The Rebellion

reply to post by FX44rice


Yes. Let's all tremble at the concept of following down the same dark, oppressive path of subjugation that we see in the dictatorial hell of... Sweden.

We'll all be thrown into the gjetost mines!

reply to post by TheWalkingFox


When will people study a dictionary more? Socialism isn't happening in the US. No self-respecting socialist would approve of what is happening in this country, as socialists are just as against Fascists as freedom loving Americans, and that is exactly what we're getting. Another fascist passing the baton to another fascist. If Swedish socialism were happening in this country, I wouldn't be bitching too much(So long as I can keep my second amendment without government interference) I'm not a socialist, never have been. But if I had ONLY a choice between Federal Fascists and Swedish socialism....Well, the choice is clear.

[edit on 30-7-2009 by projectvxn]

reply to post by projectvxn


I understand socialism quite well, being a socialist myself. This is why I mock the notion that we're "becoming socialist"

The takeover of GM was a move to preserve a few million jobs while waiting for another boss to take over the operation. The move towards public medical care is about as halfassed as you can get, and is a response to the capitalist practices of insurance ompanies (they finally discovered the most profitable business - charging customers money for a service that won't be provided). Neither is socialist, it's just common sense.

As for Fascism... Well. There's a saying - The people get the kind of government they deserve. Americans have been completely apathetic at best, and actively endorsing fascism at worst. Learn some history and political science, and you'll see all the key factors right at the start.

However, I don't believe it's as bad as you're painting it out to be. On the internet, all politics is extremist, and on a site like ATS that basically invites kooks over for tea and cookies, it's even moreso.

reply to post by TheWalkingFox


Great response(I hope you didn't think I was being snide, it wasn't really directed at you, more of a generalization).

I agree with the extremism on the internet as far a politics is concerned. but if you wanna go by what the dictionary says, what we're doing is fascism, and it SHOULD scare people. Now, I'm not saying go live in fear, but be vigilant enough to say NO! when the time is right. Fascism has lead to a lot of atrocities over the last century, we should be aware of it, and prepared to act to stop it. That time is fast approaching.

Originally posted by whaaa
Who are the armed rebels going to rebel against? Who are they going to shoot to regain our freedoms and protect us from tyranny?

March on Washington DC
Lynch congress on the capital steps?
Go home and vote for new Legislature.

The people aren't afraid of each other yet.
Guns should only be carried for self defense.

Get the government under control by any means necessary.

A lot of Americans have sworn an oath to defend the constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic. That should be our goal. Nothing more. Nothing less.

[edit on 30-7-2009 by TreadUpon]

reply to post by projectvxn


Nationalism, authoritarianism, social darwinism, social interventionism, corporatism...

These things are the core ideas behind "fascism" - and they've been a part of American culture since far, far before even the term "Fascism" was ever used... Or even "socialism," for that matter.

So it depends on how you mean "Fascist". A huge problem with people making these sort of claims is that they're completely hung up on Nazi Germany, or George Orwell's "1984" - they're certain that it will always, ALWAYS be one of those two.

By doing so, they blind themselves to the millions of other possibilities.

Arguably we've been living under Fascism ever since 1815.

reply to post by TheWalkingFox


I believe the American flavor of Fascism is conformed to the dictionary meaning, though the methodology used may be different. And while I believe in free market capitalism, what have had since the creation of the military industrial complex is anything but.

Could use your input here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by xmotex


xymotex, I'm betting that you are under 25 years old. If not you've been living under a rock your whole life. A police state has not come on us "all of the sudden", it has been creeping along slowly for the last 40 or 50 years. I'm almost 50 and I remember a country where if the police stopped you you werent afraid they would taser you or jail you for no reason. I can remember when we used to be able to protest in D.C. without haveing to face down jack-booted thugs in full riot gear. I remember a country where you actuall FELT free. where there wasnt this constant paranoia about state control of everything. I remember a country where senators actually READ bills and DEBATED them before signing.
I'd love to be optimistic about america but every piece of logic points towards virtual slavery and an ugly future where everything you do is under state scrutiny. We are headed towards some kind of confrontation with TPTB make no mistake about it. They will rue the day they thought they could run rampant over the people of this great nation. They are ****ing with a sleeping giant and when it awakes they will be looking at the insides of their intestines wondering why their plans didn't work. May God have mercy on them because the people will not.

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by Xtinguish

 

If and when we rid ourselves of this kind of corruption will there be a free REPUBLICwith free elections.


[edit on 30-7-2009 by projectvxn]

Thanks for saying what I was thinking.

to xtinguish:

it doesn't matter if 99% voted someone in, the tenets of the REPUBLIC have been ignored long enough by the PTB. The real men that exploit us behind the scenes have pushed us far enough away from our native liberty that the people will push back.

Originally posted by whaaa

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by whaaa

 

Anyone enforcing the "Agenda". The Jackboots, their media mouthpieces, and of course, any paramilitaries that wanna turn their guns on the people.

Jackboots............who are they? Cops?

All I see out there are ordinary citizens that might have a different idea than yours. You want to kill them?

[edit on 30-7-2009 by whaaa]

You sound like a cop trying to drag a probable cause statement...

[edit on 31-7-2009 by hotrodturbo7]

xymotex, I'm betting that you are under 25 years old.

Nice try, but I'm 40.

And if I told you all the things I've seen and done in my life, you wouldn't believe me

The problem we have is not politicians or government.

The problem is the people who vote for them.

We live in an increasingly deluded society, where idiots drunk on ideology and self-righteous hypocritical rage are getting exactly the government they deserve.

reply to post by xmotex


nicely put

reply to post by Xtinguish

Since you like percentages, let me share a couple with you.

The fighting is ever done by the two to five percentage group.

Our Revolution? 3% of our population took up arms and defeated the state of the art military of the day.

Three percent.

I noted that our Special Ops personnel have historically enjoyed a 100:1 to 150:1 kill ratio.

And that's against OTHER professional fighters.

reply to post by dooper


So what are you saying?

I wasn't trying to build an argument to compare strengths of the U.S. military and the American people. Everyone keeps talking about numbers, and frankly I think numbers don't mean crap in today's style of forth generation warfare.

My original point was only to say armed revolution should be undesirable, and so discussed that way.

BUT, for the sake of your post and what I think your saying, then yes a very small number of people, especially on the elite's side can influence and entire war. It's called unconventional warfare.

Operations conducted by, with, or through irregular forces in support of a resistance movement, an insurgency, or conventional military operations. FM 3-05.201, (S/NF) Special Forces Unconventional Warfare (U) 28 September 2007

We have become masters at it. Wars are conducted by, with, or through surrogates; and such surrogates must be irregular forces. We support an insurgency, such as the Contras in 1980s Nicaragua, and resistance movements to defeat an occupying power, such as the Mujahideen in 1980s Afghanistan.

This is the new way of fighting and controlling populations. The tools of the battlefield are no longer numbers and weapons. They are insurgency, counter insurgency, unconventional warfare, terrorism, counter terrorism, strategic communications, PSYOPS, civil-military operations, information operations, intelligence and counter intelligence, transnational criminal activities (narco-trafficking, illicit arms dealing, and illegal financial transactions), and stability, security, transition, and reconstruction operations.

You don't think these techniques, like PSYOPS, aren't used here today on American soil?

What I am trying to say is a physical confrontation won't be like anything your imagining. Like I said before: Anyone ranting about an armed revolution does not have a clue what they are talking about.

Uncle Sam is better trained, better equipped, more experienced, and has much more money. I promise you a revolt, even if physically successful from the start, will not come down to a rifle or bullet in the end.

That's my point. One nutcase can bring any chance we have to fight back peacefully impossible.

When people fear the government its called TYRANNY.


When the government fears the people its called LIBERTY....


Whom said that? Wasn't it Thomas Jefferson?


I think I'll trust the man and say We live in Tyranny today and if You don't think so then stop paying Your taxes and see how free You will be after that.

reply to post by xmotex


My apologies then for my earlier statement. I have a tendency to shoot from the hip on occasion and show off my ignorance. I agree the people of America have let down the Republic, myself included. But I doubt many people here will agree that we have free elections. The 2 party system has sold us out to the multinationals and marginalized the very people from who the powers of government were derived. This thing will just have to run its course and I cannot help but feel we will soon learn firsthand what it's like to live in a 3rd world country. Its all very, very, sad.

Originally posted by xmotex
Where is the tyranny all of a sudden?

The medium level tyranny is when you hear folks complaining about conditions in the shops, workplace etc. The high level tyranny is when everyone is afraid to speak up for the fear that the tyrants put them in jail. Then there is that YouTube tyranny: You don't feel any wrong doing until some blogger "opens your mind."

reply to post by Asktheanimals


It's OK, no offense taken, emotions are running high.

We are all worried about the future of this country right now.

reply to post by Xtinguish


What I'm saying is that you don't have to quote any Special Forces unconventional warfare definitions - I was one who helped the military provide a definition.

For you to suggest that a physical confrontation won't be anything like I'm imagining, I call BS.

I can imagine a lot.

Share with us how it is that we cannot even imagine what an armed conflict will be like. And please, speak from experience.

You suggest that we'd have no chance as Uncle Sam is better trained, better equipped, and more experienced? I recollect that the British Army was better equipped, better trained, and lots more experienced with lots more money.

I don't see that. Not from where I sit.

And what exactly enables you to conclude that the entire military will stand on one side? You think these men and women in the military don't have a dog in this fight? Like family? Friends?

Are you thinking of all those fine young men who are in Special Ops? Ever ask yourself what happened to all those fine men who WERE in Special Ops, but are no longer active duty? Ever stop to think just how MANY are inactive, compared to the number that are ACTIVE?

You suggest that a revolt won't come down to a bullet in the end. Ever hear of Che Guevera? How about Nicolae Ceausescu? How about Salvadore Allende? No? How about Mussolini?

Thus, your supposition is incorrect. Much like the "all cats are black." One, single, gray cat, and "not all cats are black."

You're right about one thing though. One nutcase can make any chance of fighting peacefully impossible.

And I give you - Obama. Pelosi. Reid. Franks. Dodd.

Much akin to Hitler, Obama's made the greatest mistake all BS'ers make.

They actually start to believe their own BS.

An often fatal error.

Well if you are thinking about a Rebellion, you may want to read this before you start.


Read the whole thing and then pass it along.


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