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posted on Aug, 29 2009 @ 10:13 AM
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Originally posted by impressme
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Are you one of the owners or are you an employee of ATS or any group affiliated with ATS?


Why are you asking me? Ask Skeptic Overlord.




posted on Aug, 29 2009 @ 10:28 AM
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Originally posted by impressme

Jthomas has every right to give us his opinions on anything; however opinions and assumptions are not facts. There is nothing wrong in believing in a fairytale. I have yet to see any evidences to support the OS that is credible, or scientific that can be verified, Nothing!


There's your strawman again. And when I ask you why you haven't seen any evidence, and how you can, you whine that evidence doesn't matter.

How dumb is that?


So, I have to assume Jthomas has seen this magical piece of evidence and is not sharing it with us. So, until Jthomas shares this information with us we will just assume he is just trolling around the 911 forums looking to get into an emotional fight with people who do not believe in the OS fairytales.


That is such a ridiculous statement. I don't have to provide you a thing . The evidence doesn't come from me. Duh. I have repeatedly given you the sources of evidence of what the wreckage was at the Pentagon. You simply REFUSE to go get it.

Sorry, impressme, you don't have special rights. You have to do your own homework. Capiche?


This is what this thread is about, people who believe in the OS....


By now, you should feel pretty dumb for resorting to that strawman again.



This is another lesson on how 9/11 "Truthers" became 9/11 Deniers and have come to believe on what they were told as if it were a religion. They're no different than Creationists who insist against all evidence that the earth is only 6,000 years old.

The "Official 9/11 Truth Movement Fairy Tale" is the 9/11 "Truther's" Bible.



posted on Aug, 29 2009 @ 05:31 PM
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Why are you asking me? Ask Skeptic Overlord.


So, I assume you are, since you will not answer my question. That explains why YOU get away with all the insults and ridiculing you do to everyone all these years. I have always wondered if this is what you guys do, to keep a heated discussion going. Baiting and antagonize the opponent, always saying the opposite.



Why are you asking me? Ask Skeptic Overlord.


As if he is going to tell me.



posted on Aug, 29 2009 @ 06:00 PM
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The "Official 9/11 Truth Movement Fairy Tale" is the 9/11 "Truther's" Bible.


There is no such thing as "Official 9/11 Truth Movement Fairy Tale". Here let me throw you a truth life raft because your ship of lies is sinking and you are drowning.


There's your strawman again. And when I ask you why you haven't seen any evidence, and how you can, you whine that evidence doesn't matter.


You have never asked me why I haven’t seen any evidences! And I don’t whine that is something you do all the time because your OS fairytales is crumbling every day with more sciences proven it false.


I have repeatedly given you the sources of evidence of what the wreckage was at the Pentagon. You simply REFUSE to go get it.


Jthomas, you haven’t giving me anything furthermore, I have not ask you anything YET?
So stop making up stories, you and I have never debated anything regarding 911 yet.


Sorry, impressme, you don't have special rights. You have to do your own homework. Capiche?


I have done my research the problem here is, you have not. You only repeat what the OS propaganda, media spins for the government as if they don’t already tell enough lie’s



By now, you should feel pretty dumb for resorting to that strawman again.



The truth does not need to be hid behind strawman, something you should already know.


This is another lesson on how 9/11 "Truthers" became 9/11 Deniers


There is no such thing as a Truther becoming a Deniers! Where is the logic in that?


as if it were a religion. They're no different than Creationists who insist against all evidence that the earth is only 6,000 years old.


One insult after another and YOU are never held accountable for you false dribble that you call facts. So now you are claiming everyone who does not believe in the OS are now all Creationists who insist against all evidence that the earth is only 6,000 years old. You are really desperate to come up with that false statement. Your boat is sinking Jthomas.



[edit on 30-8-2009 by impressme]



posted on Aug, 29 2009 @ 06:51 PM
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Originally posted by impressme
So now you are claiming everyone who does not believe in the OS are now all Creationists who insist against all evidence that the earth is only 6,000 years old. You are really desperate to come up with that false statement. Your boat is sinking Jthomas.

Wow... jthomas wants to bring creationism into the thread - further proving my point that some official government story believers really don't know how to debate logically.

Thanks for that pearl of false wisdom, jthomas!!!

(Thanks for the continued thread bumps and the discrete lots of 5 points too. I can count on scoring from you all the day long.)



posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 12:08 PM
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Originally posted by impressme
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Why are you asking me? Ask Skeptic Overlord.


So, I assume you are, since you will not answer my question.


That's "Truther" logic for you.



posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 12:19 PM
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Originally posted by impressme
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The "Official 9/11 Truth Movement Fairy Tale" is the 9/11 "Truther's" Bible.


There is no such thing as "Official 9/11 Truth Movement Fairy Tale".


Of course there is.

Remember, you claim there is an "Official Story" and anyone who questions or refutes your claims is an "Official Story Believer".

Never mind that there is no such thing. There is only the evidence that uyou cannot refute.

Did you forget your own beliefs and mantra, impresseme?

So, by your very own standards, you are an "Official 9/11 Truth Movement Fairy Tale". And you are even more so since any facts and real evidence are inconvenient to your political goals.

Remember, impressme, you 9/11 Truth Movement Fairy Tale Believers cannot have your cake and eat it, too.



posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 12:25 PM
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Originally posted by tezzajw

Originally posted by impressme
So now you are claiming everyone who does not believe in the OS are now all Creationists who insist against all evidence that the earth is only 6,000 years old. You are really desperate to come up with that false statement. Your boat is sinking Jthomas.

Wow... jthomas wants to bring creationism into the thread -


ALL forms of "denial" share the same characteristics.

You 9/11 Deniers deny facts, evidence, and the scientific method in the same manner as Creationists, Moon Landing Deniers, Round-Earth Deniers, and Holocaust Deniers do. There is no mystery about that - it has been discussed for years.

Denial is denial is denial.

What do you 9/11 Deniers think you do, anyway?


[edit on 31-8-2009 by jthomas]



posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 02:08 PM
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Originally posted by jthomas
Remember, you claim there is an "Official Story" and anyone who questions or refutes your claims is an "Official Story Believer".


Get over this already. What is your major damage anyway? I asked you quite clearly and even politely but you refused to answer me. Are you braindead or just a bad liar?

The President of the United States told us a story. The Secretary of Defense told us a story. The Press Secretary told us a story. They all told us a story about 19 muslim extremists who stole planes and then crashed them into buildings.

With me so far? Any of that above false? Want to correct any of it? Any of it seem unfamiliar to you?

No?

Good.

So, now maybe you can asnwer me this time. If there is no such thing as an Official Story, what do you call the story we were told by our government?

You can whine all you like about evidence and chain of posession and who looked at what all you like. In the end, our government told us what happend that day. They told us and the MSM who then repeated it over and over and over again.

So, as per your wishes, no more Official Story.

What do you want to call it?

Do not weasel or deflect now. It is a simple straight forward question. Can you handle it?



posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 09:47 PM
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Remember, you claim there is an "Official Story" and anyone who questions or refutes your claims is an "Official Story Believer".


WRONG!!! There is an OS! The media and the Newspapers the radio and your lying 911 commission report, and your lying NIST report, and your lying FEMA report, “SAYS that is their OS” is it NOT? Jthomas, why don’t you stop playing your silly children games. The OS that the government has told the public is a lie, therefore it is a fairytale.

You make claim there is no OS well, you’re the first person in nine years to come forth and make that statement and no one is supporting your ridiculous silly claim is there.


Remember, impressme, you 9/11 Truth Movement Fairy Tale Believers cannot have your cake and eat it, too.


Truth and fairytales are opposites! You can call all people who do not believe in your views, silly little baby names all you like however, I do not believe in fairytales and if you feel that I do then why don’t YOU demonstrate what fairytales that you can prove ( with sources and links of courses,) that you think that I believe in .



posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 01:10 AM
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Why are you asking me? Ask Skeptic Overlord.

So, I assume you are, since you will not answer my question.

That's "Truther" logic for you.


No, that is you refusing to answer a simple questions “for you.”



posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 01:56 AM
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ALL forms of "denial" share the same characteristics.


Say whom?


You 9/11 Deniers deny facts, evidence, and the scientific method in the same manner as Creationists, Moon Landing Deniers, Round-Earth Deniers, and Holocaust Deniers do. There is no mystery about that - it has been discussed for years.


Jthomas when are you going to stop ridiculing everyone?

Since when do people searching for the true become Deniers, then why bother searching for the truth in the first place right Jthomas?

The OS lacks all the evidence to support it’s self. We do not have any proof if those said airplanes where the real planes.

We do not have any proof of what really hit the pentagon.

We do not have any real proof that the alleged hijacked airplanes cause the WTC to collapse since the NIST report has been proven a fraud.

We do not have any proof that 19 hijackers really hijacked those planes and carried out 911 since the head director of the FBI Robert Muller had to make a public statement that we may never know who those hijackers were, since they left no paper trail to any country, not to mention the stolen identities they were using. Now we have seven of the alleged hijackers walking around suing the government to clear their names. This alone Jthomas, proves the government is lying. Looks to me it is YOU that is doing the Denying on this topic!


There is no mystery about that - it has been discussed for years.


Typical response and tactics that disinformationist use. Funny you are saying 911 has all been discussed for years, then why do you post everyday screaming the OS is true, why even bother. You have NEVER been able to prove the OS is true so why are you defending it.

The reason I post ever day in the 911 forum is because I do not believe in the OS and I post SOURCES and links to scientific credible hard facts.

I only believe what scientific facts support NOTHING else. I do not have to lie to support a scientific fact.

How dare you, associate me with as a Holocaust Denier I am Jewish and I lost family in Poland, shame on you!



[edit on 1-9-2009 by impressme]



posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 01:25 PM
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Who ever said it first was right on the money. One can never underestimate the intelligence of 9/11 "Truthers."



posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 03:15 PM
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Originally posted by jthomas

Originally posted by tezzajw

Originally posted by impressme
So now you are claiming everyone who does not believe in the OS are now all Creationists who insist against all evidence that the earth is only 6,000 years old. You are really desperate to come up with that false statement. Your boat is sinking Jthomas.

Wow... jthomas wants to bring creationism into the thread -


ALL forms of "denial" share the same characteristics.

You 9/11 Deniers deny facts, evidence, and the scientific method in the same manner as Creationists, Moon Landing Deniers, Round-Earth Deniers, and Holocaust Deniers do. There is no mystery about that - it has been discussed for years.

Denial is denial is denial.

What do you 9/11 Deniers think you do, anyway?


[edit on 31-8-2009 by jthomas]



Denial is a common label for certain reactions to bad news. However, true denial is rare, and most cases actually represent a variety of responses with very different causes and needs. Three of these, disbelief, deferral, and dismissal, are characterized according to origins and needs. Failure to differentiate between these seemingly similar behaviors can result in inappropriate counseling, and interfere with attempts to convey information and provide support during a time of crisis.


Sounds like someone we all know...



posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 04:21 PM
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Originally posted by jthomas
Who ever said it first was right on the money. One can never underestimate the intelligence of 9/11 "Truthers."



LOL, and a star for you! That is right, you can never underestimate the intelligence of "truthers."

I am afraid you do not know what that sentence means so thank you very much. It is about time you realised that we were your supperiors!



posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 05:15 PM
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Who ever said it first was right on the money. One can never underestimate the intelligence of 9/11 "Truthers."


Same for the OS believers! You are not a psychiatrist, so stop assuming what people think, you are not a mind reader either.



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 10:37 AM
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Originally posted by impressme
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Who ever said it first was right on the money. One can never underestimate the intelligence of 9/11 "Truthers."


Same for the OS believers! You are not a psychiatrist, so stop assuming what people think, you are not a mind reader either.



I never claimed to be a mind reader. I read what you actually write. So do other rational people like me.

We laugh at silliness like your "OS believers" fallacy.

Jay Utah at BAUTforum (the Bad Astronomy Forum) coined another description of 9/11 Truthers years ago: "It must be nice to live in a world completely unburdened by reality."



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 03:14 PM
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So do other rational people like me.


I don’t think you are rational.


We laugh at silliness like your "OS believers" fallacy.


Pal you need help if you think 911 is so amusing. You laugh in the families and firemen and police officers faces that were murder on 911. You think you have all the answers to what happened on 911 but you don’t. If you did, you wouldn’t be wasting your time on 911 threads baiting and ridiculing every one, and that’s the truth.


Jay Utah at BAUTforum (the Bad Astronomy Forum) coined another description of 9/11 Truthers years ago: "It must be nice to live in a world completely unburdened by reality."


I wouldn’t know about that, however, in your desperate attempts to railroad this topic by ridiculing and baiting, why don’t you go learn some manners, and stop being so disrespectful to everyone.



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 07:11 PM
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Originally posted by impressme
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So do other rational people like me.


I don’t think you are rational.


Irrational people are unable to.


We laugh at silliness like your "OS believers" fallacy.



Pal you need help if you think 911 is so amusing.


You really LOVE strawman arguments. That's the only defense you can come up with. You just can't admit that none of us depend on "stories". You've been so indoctrinated in the "official story" canard that you worship it on your knees. You can't STAND evidence.


You laugh in the families and firemen and police officers faces that were murder on 911.


I expect your apology for that statement within 24 hours or I will report you.


You think you have all the answers to what happened on 911 but you don’t.


What I know is simple and straightforward. YOU "Truthers" have never refuted ANY of the evidence. NEVER. And you can't. Instead, you make fanciful claims you cannot demonstrate and you cannot stand ANYONE who questions your claims.


If you did, you wouldn’t be wasting your time on 911 threads baiting and ridiculing every one, and that’s the truth.


I am here to provide those YOU want to attract a warning about the irrationality, posturing, false claims, and evasions of you 9/11 Deniers.


Jay Utah at BAUTforum (the Bad Astronomy Forum) coined another description of 9/11 Truthers years ago: "It must be nice to live in a world completely unburdened by reality."



I wouldn’t know about that,...


Then learn about it. It's directed to you and for good reason.


...however, in your desperate attempts to railroad this topic...


You all made the claim in the topic. I show you why it's a false claim. That you want to avoid the falsehood of the OP is your problem.


...by ridiculing and baiting, why don’t you go learn some manners, and stop being so disrespectful to everyone.


I will continue to warn others of your disrespect for reason, millions of dedicated Americans who work for the government, the victims families, and the truth.

Now, your apology, please.



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 11:22 PM
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The OP has brought a very important topic to this thread. We all understand why it is impossible to have a civil discussion about 911 because we have to tolerate such childish behaviors, I try and overlook as much as possible but there are some impossible cases you can not ignore.


I find it interesting, that over the last few months an influx of new ATS members (and even some alleged government spooks) are trying to blur this clear distinction. Their methods involve false logic and obvious generalisations that just aren't true.


I totally agree with this statement, I have had a constant run in with some of these people myself. I have not seen such distortion and twisted generalizations I have to believe some of these people are paid to spew such nonsense to come on these 911 threads and spew the same old garbage repeatedly.


Yes that's right... how can one be a government story believer, yet also casually accept that Flight UA93 was shot down and not even think twice to question the cover-up?


I have to believe he is new at being a disinformationist.


You either accept all of it, as a government story believer, or you question some of it and become a truther.


I agree with you on this statement, I used to believe in the government stories I bought it hook line and sinker it was told to me though television all the net-work sold the OS to me and I never question it. Back then I had a lot of faith in my government sure I knew they were corrupt but I only assumed only handfuls were poisoned.

It was back in 2004 when I had a disturbing wake-up call I watched a video about 911 and the questions that were being asked in the video were quite compelling to say the lease. I stumble on loose change and watch some of their videos The questions that were be asked were being ignored by the media and by our government and still are today.
That is when I started to do my own research, what I uncovered change my life forever!
The more I dug deep into the 911 OS the more lies I kept uncovering. That is how I discovered what a shill is, one who protect the OS at all cost. I also learned about how disinformationist operates and what tactics they used to railroad topic of any kind.
I have no doubt that there are some disinformationists here on ATS and in the 911 forms doing their jobs.


Some government story believers even try to convince us that there is no official government story... ah-huh. Sure. If that makes them sleep well at night, then so be it.


Those people have to be disinformationist. No truther will say that and any skeptic on both sides will not even say that. These are paid disinformationist running their spin of lies and deceit to protect the real perpetrators.



When reading other threads, keep your eyes open, look for the false claims and who's making them. I haven't mentioned member names in this thread, however, I can support all of my examples with links, if need be. I'd rather not attack anyone personally.


We know who they are, no names need to be mentioned



The next time one of you government story believers makes a false assumption about what I believe, I'll be adding your quote here in this thread to point out your logical failings.


You should, here is one for you that was just said to me.



This is another lesson on how 9/11 "Truthers" became 9/11 Deniers and have come to believe on what they were told as if it were a religion. They're no different than Creationists who insist against all evidence that the earth is only 6,000 years old.

The "Official 9/11 Truth Movement Fairy Tale" is the 9/11 "Truther's" Bible.


And here is another one.




ALL forms of "denial" share the same characteristics.

You 9/11 Deniers deny facts, evidence, and the scientific method in the same manner as Creationists, Moon Landing Deniers, Round-Earth Deniers, and Holocaust Deniers do. There is no mystery about that - it has been discussed for years.

Denial is denial is denial.

What do you 9/11 Deniers think you do, anyway?




You really LOVE strawman arguments. That's the only defense you can come up with. You just can't admit that none of us depend on "stories". You've been so indoctrinated in the "official story" canard that you worship it on your knees. You can't STAND evidence.


Here is another one notice the lies that are being said, what the poster assumes we are thinking. Also notice the anger issues this one displaces on his post.



What I know is simple and straightforward. YOU "Truthers" have never refuted ANY of the evidence. NEVER. And you can't. Instead, you make fanciful claims you cannot demonstrate and you cannot stand ANYONE who questions your claims.


Talk about false logic and obvious generalizations, here is a prime example.



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