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reply posted on 31-7-2009 @ 06:35 PM by impressme
reply to post by pieman



very little of it, but your damned if i'll align myself with raving nutjobs who seem to have invested so much of their personality in the truth movement that they can't see the wood for the trees and think their very life depends on not giving a single inch.


Pot calling kettle!


reply posted on 1-8-2009 @ 09:53 AM by jthomas
Originally posted by evil incarnate
Originally posted by jthomas
Splitting hairs? That's the oddest thing anyone has written yet.

In fact, the so-called "Official Story" is a 9/11 Denial Movement canard, and always has been. There is no "official story." It's standard methodology of all denial movements to hide behind that made-up canard specifically to avoid having to deal with actual evidence. We've all known that all along.



Are you really this desperate? If you could keep up, you are mocking the use of the words "official story" when actually the original phrase here was "government story." If you really need to win an argument soooo badly that you want to say there was no such thing called that either, I am sorry but that is weak. You know very well that the phrase "government story" was not a proper name but a reference. It was a reference to the story our government started feeding us from the time the first plane hit on. Every lie they told, every 'explanation' they had, every excuse and so on. You know that as well as anyone else reading this and yet you want to argue about the proper name? Well, if that makes you feel like a big girl, have at it.


This is why you guys are known as 9/11 Deniers.

It's too bad that you are so stuck in denial of the fact that the majority of the actual, verifiable, evidence did not originate with, nor was ever controlled by, the government, no matter what the government says or does not say about it.

This is why you 9/11 Deniers are deluding yourselves and will never get anywhere. The problem is entirely YOURS and nobody else's. You are stuck with your heads in the ground and NEVER willing to question the origin or validity of your own crazy beliefs or begin to understand the nature of evidence or the irrational implications in which your claims result.

You can't let ago of silly "anomalies" or claims of "withholding" evidence as MAJOR revelations of a conspiracy at work while completely shutting out of your awareness that the conclusions of what we know happened on 9/11 is derived from hundreds of independent lines of evidence. You must DENY evidence and reality to keep your "Official 9/11 Conspiracy Theories" alive.

Get real and wake up from your dreams.

Sheesh...


reply posted on 1-8-2009 @ 01:10 PM by evil incarnate
Originally posted by jthomas
This is why you guys are known as 9/11 Deniers.

It's too bad that you are so stuck in denial of the fact that the majority of the actual, verifiable, evidence did not originate with, nor was ever controlled by, the government, no matter what the government says or does not say about it.


What verifiable evidence? Please enlighten us. You mean the plane parts that were never identified? The DNA that had no reference to be matched to but was? The NIST report? The worthless footage? What verifiable evidence are you talking about?

This is why you 9/11 Deniers are deluding yourselves and will never get anywhere. The problem is entirely YOURS and nobody else's. You are stuck with your heads in the ground and NEVER willing to question the origin or validity of your own crazy beliefs or begin to understand the nature of evidence or the irrational implications in which your claims result.


Then it should not bother you. You are now free to go to some alien bases on Mars thread and take up residence there. This is of no consequence to anyone including you so just leave it and be gone.

You can't let ago of silly "anomalies" or claims of "withholding" evidence as MAJOR revelations of a conspiracy at work while completely shutting out of your awareness that the conclusions of what we know happened on 9/11 is derived from hundreds of independent lines of evidence. You must DENY evidence and reality to keep your "Official 9/11 Conspiracy Theories" alive.

Get real and wake up from your dreams.

Sheesh...



100s of lines of evidence? I cannot wait. All this time and somehow I have missed this overwhelming evidence. I cannot even begin to convey how excited I am in anticipation of it.


reply posted on 1-8-2009 @ 02:29 PM by jthomas
Originally posted by jprophet420
It's too bad that you are so stuck in denial of the fact that the majority of the actual, verifiable, evidence did not originate with, nor was ever controlled by, the government, no matter what the government says or does not say about it.

In that case I challenge you to find one example where I partake in this action. I'll start by showing you the evidence I have that directly refutes the statement you just made.

Confiscated videos

I have heard a lot about all of the videos that have been confiscated, and I think most people assume that the videos are all from the pentagon surveillance cameras. I found this list searching for flight 77 videos...



www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 1-8-2009 by jprophet420]


This is just an example of why I wrote this:

"You can't let ago of silly "anomalies" or claims of "withholding" evidence as MAJOR revelations of a conspiracy at work while completely shutting out of your awareness that the conclusions of what we know happened on 9/11 is derived from hundreds of independent lines of evidence. You must DENY evidence and reality to keep your "Official 9/11 Conspiracy Theories" alive.

And I have written about the videos many times, most recently here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

It is quite clear that any videos are completely irrelevant to knowing that AA77 crashed into the Pentagon. It is only through denying the existence of all the other evidence and its convergence on the inescapable conclusion that AA77 hit the Pentagon that 9/11 Deniers like jprophet pretend one has to have videos to know that AA77 hit the Pentagon. That is transparently nonsensical and shows how deep in the woo 9/11 Deniers have gotten.



reply posted on 1-8-2009 @ 04:00 PM by jprophet420
reply to post by jthomas



You didn't answer my question, and you claim to have refuted something I said in another thread. Follow that link and there is nothing factual that you wrote that debunks what I said. No link to any evidence to support your case, shame.

Skills indeed.


reply posted on 1-8-2009 @ 04:33 PM by jthomas
Originally posted by jprophet420
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post by jthomas



You didn't answer my question, and you claim to have refuted something I said in another thread. Follow that link and there is nothing factual that you wrote that debunks what I said. No link to any evidence to support your case, shame.

Skills indeed.


Go ahead, be my guest, make any case you want about videos.

I can wait.


reply posted on 1-8-2009 @ 11:23 PM by jprophet420
Originally posted by jthomas
Originally posted by jprophet420
reply to
post by jthomas



You didn't answer my question, and you claim to have refuted something I said in another thread. Follow that link and there is nothing factual that you wrote that debunks what I said. No link to any evidence to support your case, shame.

Skills indeed.


Go ahead, be my guest, make any case you want about videos.

I can wait.

I've already completely proven you wrong. You said there was no cover up, I showed it to you. I illustrated the videos being with held.

It's too bad that you are so stuck in denial of the fact that the majority of the actual, verifiable, evidence did not originate with, nor was ever controlled by, the government...


The link that I provided 100% refutes your statement.


reply posted on 2-8-2009 @ 08:42 AM by Donny 4 million
reply to post by sanchoearlyjones



Well said, nice and simple and to the point.
golden fleese on an other thread posted this info about
operation NORTHWOOD.
You can find it on any search. Kinda bone chilling considering what is going on recently.
Comments please!


reply posted on 2-8-2009 @ 08:56 AM by jthomas
Originally posted by tezzajw
Originally posted by jthomas
Feel free to demonstrate that AA77 was not identified, nor its parts
Go ahead, make my day.

jthomas, the burden of proof is upon the people who believe that Flight AA77 hit the Pentagon.


Sorry that evasion doesn't work. You have to refute ALL the evidence that AA77 hit the Pentagon.

You haven't and your refuse to. You have had almost 8 years and you have never refuted ANY of the evidence.

Originally posted by jthomas
Another epic fail from a 9/11 Denier.
Sorry, Bubba, the burden of proof is entirely on your shoulders. You can't even give us a source for your claims.

Another epic fail from a government story believer.

It is clear, as I pointed out in the OP, that jthomas has murdered Logic 101.

The burden of proof, to identify the alleged parts and wreckage, belongs to those people who make that claim that they came from Flight AA77.


9/11 Deniers like you don't have a clue what logic is.

Let's try again:

You have PLENTY of sources who had direct access to the wreckage both inside and outside the Pentagon, over 1,000 people.

When asked to present their statements, you 9/11 Deniers have REFUSED. Ever since CIT was asked to present their statements they have simply refused and every 9/11 Denier since then has refused.

Now you're trying again to desperately to evade your responsibility to deal with ALL of the evidence that AA77 hit the Pentagon.

If you don't believe it did, then DEMONSTRATE by REFUTING the existing evidence. It's your claim, its your responsibility. None of us have to do anything except wait for you to perform. And when confronted with your responsibility to perform, you whine incessantly that the rest of the world has to do your homework for you.

Way back when Darwin proposed his theory of natural selection, it was his burden of proof to demonstrate it. In the interim 150 years later the evidence for natural selection from multiple lines of evidence was accepted by scientists and the burden of proof shifted to evolutions detractors. Now we have religious fundamentalists and Creationists trying to cast doubt on evolutionary biology by making claims that are not demonstrated and misrepresent facts in order to "cast doubt" on evolution.

9/11 Deniers are like Creationists. It's the nature of Denial.

We'll continue to hold your feet to the fire, tezzajw, and remind you of your evasions of responsibility.
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