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UK's national ID card unveiled

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posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 11:54 AM
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Actually, Notagain is not the exception, she/he is the rule. The majority of the sheeple will go along with whatever the government says; they don't want to break the rules. The NWO is going to have a very easy time, it is only a handful of people who know their true intentions and will resist.




posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 11:58 AM
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May I ask what your idea of Total Control is.

May I also ask what your idea of freedom is.

No man can truly control you, even if you were locked in a room with no windows and no doors you would still be free and still have everything you truly needed.



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 12:02 PM
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When you have Jacqui Smith as the front woman of ID cards then it makes your blood boil just looking at her

Just look at this thing (not the id card)



Anyway, even though she has been replaced by an old man it still makes me clench my fists when I think about what a big bloody waste of money this woman has created, and not just on her gay porn collection.

[edit on 30-7-2009 by dodgygeeza]



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 12:58 PM
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Originally posted by NotAgain
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May I ask what your idea of Total Control is.

May I also ask what your idea of freedom is.

No man can truly control you, even if you were locked in a room with no windows and no doors you would still be free and still have everything you truly needed.


You ever watched a episode of these big brother shows? Its kinda like that, instead its not just a house, its the whole world. Being watched everywhere you go. Having to do things you dont want to do i.e whether it be a certain job or task. Not being able to think for yourself. Not being able to have a choice in life. Then when it comes too mutch for you, you can't bail out, your forced into a room with rubber walls, thats you for life. Thats what i see as total control.

Being able to have a choice in life, being able to think for yourself. Being able to have privacy in life. Being able to speak how you want to speak.

Yes, you can be truly controlled. Go ask the child who has been metally and physically abused growing up. Well, the rest of your sentence sounds like control to me.


Tsom87



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 01:03 PM
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I call on all skilled hackers to change Gordon Brown's god given name to Mr. Bloby - Then the fat T***er can't cash his pay cheque - he don't deserve it any way, he's not fit to unblock toilets.



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 02:17 PM
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Originally posted by dodgygeeza
When you have Jacqui Smith as the front woman of ID cards then it makes your blood boil just looking at her

Just look at this thing (not the id card)



Anyway, even though she has been replaced by an old man it still makes me clench my fists when I think about what a big bloody waste of money this woman has created, and not just on her gay porn collection.

[edit on 30-7-2009 by dodgygeeza]


I'm no believer in Reptillians, but I tell you I could be swayed with one look at this gal, sends shivers down my spine!



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 03:02 PM
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This is a blatant violation of privacy rights if it is ever forced through. Also NotAgain how can you be so blindly trusting. Even if you do not have something to hide now you may do at some point.

The point is that when these monitoring schemes are in place then they can pass new laws with impunity. Try thinking about the future. One the government is able to know every single thing you do and round you up if you do something wrong then there is nothing to stop them passing new more extreme laws. Think about it, say you the gov. want to pass a law that completely removes freedom of the press and speech. Right now that would cause huge problems and uprest. People would protest, riot and cause various other problems. Others would flee the country. Now imagine that you are able to watch everyone, know where they are going, what they are doing, what their intentions are etc. You can stop people leaving the country if you have reason to believe that they are leaving with no intention of returning. You can track the people that have travelled across the country to riots and protests so that when they get home you can arrest or fine them or find some other way of punishing them.

That is what can be done when the gov. is completely aware of what people are doing. They can punish and prevent actions that they do not like with impunity. It may not matter now if they know everything that we are doing (at least not to you) but remember that things change and we do not know how they will be in the future.

-Cauch1



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 03:56 PM
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Yes I am quiet familiar with Big Brother "Not the TV show" and in my own opinion there is a lot of hype and disinformation, I blame people like Alex Jones. How do these people sleep at night, In a room with no windows and no doors.

You have little faith.

You are perceiving much negativity out of a scenario in your mind. A scenario based on what others think may and may not happen, or what might and might not be happening. Do you really think the information put out there by conspiracy theorist is going to make you free, how do you sleep in a room with no windows and no doors.

Let me make this more understandable.

No man can truly control you

- Man can slave you, beat you, rape you, and then kill you "He will never truly control you" The end of this life, is the begining of a new life "No man can control you there"

You have little faith.

even if you were locked in a room with no windows and no doors you would still be free and still have everything you truly needed

- You cannot be locked in a room with no windows and no doors, that room only exist in your mind. Once you drop your beliefs "Drop the scenario" You are free and you have everything you need.



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 05:10 PM
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Well we obviously see things much differently. I do believe someone can control you. Mentally or Physically.

One day mabay the world as a whole will be controlled both ways.

Tsom87



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 06:12 PM
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Originally posted by kiwifoot

I'm no believer in Reptillians, but I tell you I could be swayed with one look at this gal, sends shivers down my spine!


You think she's bad.. just be happy it wasnt this beast fronting it!




posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 06:27 PM
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Arrghhh, didn't avert my eyes in time.

That below the belt, you should have warned us!

Has the UK got the ugliest politicians in the world?

Got to be close.



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 07:04 PM
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It looks like the new Portuguese ID card, maybe they will start spreading this type of card all over Europe.



Portugal already had a national ID card, we just changed to a more hi-tech approach.



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 07:10 PM
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Can somebody help me out here?

At my last job I distinctly remember seeing a government notice (it came with all the PAYE forms) to the effect that in future employers would have to ask job applicants to produce their passports before they could employ them.

I also received notification from an estate agents that landlords or their managing agents would need to request a person's passport before they let a property to them.

I was about to move, so I got a passport thinking I'd need it to get a new home and job. The estate agent didn't ask to see it, though.

Does anyone know anything about this?

True story - a friend hadn't used his Blockbuster card for several months and then decided he wanted to rent something. Because he hadn't been there for so long the assistant told him he would have to produce his passport as proof of ID before they would allow him to rent anything. That's just ridiculous.

Oh wait - how much easier it would have been for him if he had one of Jacqui Smith's ID cards. Nah, surely she wouldn't have backed the whole idea just because her husband.......



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 07:21 PM
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While it won’t technically be compulsory, it still will be.

Because I guarantee that eventually to open a bank account you will need to show your national ID, or to fill out some tax form you will need to put down your National ID number, to go to University you will need to show the National ID etc etc.

It’s also much cheaper than the passport, and if you will be able to use it instead of a passport while travelling in Europe (as with other European ID cards) then I guarantee a lot of Brits who head to Spain and the Med will just pay the cheaper price for the ID card and then much more expensive one for the passport.

So while it won’t be compulsory, I guarantee you WILL need to have it for other things, I guess that’s the sneaky way of making everyone have it.

Mikey



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 07:26 PM
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The whole concept of the Nationa Id card, was to combat illegal immigration, fraud, terroism, supposingly.

Alot of people found out later, it is basically so the Governement or the powers thatbe, can have access to all your personal data, and store it.

Although they have millions of peoples dna profiles, etc on databases, which Imay add is open to fraud. There has been numerous cases, of Disc's etc, with peoples personal details being mislaid, left in backseats of cars etc, or which have gone missing. Beggars belief, that we are to trust our Government with our most important details.

The Umberella notion, that the ID CARDS are meant to fight the above which I have mentioned is baseless, and inaccurate, basically they just want to control our lifes everday of the week.

Reversing the role of the State!

Us the Citizens being the subjects of the state, no the other way around.

[edit on 30-7-2009 by Laurauk]



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 07:33 PM
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It's farcical - if they want to control or stop illegal immigration they could do a bit more to secure our borders.

And I don't see how being forced to carry ID cards will protect us from 'home grown' terrorists.

As I mentioned, they seem to be setting in motion a society where we all need a passport to do anything important. Just softening us up, I suppose.



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 07:38 PM
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For those, who think these cards are complusory, the Government had to climb down on this, due to public outcry, growing opposition from other MP's from other parties.

The ID Cards a voluntry for now.

Still I willnot be volunteering for one.



posted on Jul, 31 2009 @ 04:32 AM
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Yeah your right they look almost exactly the same. Either they are being made by the same company (who look set to get rich) or there is a darker link
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-Cauch1



posted on Jul, 31 2009 @ 05:04 AM
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It's another move towards a cashless society where your every move and every transaction is monitored and regulated.

It is also another example of the British people having something forced upon them which they do not want and how party politics and the current electoral and parliamentary procedures have failed us.
Democracy?
Don't make me laugh.

It is up to us to stand up against it and make sure this does not happen.



posted on Jul, 31 2009 @ 06:39 AM
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This is a load of bull# too..... just another way to get there hands on more of our cash!!

Luckily for me i don't need one as i'm a British Citizen



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