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Originally posted by DeltaChaos
It's Bush's prerogative whether he stays or goes, and since his mission for Rumsfeld is much, much more than just defense of the nation, I think he's going to keep him. If (when) Bush is re-elected, I think Rumsfeld may step down.
Originally posted by HowardRoark
I think that if Bush dumps Rumsfeld, it would actually improve his chances of reelection. I think that people would look at that as a positive sign of leadership abilities. On the other hand, if Bush persists in his support of Rumsfeld amid the growing scandal, and if Rumsfeld refuses to step down on his own, that would send a clear signal that Bush is not in control.
Personally, I think that Bush is extremely reluctant to dump him because he relies on him so much, too much almost.
If this is the case, Bleys, that commander seriously needs to be let go. If we eventually come to find that the soldiers were taking orders from civilians, then definitely Rumsfeld needs to go. That is a violation military policy, and if Rumsfeld was unaware of it, then he was negligent. Grossly negligent.
Originally posted by Bleys
Someone in another thread pointed out that the CO was whining that they had no control over intelligence/civilians...
Originally posted by mrmulder
Can anyone confirm this? My dad says the CIA was giving the soldiers orders to abuse the Iraqi Prisoners.
My sentiments exactly on all of what you said in this post mb.
Originally posted by mbkennel
By implicitly or explicitly sanctioning this kind of treatment of prisoners, the command has directly endangered the national mission and lives of its soldiers.
Originally posted by mbkennel
It is central military mismanagement. The chain of the command goes up to the top. Rumsfeld is not the top, he is number TWO.
GWB is number one.
Originally posted by TheEXone
Thats true, but from what we have learned recently Bush himself was kept in the dark about much of what was going on in Iraq.
Originally posted by Pisky
Rumsfeld Should Go! Says Army Times Newspaper
And not just him. The whole administration should go - preferably set afloat in a leaky boat in the middle of the Pacific.
Originally posted by TheEXone
I tried to look for it on the army times web page but I could not find a link to the editorial.
Common sense, how didi your dad get that information? From what I know a soldier can not take orders from anyone who is not in the chain of command. The chain of command does not include CIA officials. Perhaps soldiers can be directed to assist CIA officers in operations. but it still has to be done trhough the proper channels. In any case soldiers at all levels have a duty to refuse Illegal orders by superior officers.