The Rebellion

reply to post by Xtinguish


The end does justify the means.

Torture? One man's torture is another man's coercion. If I felt that a man had any information that would likely prevent the death of one of my countrymen, or one of my brother soldiers - then I assure you - I would get just as down, dirty, and bloody ruthless as it required.

I'm not speaking of some dumbass off the street - but one caught with weapon and possibly documents.

I assure you, I could get him to talk, and not only talk, but tell me the truth, all the truth, and nothing but the truth. I can even get them to lead me to their buddies.

Of course I do a bit of psychological dislocation and a fair measure discomfort, and it doesn't hurt if you threaten their personal abominations, but if you want the wheels to turn, you gotta use some grease.

To win, one must be ruthless. One must be most ruthless with himself first.

This possible rebellion?

Twill be a most ruthless effort by those who feel wronged. The worst thing in the world - are men who've been wronged and keep on coming.

They cannot and will not be stopped.

reply to post by xmotex


Congratulations.

You managed to cover a large majority of leftist talking points in a single post.

You may want to refrain from referring to others as sheeple.

reply to post by dooper


In order to save and protect our Constitution we must forget it, go around it, and, or violate it?

Makes sense to me.

Why do we need such a document and laws that restricts our ability to defend ourselves? What the hell is it your defending then? Sure as hell isn't the Constitution which a soldier swears an OATH too.

No. Your then defending the corporate interest which in the end are behind the two wars we have now. If these men will fight for corporate interest in foreign land, violate the Constitution, then why the hell not on American soil?

You can preach the self-righteous/self-sacrifice BS all you want. Your not defending anything other then your own desire TO fight with all that BS you said above.

Your post above is exactly what the NWO needs. They love men and women willing to bend this, scratch that, Constitution what? You can be a wealthy man, what are you waiting for?

reply to post by TheAftermath


Yeah, too bad I'm not actually much of a leftist.

My anti gun control stance, among other things, means I don't get to play in any of the left-wing reindeer games.

I'm just not a talk-radio-controlled robot

reply to post by xmotex


Same here. The left/right BS is over and done with for me. As much as I wanted to see the left do right by the people, this is not at all what we got. As I said, it's pass-the-baton fascism.

That and I love my rifles. It's the one thing that kept me skeptical the whole time. I know how much the left wants no one to protect themselves.



[edit on 2-8-2009 by projectvxn]

reply to post by Xtinguish

No, it isn't me or the everyday citizens who've forgotten the Constitution, circumvented it, gone around it, or violated it.

Like the Great Sphinx, it's been eroded and eroded by those who had enough power of the moment to facilitate the erosion.

Article One, Legislative Power - has been violated by the Commerce Clause and the Necessary and Proper Clause - both of which are un-Constitutional.

Our Second Amendment has been circumvented and violated. Read the Amendment honestly and then tell me how in hell it is that Congress was able to pass the National Firearms Act of 1934, the Gun Control Act of 1968, and the Brady Bill, and not have these struck down by the Supreme Court.

Read the Fourth Amendment, and then read the Patriot Act and tel me how in Hades this is even possible?

The Tenth Amendment was violated big time by Lincoln, and has been eroded further ever since. How can they possibly justify taxing the people directly, and then threaten to withhold that same money from States who don't go along with their un-Constitutional crap? In any law book, that's clearly defined as EXTORTION.

The Sixteenth Amendment overruled the Supreme Court determination that this income tax is un-Constitutional, but since the bastards "defined" a direct tax. This is an increasing abomination as there was never to be a graduated income tax. A graduated tax is highly discriminatory and places an unfair burden on a small percentage of our population. And we see the results - an entire generation of parasites!

The Seventeenth Amendment toss out the FOUNDING CONCEPT of the Republic, and this bastardization we enjoy now is a popularity contest, based entirely on who can promise the most free stuff to the unwilling, unable, and incapable parasite class that grows each and every year. The original provision as foreseen by our Founding Fathers precluded this abomination.

So if things go sideways and a state of anarchy or rebellion gets kicked off by someone else who makes a grave miscalculation, we're likely to see this new class of social and economic parasite go on the rampage because they suddenly can't get their welfare/food stamps/housing assistance/free medical care/utility assistance because everything is shut down, then I assure you that they, like me, won't be acting on any self-righteousness/self-sacrifice motivations.

Initially, it will likely be me and mine against these two-legged predators, and then there will be the idealists - who will have nothing they can bring to the table worth having.

And after several months - with tens of millions dead from starvation, malnutrition, lack of medical attention and maintenance drugs, disease from lack of proper sanitation, and even packs of wild animals - only after a great Darwinian event wil enable those who prepared and had the mind-set to survive - taking necessary measures - will they be able to begin to return this nation to the original Constitutional government, allowing for no more encroachments.

Now if you can't see the steady erosion of our Constitution by professional politicians and idealists who have ruined a good thing, then your premise that I'M the one bending the Constitution is terribly mistaken.

reply to post by dooper


Your not even addressing my point. I said YOUR willing to bend and violate to save the very thing your bending and violating.

I addressed you not the dirt bags in Washington.

Secondly if you feel this strong about it...what are you waiting for? What are you doing besides blowing talk out your ass?

reply to post by xmotex


No drama. Just facts. Obama is a communist, a Marxist-Leninist. Look at his cabinet, look at the bills he has enacted, and the legislation he is trying to enact. Pure socialism.

Look, I know you intellectuals think collectivism will unify the planet. But your Star Trek fantasies are off base.

Lets use Star Trek as an example. No money right? But everyone is not equal bettering oneself and individual achievement are prized! This is no so in a collectivist, government owned society.

Obama is drawing up this grand scheme to get the masses on the government tit and keep them there. If that's what you want, well, I am sorry you've not only lost sight of the American Dream but the human spirit as well!

according the the 3% website there is going to be a huge rally in Washington DC sept 12-13 to show solidarity against TPTB

The Tea Parties are organizing an event for these dates. Sort of a Million Man March of Conservatives and Patriots!

In case any one missed it, there is really no Democrat/Republican among the Tea Party, Patriots, or Conservatives at this point. We have been let down equally by both parties. We have been mislead equally by all the News Channels and MSM. FOX is just as bad as MSNBC is just as bad as WSJ is just as bad as USA Today!

We are left with Patriotic Conservatives and everyone else. We are left with those Awake, and those hypnotized by television. We are left with those who will prepare and teach their children and friends, and those who will come on these boards and point fingers, or regurgitate MSM babble.

Get Ready Already!!

reply to post by traderjack


You're arguing with someone else - an imaginary leftist professor

Obama is a corporate capitalist, just like every other politician in the US.

He's about as "far left" as I am a reptilian from Zeta Reticulae

Ask any actual socialist, they will tell you that Obama is no socialist.

I know you guys think anyone not in your far-right talk radio club is a frothing commie, but it's pure BS, sorry...

reply to post by traderjack


What am I waiting for? You keep talking in circles.

Just following my rules of engagement. Just as I always have. My defense is an offensive defense. My offense is always a defensive offense.

Every week I grow more increasingly enabled, so it's not as though I want this to go down anytime soon. Proper logistics is a bitch, if you're in for the long haul.

Don't worry about what I'm doing or going to do. You better be figuring out what you're going to do.

Time comes, a lot of us aren't going to be giving any handouts. Of course, you're welcome to try to take what you want, though.

reply to post by dooper


I'm not talking in circles your talking in circles. Let me rehash this whole conversation.

You gave me a statistic on how much of the American population fought in the American revolution. I believe which was 3%? Well I think it was more like 12%, but that's not the point.

I wasn't sure as to what that was suppose to mean. Were you saying special ops were going to lead a revolution? Were you saying the American people only need a small number of people? My post after yours was to remind you that special ops works not through direct combat, but by many other means which I detailed in the previous post.

You then attempted an other approach telling me other revolutions like Che (Why I mentioned Cuba) and Mussolini. Yep, that's the kind of outcomes I'd like after a 2nd American Revolution. I retorted saying this is comparing apples and oranges. What was your purpose of doing so?

You then began to tell me how this would all go done. A giant bloodbath? Should we all slit our wrist now? This morphed into the elites making some fatal mistake. Ok...so? JFK was a giant mistake of theirs. They are good at dealing with giant mistakes.

Then we got into the PMC's who you claimed are a patriotic group. I asked on how you could say that and not explain New Orleans and guys like Jackie Idema. YES they become corporate in a PMC. They are not in the American military and no longer hold an oath to the Constitution rather their companies charter.

That's when the B.S. started. We've went from Constitutional history lessons to your own private experiences. It's a big fat circle where you revert to instructive speeches while not really replying to anything I've said.

I'm still not sure how America is suppose to come out on top of this blood bath you say is coming. It is almost like your welcoming it. My whole time spent in this thread is speaking against that mentality.

BUT again, ill argue a point which still has yet to be addressed along with some others.

This build up to this is still CONTROLLED by the elites. If you can't see it then your blind to the PSYOP right before you. Glenn Beck, Alex Jones, Tea Parties, these anarchist leftist who seem t be infiltrating our shores, Fox News, CNN, Talk Radio, MSNNBC, left right. Whatever fight may be coming isn't going to be against the elite.

This country is being pushed into civil war BY the elites. Just like all recent wars.


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reply to post by Xtinguish


You are making the assumption that those of us with the know how aren't going to target and actually get to those 'Elites" you speak of. If you think for one minute a large portion of those that are willing haven't planned correctly as to just who our targets are then you are sadly mistaken. We know full well who is pulling the strings. We know how to find them. We know exactly how to handle the situation. Many of us have done it before. We haven't forgotten how!

Zindo

Originally posted by ZindoDoone
reply to post by Xtinguish

 

You are making the assumption that those of us with the know how aren't going to target and actually get to those 'Elites" you speak of. If you think for one minute a large portion of those that are willing haven't planned correctly as to just who our targets are then you are sadly mistaken. We know full well who is pulling the strings. We know how to find them. We know exactly how to handle the situation. Many of us have done it before. We haven't forgotten how!

Zindo

Oh really? Then tell me who are you targeting? Politicians? Yeah that'll get you reeeal far. You know how to exactly handle the situation? Well let me tell you Mr. Igotaplan. You got crapola.

Let's do a hypothetical.

Let's say something does go down. Every hear of a False Flag Op? Fort Detrick alone has enough bio weapons to wipe out half the country. We've been hearing a lot now that the next terrorist attack will be from an everyday looking American. Could be you, your neighbor, anyone. AND boy do we have a lot of laws against terrorist these days. We have brought combat brigades home. We're shifting reports that right wingers are nutcases and you guys are proving them correct. This is still a left/right country.

This is all besides the fact that they control the information most Americans get in the mass media. They made Obama look like a god to a majority of sheeple Americans. They can make you look like...a terrorist?

So, again who do you actually think you'll be fighting? Pelosi in a uniform? Corporate execs (who have plenty of cash after raping our treasury to buy plenty of PMC's) carrying M4's wearing LBV's? Come on guys. You can't be this dumb to fall for it.

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[edit on 3-8-2009 by Xtinguish]

reply to post by Xtinguish


I'd say it was much closer to 3%. Certainly no more than 3% at one time.

I'm not starting anything. I'm of the opinion that things are going to reach a point of boilover. An event. An event even these so-called "elite" never intended.

Because when this thing starts - with the mood of the country - this will get completely out of hand quickly.

These "elites" may plan, and they may set things up, including false flags, but I'm saying they won't control it like they anticipate. They may have a plan, but it won't matter.

Whatever their plan, it's already going wrong.

They'll likely at some point try to compensate, and therein will be a likely miscalculation.

I have no idea of the circles you encompass, but the every day folks I speak with are just about fed up with the current trends in our increasingly intrusive government, and I'm including elderly folks, young folks, hard working men and women, and many professionals.

Just as sure as dookey stinks, we're nearing a point of no return.

As a nation.

reply to post by dooper


You have a way with words dooper.

Can I ask whom you think the elites are? I mean do you find it's the politicians that are the problem? Is it the bankers? Or...or is it foreign interest that could seriously benefit from an bloody American civil war. The same way they did in WW1 and WW2, and so on, and so forth.

[edit on 3-8-2009 by Xtinguish]

Originally posted by ZindoDoone
I have never believed for one minute that any that train for these elite services are anything but patriots and hard men and women. Their commitment is steadfast and their honor is true!

Too true.

But maybe that's why Obama has proposed a civilian national defense force, stronger and better funded than the military. Perhaps it's precisely because he knows that he can't rely on Army Rangers and Marine Recon to support his moves. But a bunch of Acorn members, put into authority , can and will.

Remember the history of the SS and KGB. They were the politically faithful. Furthermore, Stalin and Hitler didn't really trust the traditional military establishment. Many of their staunchest opponents were the 'old guard' army types. Remember the great purges and sackings of those aforementioned regimes? The same would hold today. Most American soldiers, sailors and airmen probably would stand against them. But they will be supplanted. A new order will arise. A new SS, a new KGB.

reply to post by Xtinguish

For heaven's sake! I'm not the one who lays blame on these nebulous "elites."

There will be no "elites" once this thing gets sideways. But if you want to know how to identify them, they'll be the pretentious SOB's that will try to hide behind gates. And they won't last the first 30 days.

Do you seriously think they are the only ones who have identified targets? Do you really believe that they alone have plans? Do you think they're the only ones with their fingers on a trigger? Do you really believe that they have all that much power?

Tell me you aren't that naive.

Things go sideways, there will be no Secret Service protection. No Capitol guards. There won't be police. The military too, will be looking to stay with, and protect their own.

Those so-called elite? Without guards protecting them in their gated communities, without guards and security isolating them fom the populace, without the military standing in front of them, these guys are completely useless!

These so-called elite will drop faster than burdschitt in a downdraft.

I'm not worried about the elite as Darwin already has these guys accounted for.

It's the street gangs and desperate citizens who didn't prepare and are starving and desperate.

Those I fear.

Hell, the elite? In those nice big houses?

The first places those gangs will head for.

reply to post by dooper


Actually yes I do.

Actually yes I believe their is a plan for a NWO.

Actually I believe this entire economic disaster is completely engineered by those with real power.

Actually I believe most wars are a construct by them as a conduit for a greater goal.

No matter what you believe you've told me multiple times the elites will miscalculate. You've told me they will make a mistake. You've told me they will fail. Now your telling me they will be eradicated due to their own failures.

I'm only asking who are THEY you keep mentioning. They have to be someone that your so sure will fail. But...yet again a reply post dancing around any real answer, or even anything with any real substance to what I've asked you.

By answering this you'll be revealing a very big aspect of how you think these domino's will fall. You see when I say elite's I'm not talking about the strapper in the White House. I'm not talking about the stogies in the Senate. I want to know WHO your talking about.

Your a member of ATS so I'm sure you have some knowledge of what I am talking about.

You see I am asking because if you believe these elites are someone who does fold in such a time then we are fundamentally in disagreement, as war is the elites number one tool in their agenda.

Can you honestly say you've never heard of a Military Industrial Complex, which is of course only one aspect of it.

ONCE AGAIN I'm telling you this is a designed collapse that you keep describing. These people your saying whom will head for false defenses, who are miscalculating ARE NOT elites. They are not the ones who will be hiding, because they are already hidden.

They are pushing for the scenario you describe. HENCE, one again I repeat my original premise: Revolution is a dangerous thing to discuss.

Now, you must have some idea of what an elite is as you are so sure they will fail.

Concentrate.

Answer the question.

It's a simple one that doesn't require much effort.

Who are you telling me the elites are?

[EDIT] Also your 3% is only The Continental Army, which never fielded more then 20,000. Your forgetting the thousands of militia men where all men ages sixteen to sixty, give or take, in all of the colonies were expected to serve in. Then you had the newborn U.S. Navy and many privateers or pirates. You get around 12%.

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reply to post by resist2012


Nice. You just refuted all the talking points and childish accusations of the false left side of the sham left right political theatre.

It's not about bush, obama, republiCONS, or demoCRAPS. It's about the road to a police state, and the great american awakening happening.