anyone needs to be aware of except peoples names that violate privacy laws. Those people could potentially be put in danger if their identities are known.

The fact of the matter is and I have argued this point many times. Citizens do not vote for the President. They vote for electors. So Citizens not having voted for the President do not have any right to view this mans 4th amendment protected personal papers unless he wishes them to.

Those people who wish to pry into the president's personal life only wish to do so to try and discredit him or find some other reason to slander and humiliate him publicly, there is no great truth they are looking for other than dirt.

So besides endangering the 4th Amendment, and trying to discredit a person they don't like politically there is no great truth that (only to please Majic) "the people that believe in this issue" will find in the birth certificate that Hawaii has on record and has verified that fact.

reply to post by Stormdancer777

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This is nothing but a witch hunt and not a great expose into learning the truth. There is no constitutional basis for the President to have to disclose all of the information that the writers of the national review want.

If people wanted to know what this man stands for and what political policies that he would enact while in office. Perhaps looking at his congressional voting record would have been more appropriate.

If anyone was actually interested in this as truth they could look up a lot of amazing facts here...

www.votesmart.org...

[edit on 7/30/2009 by whatukno]

sitemason.vanderbilt.edu...

Why Obama's birth certificate issue won't go away: Vanderbilt expert

Why Obama's birth certificate issue won't go away: Vanderbilt expert
ShareThis7/30/20092:18 pm

The controversy over President Obama’s birth certificate will not go away as long as he refuses to release sealed records, including the original birth certificate, according to Carol Swain, professor of political science and law at Vanderbilt University.

“I believe that the president should end the speculation by being transparent about all aspects of his background,” Swain said. “In fact, it can be argued that the president belongs to the people and to scholars, biographers and others who are entitled to know every aspect of his past. Only great men can ascend to this height, and their lives should be examined and studied for the lessons they offer.”

Swain said that what is posted online for the president is a certificate of live birth. “It is the failure to release the long form that keeps suspicion alive,” she said. Swain noted that she strongly disagrees with those who want to criticize Americans, including journalist Lou Dobbs, who continue to raise the issue.

Other sealed records that Swain has called for the president to release include those pertaining to his education, foreign travel and state legislative business.

Carol Swain is available for media interviews at carol.swain@vanderbilt.edu.

reply to post by whatukno

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Like I said.....show the original birth certificate and get it over with. Oh wait...why would he possibly not be able to do that?

Maybe because there isn't one to produce?

Block out the names to protect privacy, then there is no issue.

Show the original, signed, dated and confirmed birth certificate or face whatever criticism is rendered. Not doing so does only one thing and that is make people even MORE suspcious that there is a cover up going on.

Why not just do the easy thing...the right thing and the sensible thing...and just produce the damn original already?

Why is this such a difficult concept for Obamaphiles to grasp? What is being hidden?

reply to post by BlackOps719

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Like I said.....show the original birth certificate and get it over with. Oh wait...why would he possibly not be able to do that?

Maybe because there isn't one to produce?

Block out the names to protect privacy, then there is no issue.

Except that people would just say that it is a forgery or not a legitimate copy if any alterations were made.

This isn't about the truth remember? It's only about vilifying a man that people don't like politically. If it were about the truth than the COLB along with the statements made by officials in Hawaii would have been more than enough. But because it's about a witch hunt no amount of proof is going to slate the people who only want to vilify the POTUS for whatever reason.

Show the original, signed, dated and confirmed birth certificate or face whatever criticism is rendered. Not doing so does only one thing and that is make people even MORE suspcious that there is a cover up going on.

Why not just do the easy thing...the right thing and the sensible thing...and just produce the damn original already?

Why is this such a difficult concept for Obamaphiles to grasp? What is being hidden?

Or show the document AND still have no one believe it anyway.

So really, what is the point of showing a piece of paper that no one would believe?

Originally posted by argentus
reply to post by acrux

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Bravo! Excellent OP! You've rolled every possible invective into it, except perhaps accusing people who question President Obama's nationality as being reptoids. Work that in somehow, okay?

You could use some work on the Zionist angle too. I suggest Rense for further quirky citations.

Don't forget to say "birthers" at least twenty times. Rinse. Repeat. Really top quality reporting.

Shoot the messenger? No way!!! I'm all for the time-honored method -- stoning. It's always served "us" well, right? RIGHT?

Did you even read my post, I just presented it saying how biased it was, sounds like you must have been stoned when you read it & got all muddled.

[edit on 31-7-2009 by acrux]

reply to post by whatukno

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So really, what is the point of showing a piece of paper that no one would believe?

At least then he could say, "Well, we tried, but they don't believe me." But he won't even do that.

reply to post by Totakeke

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And he did, but people don't (at least the ones that believe in this theory don't)

For reference, the following images were taken by people at FactCheck.org.

reply to post by acrux

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Did you even read my post, I just presented it saying how biased it was, sounds like you must have been stoned when you read it & got all muddled.

....... and who created the sensationalized thread title? You or I? Yes, I read your post, read your source for the OP. Agree it was full of hyperbole and was probably written to provoke a reaction, much like your title. Mission completed.

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