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Obama Birth Certificate Deniers Are Right-Wing Militants, Racists & Holocaust Deniers.

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posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 09:09 AM
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Before you shoot the messenger I also would be interested to know the truth about the birth certificate issue, because from what i have seen & heard some things don't seem to add up, eg live birth cert Vs birth cert.

This thread is just to show how this issue is being shown in the biased Australian media, that anyone who questions things about Obama must be a right-wing militants, racists & Holocaust deniers.


FRINGE CLAIM OBAMA NOT A US CITIZEN
www.northernstar.com.au...
A SMALL group of fringe conservatives, many fundamentally opposed to the notion of an African-American as president, are challenging President Barack Obama's eligibility for the US presidency.
On blogs and even before US courts, the so-called "Birthers" are using the Constitution, with its stipulation that presidents be US natural born citizens, to argue Obama should not be in the White House.
Despite proof that Obama was born in the US state of Hawaii, including a birth certificate affirming that fact, rumours continue to spread, fuelled by a group that critics say includes right-wing militants, racists and Holocaust deniers.
"These are people who are fundamentally either racist or extreme right-wingers. That's where the whole movement is coming from," said Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Centre, which studies extremist groups.
The movement is composed of "people who very much do not want Barack Obama to be president, largely because he is black, certainly because he is liberal," he added.
On sites like WorldNetDaily.com, where a petition questioning Obama's place of birth has attracted more than 400,000 electronic "signatories," the so-called Birthers are daily raising "new doubts about the story of Obama's birth."
One of them has already tried in vain three times to sell on EBay a birth certificate purporting to show that Obama was born in Kenya.
They are also taking their cause before US courts, where several lawsuits claiming that Obama was not born on US soil have been dismissed, including by the Supreme Court, which refused to hear argument on the issue.
At the beginning of the week, authorities in the state of Hawaii were forced for the second time since the senator from Illinois became president to certify that Barack Hussein Obama was in fact born in the Kapiolani maternity ward in Honolulu on August 4, 1961 at 7.24pm local time.
The US House of Representatives on Monday passed a non-legally-binding text on the occasion of the 50th anniversary of Hawaii's entry in the United States, affirming that "the 44th president of the United States was born in Hawaii."
"In America there is a history of conspiracy thinking that... is part of a tradition of dissent," said Chip Berlet of Political Research Associates, which studies right-wing movements.
Berlet said a small percentage of the population believes the government has been taken over by a "secret elite" that includes "freemasons, the Catholics, Jewish bankers" and others.
He noted that former president Bill Clinton was also the subject of conspiracy theories that claimed he was seeking the help of the United Nations to confiscate all weapons on American soil.
While the movement has an audience of several hundreds of thousands of sympathisers, their theories are also being broadcast by media figures such as CNN's Lou Dobbs and radio host Rush Limbaugh.
"So you have this right-wing social movement, relatively small but angry, and then you have these major public figures, inflaming them with rhetoric and conspiracy allegations on national television," Berlet told AFP.
According to the Southern Poverty Law Centre, there were 926 racist groups in the United States in 2008, compared to 602 in 2000 - a rise of 54 per cent.
"I think that's very significant, and the numbers continue to rise," said Potok. "Very likely the white supremacist world has been energised by the election of a black man into the White House."


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posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 09:13 AM
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Why the label of holocaust denier label is being used I don't understand because this is not a jewish issue. Seem the controlled media is trying to throw every stupid label at the people who don't want to join the flock of sheople.



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 09:17 AM
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Originally posted by acrux
Why the label of holocaust denier label is being used I don't understand because this is not a jewish issue.


Piling on the labels is standard operating procedure for complete demonization. Not only to dump all the stigma of the labels onto that individual but you also give a local face to those labels and bring the fear home.

We're all skinhead, homophobic, anarchist, militants.



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 09:32 AM
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These are people who are fundamentally either racist or extreme right-wingers. That's where the whole movement is coming from, said Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Centre


Using tactics like that.. gives me the right to use tactics of the same nature against you Mark Potok. Lets not attack the message (the issue is Obamas illegitemate presidency) but the messenger.
Here goes, Potok style:
Mark Potok is one of the biggest reverse racism clowns there is. He's all for white shame and takes any chance he can to absolutely get down on all fours and give any minority a good 'tending to'. This guy is an extreme PC-nanny-state-line-toeing whitewasher.




"Berlet said a small percentage of the "population believes the government has been taken over by a "secret elite" that includes "freemasons, the Catholics, Jewish bankers""


Jeepers. It's quite interesting the amount of normal, law abiding people who are not of much 'conspirational nature' who believe the government and banking systems are run by elite and/or zionists (not **jewish** bankers like the MSM wants everyone to believe we think). Which then lets them pull the damn holohoax card out. With the amount of flip flopping on death figures and official red cross reports, I believe any sane person with a shred of rational has every right to question the accuracy of many alledged events and numbers, which occured during the holocaust.


Actually everyones just enraged 'bcuz hez bleck'. Not.
This is an outrageous propoganda piece, I'm actually amazed at the amount of completely unrelated crap they've tried to pile together to blame anyone who thinks along these lines as 'righty fringe gun nut/racist/nazi/etc etc'. Obviously the PTB are getting a little worried about the amounts of people waking up to the big game in office... that's when these sorts of stops are pulled out to attempt to discredit people.

Disgusting.


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had a good chuckle... APN runs the show in the link. One of the big 5.. suprised yet? It's always great seeing sources like that were you can't comment on them. We couldn't possibly allow anyone to contradict the gospel could we....


edit423786234786,3495795 million ^ 12

To the OP.. a good start is here. www.abovetopsecret.com...

Why on earth would his half sister have dual certs...... another big stinking pile to add into the sewer-full.

[edit on 30/7/09 by GhostR1der]



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 09:34 AM
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What does that make BO, who spends our money like water to keep his BC from inquiring minds?


Wouldnt it be easier to simply release it?


Why all the concealment?



"In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then all that was required was that one of the parents send in a birth certificate to be filed. The birth certificate could be filed by mail. There appears to have been no requirement for the parent to actually physically appear before 'the local registrar of the district,'" the investigator said. He called this option BC2.



Guess how many ways to get Hawaii 'birth certificate'
Some required nothing more than assertion from an adult



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 09:43 AM
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Originally posted by GhostR1der
This is an outrageous propoganda piece, I'm actually amazed at the amount of completely unrelated crap they've tried to pile together to blame anyone who thinks along these lines as 'righty fringe gun nut/racist/nazi/etc etc'. Obviously the PTB are getting a little worried about the amounts of people waking up to the big game in office... that's when these sorts of stops are pulled out to attempt to discredit people.

Disgusting.

[edit on 30/7/09 by GhostR1der]


I thought it was very biased too. Interesting how they say his Birth Certificate is definate prove despite is being a live birth certificate, then the scare-mongering how radical groups are on the rise so as to scare the little old ladies into believing the pigs with their snout in the trough are there to save & protect them.



According to the Southern Poverty Law Centre, there were 926 racist groups in the United States in 2008, compared to 602 in 2000 - a rise of 54 per cent.
"I think that's very significant, and the numbers continue to rise," said Potok. "Very likely the white supremacist world has been energised by the election of a black man into the White House


Plus the the gold old racist card, when it is about the letter of the law (as to Obama being genuine citizen or not), not about being black.


PS. @Ghostrider thanks, already saw that link.
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[edit on 30-7-2009 by acrux]



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 09:44 AM
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Additionally, the way this is spun in the media as "Obama Birth Certificate Deniers Are Right-Wing Militants, Racists & Holocaust Deniers."

Is nothing more than the old Saul Alinsky playbook in action.

Its so tired and obvious, does it really impress anyone anymore?

Do people still fall for it?





RULE 5: "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon." There is no defense. It's irrational. It's infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions. (Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear.)

RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it." Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)


Celebrating Saul Alinsky - born 100 years ago Friday



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 09:49 AM
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Originally posted by DohBama
Additionally, the way this is spun in the media as "Obama Birth Certificate Deniers Are Right-Wing Militants, Racists & Holocaust Deniers."

Is nothing more than the old Saul Alinsky playbook in action.

Its so tired and obvious, does it really impress anyone anymore?

Do people still fall for it?





Yes little old ladies who still think big brother is their friend.



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 09:50 AM
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Originally posted by acrux
FRINGE CLAIM OBAMA NOT A US CITIZEN
www.northernstar.com.au...
A SMALL group of fringe conservatives, many fundamentally opposed to the notion of an African-American as president, ... fuelled by a group that critics say includes right-wing militants, racists and Holocaust deniers.


Sounds like to so-called journalists at the 'Northern Star' are MORONS.
They are just spewing the NWO line instead of doing investigative reporting.
If they have any press credentials, they should have them pulled.
Not exactly rocket scientists ... are they?


- It's not a 'small group'.
- It's not a 'fringe group'.
- It's not a bunch of anti-black people.
- It's not a bunch of right-wing militants.
- It's not a bunch of holocaust deniers.

It's people, all across America, of every different ethnic group and thought process, all demanding that the POTUS be eligible according to the US Constitution and all demanding to know what Mr. Transparency is jumping through hoops to hide.

For the record - I'm not anti-black. I'm not a holocaust denier.
And although I lean to the right I"m not a 'right-wing militant'.

:shk: OY



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 09:59 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Sounds like to so-called journalists at the 'Northern Star' are MORONS.
They are just spewing the NWO line instead of doing investigative reporting.



Just a quick back ground on the Northern Star. It is the town of Lismore NSW, pop 45,000. Owned by larger multi-nationals. One of the reasons this sort of propaganda would be so blatant there is because there is quite a large alternate lifestyle group of people in the area, who are very anti-big brother. Mostly hippies who want the "man" to go away & let them live their lives in freedom, so the paper is used to fear-monger alot in this place.



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 10:02 AM
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Holocaust Deniers? Hehehe!!! They reek of desperation don't they!

IRM

[edit on 30/7/09 by InfaRedMan]



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 10:15 AM
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There was a similar article in the Toronto Star newspaper (Ontario, Canada) a few days ago.

This story is now hitting the mainstream news but they are making sure no one will believe there is anything to it by suggesting if you do believe it then you are a wacko racist nutjob.

They also keep repeating how this is a fringe republican group....I know several people who are not US citizens or "right-wing"(including myself) who would like to see this long form cert.



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 12:15 PM
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I was reading an almost identical article yesterday. I don't really care about the whole "birther" debate and I'm not sure why it is front page news on Australian websites. However comparing "birthers" to holocaust deniers is absurd.

au.news.yahoo.com...



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 12:17 PM
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I Agree With The Newspaper...About the description of these "Birthers" or Obama Birth Certificate Denier's...

Thay are Right-wing constitution supporter nutjobs...and probably racist...


[edit on 30-7-2009 by Next_Heap_With]



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 12:28 PM
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Originally posted by acrux


Yes little old ladies who still think big brother is their friend.


And self-righteous academics who dream of sitting in the Big Brother chair. That's where the majority of the younger big-gov slaves/slavers come from.



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 01:04 PM
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Bravo! Excellent OP! You've rolled every possible invective into it, except perhaps accusing people who question President Obama's nationality as being reptoids. Work that in somehow, okay?

You could use some work on the Zionist angle too. I suggest Rense for further quirky citations.

Don't forget to say "birthers" at least twenty times. Rinse. Repeat. Really top quality reporting.

Shoot the messenger? No way!!! I'm all for the time-honored method -- stoning. It's always served "us" well, right? RIGHT?



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 01:11 PM
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Oh GOD, not another one of these threads!

Shesh oh PETE! Cmon people, give it a rest, you know he was born in Hawaii and doesn't have to show you squat.




posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 01:13 PM
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Originally posted by whatukno
Oh GOD, not another one of these threads! Shesh oh PETE! Cmon people, give it a rest, you know he was born in Hawaii and doesn't have to show you squat.

You didn't read the thread or the opening post.
It's about a newspaper in Australia, not about if Obama is an American or not.



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 01:16 PM
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The Real First Refuge Of A Scoundrel

Let's not forget "Birthers" blight crops, sour milk and frighten children.


The very fact that there's such a raucous, obnoxious crowd of "Bommies" opposing the call for validating the President's origin of birth suggests there's something to hide.

If President Obama's place of birth is truly legitimate, then absolutely nothing the "Birthers" say or do could possibly change that.

So why the fuss? Why blow smoke where there is no fire?

If they didn't feel threatened by the inquiry, why bother to organize a campaign to demonize the inquirers in the first place?



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 01:33 PM
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If they didn't feel threatened by the inquiry, why bother to organize a campaign to demonize the inquirers in the first place?


There is indeed a threat. Its a threat to progress. If Birthers are indeed allowed to continue this debate over and over, and the white house has to repeatedly defend itself over and over and keep on with this issue the problem becomes that of being bogged down by this.

It's akin to a filibuster. Dragging down an entire presidency to one issue that has already been resolved and forcing people to deal with something unrelated to the current political climate.

When we the people that don't buy into the propaganda spread by WND and question the birthers on this issue we show them what information is available to everyone with a search engine.

We then ask for the proof of the accusation from the birthers and we get badly hoaxed articles, opinion from a dentist, and people who would otherwise be more and better opponents to Obama's "socialist" policies marginalized into a group that has no standing, and has no credible evidence to support their theory.

While the article tries to paint these people as closet racists, this is a fact that I don't wholly agree with. I am sure quite a number of birthers are racists but some aren't some are just so disenchanted with the U.S. government that anything that can be used against them (even made up) will be pushed to an extreme.

It is this pathological hatred of a government figure that is what needs to be studied. Questions do need to be asked, like who is really behind this conspiracy? What do those that support this conspiracy hope to gain? And in the end what proof will be deemed worthy enough to end the debate?

The last question I can answer.

Nothing and no one will end this debate. No amount of proof, no piece of paper and no certification will ever be enough for the birthers. Anything that is to come forward from this will undoubtedly be a lie and a forgery and so the debate will continue as long as there are those that hate and wish to discredit this current administration under any cost.

Because this is now more so a pathological condition rather than honest inquiry, it's obvious that any attempt to placate and prove the president's U.S. birth will be met with sharp criticism and disdain. These people will undoubtedly reject reality and substitute their own which is evident by the many many hoax articles that circulate around WND on this issue.



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