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We need a total collapse

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posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 02:57 AM
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Actually I think before that happens even the most liberal Demorcrat will say WTF! Our for fathers were actually very smart in how they setup our nation.




posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 03:01 AM
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one could only hope and pray for that however I think this man will be the end of America imo but than again I thought bush would be to shows what I know, perhaps I should put some faith in the system. But I am not clinging to it if it does go down.



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 03:26 AM
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Originally posted by SPC_D
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one could only hope and pray for that however I think this man will be the end of America imo but than again I thought bush would be to shows what I know, perhaps I should put some faith in the system. But I am not clinging to it if it does go down.


Hey nothing says don't prepare for the worst. I stock 1 year supply of food/water/supplies/meds and I have land to grow food, plus 10,000+ rounds of amno and a number of guns for that amno, and most important a contingency plan.



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 03:29 AM
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indeed I do have a plan a,b and c and if they all fail i supose I will adapt and over come or die trying. I got some land and a few things in place should I not beable to make it in time.



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 03:33 AM
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Do you have nothing better to do than to beat a dead horse? How long have you been retired for? and what branch of the military were you in? cause I know it wasnt ARMY!



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 03:41 AM
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soooo back to tool....lol i also tend to like how he explains his interpretation of angels wondering how bad man has fallen and misuse of freedom of choice.



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 08:08 AM
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The main problem with the collapse of the existing govt/PTb is that quite often it is replaced by something worse.

Collapse of Roman Empire - led to the dark ages
Czars in Russia - led to USSR - then to genocide when USSR crumbled.
Mao's little red book.
Hilter.
Iran and we replaced the old regime in Iraq with Saddam!!!!!
Native Americans and Australians overturned and slaughtered by Europeans who came to 'civilise' them with our good capitalist ways.
Rhodesia under UK rule ate well but now Zimbabwe - well nuff said and I'm sure that applies to a few other African countries too (I realise there were still problems but NOT as bad as now imho.)

The list is very long and I'm sure there must be some positives in there somewhere if anybody can think of one.



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 10:06 AM
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We are an amazing species. We have not even come close to our potential. Hoping for the world to burn and wanting life to regress 100s of years is not the solution.

Yeah we are going through some tough times, but they are only tough to us. I''m sure most of our grandparents would laugh at us. I truly believe if that we stop moving forward and stop evolving we are doomed.



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 10:41 AM
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In a sense, it will happen soon enough. But, if you decide to go beyond the reset aspect and actually seek vengeance, you will recreate the same self-consuming matrix all over again. Try, as hard or weird as it might seem, to give up the vengeance mentality (I will completely own up to wishing certain things to happen to certain people, just so they could see my perspective). I guess I am just saying don't justify the elite in their selfish fears. You then justify their actions. And even if bodies are gone, a like-minded mentality will fill the void. You cannot eliminate the people that seem to create all of the problems, you have to eliminate the mentality that fills these people, or at least combine it with a much greater perspective that will shine a light on its destructive aspects.



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 10:45 AM
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Id have to say i agree with you in a way i dont wanna see people suffer but this whole system the way the world operates needs to burn it dosent work it does not answer the important questions like what are we here for that swhat the world needs to focus on why are we here what reason theres no need for war when we got everything we need real rap why the hell do we have to work to live somebody answer this its stupid we were not born to just work to live everything is free if you really want to think about it its the ego that gives it a price i dont wanna be better than anyone were all equal i just want to be free free of everything free to think with out consequence free to understand the decisions we make in a good way were not perfect but we can learn to be if we all work together but i anit no hippi so f uc* it am ride wit the bus till everybody jump off ya digg!



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 10:54 AM
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What's taking this collapse so dang long to happen anyhow? Gawd, I'm not getting any younger here, and all this damn ammo has an expiration date on it. Lets get this crash and burn party going, man. I got a new scope for my elephant/humon rifle and want to try it out live and in action before it turns to rust. I want to see the evil empires burned to the ground. I want to see all the overlords strung up on the end of a rope. I want to see the humon infestation on Earth get what they all deserve! Come on, lets get this party rolling! Crash and burn! Crash and burn! Crash and burn!



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 12:18 PM
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If the NWO is ever to exist, it would rise from the ashes of this total collapse that you wish for. The only one to come out on top in such a situation would be the elites with their personal bodyguards and underground bunkers. I would rather keep our infrastructure and have an intellectual revolution worldwide, where we value freedom and charity above all. But I'm a dreamer, and I don't realistically think I will see an honorable POTUS or the dismantling of the Federal Reserve and income tax within my lifetime. All trends point toward more government control and civil unrest at this point.



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 12:33 PM
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Originally posted by SPC_D
We seam to be mesmerized by Obama and his cult of personality, we need the elite to suffer as we do.


Um, they'd be all in Dubai by then sipping expensive champagne so good luck with that.

BTW, I am very smart so I hope to be able to join the elite in the near future.



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 01:16 PM
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Easy to say when you live in luxury compared to most of the world.I think if a total collapse did happen you would be eating those words in an instant.I would obviously like to see a shift in the world,but a gradual one.Instead of burning the house down and building a new one on top of it.Renovate each room every year.I think we in the industrialized nations would have it rough but would survive in a total collapse when push comes to shove,its the 3rd world countries i would be worried about.Our system right now rapes and pillages those countries and has them in a grip of perpetual debt.But they do get fed scraps from time to time and its those that keep a large chunk alive.If the world collapsed the scenario we see would be even worse which is unimaginable to me personally.These people are not concerned with the elites,banking cartels,bilderbergs,NWO etc etc they are trying not to starve.Like i said,if we want change in the world we have to think about the world and overcome the system from within it.



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 01:25 PM
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S&F for you friend!
I am with the OP 100%.....and not just because he referenced one of my all time favorite Tool songs....lol!

The whole system is so corrupt and so poorly designed that it's really beyond being fixed. The only way things are going to get better is to tear it all down and start from scratch.

Everything has to change. There will be no progress until SHTF and we get to start over. Should any of us make it through, of course. This may sound harsh but most of the population really doesn't deserve to make it and that's pretty sad / frightening. If we're going to have a true cleanse of this world, a great many of the pre-programmed humans are going to have to go.



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 01:25 PM
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Well what the OP is wishing for is basically what the NWO plans; total chaos, lots of people killed off to reduce the surface population, then set up a society under Socialism. That way OP, you won't be jealous of what anyone else has because only the top G-Men will have anything they want. The rest of us will be told where to live, given an allotment of how much food we are allowed to buy, whether we need a car and what kind of car will be decided by someone else.

You are thinking of a bygone era that will never be again. I can assure you that your situation now is better than it would be in or after a total collapse. Maybe you need to talk to someone.



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 01:37 PM
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Originally posted by drock905
Yeah we are going through some tough times, but they are only tough to us. I''m sure most of our grandparents would laugh at us. I truly believe if that we stop moving forward and stop evolving we are doomed.


But the big question is are we really going through tough times or are we just spoiled now and wouldn't understand tuff times if it bit us in the ass. With that said, yes, some are going through tough times, but the vast majority and I mean vast is not.

Let’s go back 70 years where people could actually starve to death in America, or children worked 16 hours a day in a factory for pennies, or you might live to a ripe old age of 50 if you were lucky. Ever wonder why a 40 year old in the late 1800s looked like they were 60 or older? Has anyone worked sun up to sun down just to raise, prepare, and cook food for just that day in the last 50 plus years?

I can go on and on..



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 02:04 PM
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Originally posted by Xtrozero

Originally posted by SPC_D
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Listen I know I only get 479 every 2weeks so that is that. Paid well? I really wish it were so I am done with this now I have shown you my les and my w2 from last year it proves I only get 479 a pay check so im right your wrong and that is that go be retired somewhere else.


Not to beat a dead horse..but where does the extra money go? You didn't show the deductions of your LeS and that Les is not a standard month for you have a lot of accounting adds and minuses, plus a W2 only show TAXable income. For me that was about 55k even though I actually made 95k as an E9.

Remember I been looking at those things for 28 years...

Do you have child support since it did show dependants and now you say you live in the barracks?

But in any case the military pays well compared to the civilian side, and it should.


[edit on 30-7-2009 by Xtrozero]


Oh for God's sake. Why does it matter whether he/she/they/it makes 20K a year or 500K? I think he/she/they/it are going to have a better grip on their own finances than you're interpretation of them. The point that was initially being made is being lost in your haggling over someone else's military retirement pensions.



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 02:12 PM
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A little history lesson for everyone.

"When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. "

It's up to the people. It's been done before, i think it's time to do it again.



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 02:16 PM
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Originally posted by Bombeni
Well what the OP is wishing for is basically what the NWO plans; total chaos, lots of people killed off to reduce the surface population, then set up a society under Socialism. That way OP, you won't be jealous of what anyone else has because only the top G-Men will have anything they want. The rest of us will be told where to live, given an allotment of how much food we are allowed to buy, whether we need a car and what kind of car will be decided by someone else.

You are thinking of a bygone era that will never be again. I can assure you that your situation now is better than it would be in or after a total collapse. Maybe you need to talk to someone.


No...I think the OP is thinking a little beyond that idea. You see, you're still equating a form of a governmental system with the survival of our species. He's talking about a complete tear down of markets, government, religion, politics and overall infrastructure. (where money doesn't even save the top G-men.) There would be no "socialism," let alone the idea of a NWO because the world would sink beyond those concepts and have to reform. Either you would learn to get along with your fellow man and work to create something more symbiotic, or you would be left in that proverbial "sink or swim" paradox and would have to make it on your own. "The survival of the fittest."

So, I think its your choice of interpretation, but, the OP's theory would not support the idea of the NWO. Its quite counter to the ultimate aims of a global governmental conspiracy.

[edit on 30-7-2009 by EvolvedMinistry]

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