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Originally posted by Strider
Most of those currently available via the web are owned by a man named GARY NEFF.
NASA claims that imagery they produce is in the public domain. Obviously, there is something different about images transmitted from the lunar surface.
If you go to a professional photographer to have an image made, even a portrait of yourself, you’ll find that you don’t get the negative, and the photographer retains ownership of the photographs he took. Of course, with Apollo 11, it was supposedly the astronauts themselves who actually “took” the videos, still photos, and 16mm movies depicting their lunar adventure.
Deepening the mystery, NASA’s website includes a short bio of GARY NEFF as a contributor to their historical collection of lunar surface images. Yet the man is too young to have been personally involved with the Apollo program and, worse yet, he’s a commercial pilot with no mention of any involvement in film making, etc. Still, he’s given the credit for producing the current crop of “inhanced” videos that were offered up for the 40th Anniversary.
Originally posted by Strider
And if I understand your suggestion, then Neff (or his family) probably obtained a copy of the original Apollo moonwalk video for virtually nothing, and then NASA has been licensing it back from them for the last thirty or forty years, rather than using NASA’s own copies of the same original material.
I’m specifically talking about educational and public relations films produced by NASA which nonetheless are forced to carry a Neff copyright in the trailing credits.
If that’s the way it worked, then it sounds to me like someone discovered a gold mine.
The originals are not in digital form.
Again, where's the proof that NASA paid him anything to use the converted videos?
Originally posted by Strider
The originals are not in digital form.
This is not exactly right. Although I’ve seen still images (presumably from the Hasselblad cameras) carrying a Neff credit, it is the black and white video images transmitted from the lunar surface that are most commonly credited to Neff.
Although one assumes the originals were analog rather than digital (in today’s terms) they were supposedly captured in Houston on magnetic tape – the same tapes that eventually disappeared some years later.
You began by detailing NASA’s common practices regarding images, so I’ll point out that common practice with copyrights is to pay the owner for the use of his material. That’s the norm.
So I think it’s safe to assume in the rest of the cases that some consideration or payment was involved.
NASA must have world class facilities for working with all sorts of imagery so I’m still stumped as to why they kept using someone else’s video of that first moonwalk.
Now that I think about it, it seems to me that there is no reason at all to assume that the rules and procedures on imagery that NASA follows today are the same rules and procedures that were being used in 1969.
There was immense pressure to get that sub-standard video converted to something the networks could use as quickly as possible. The simplest possibility might be that NASA couldn’t handle the conversion in-house in a timely manner, and rushed the tapes to someone who could get the job done fast. If this was the case, then from what little clues I have, that person would be a James Neff, possibly the father of Gary Neff.
And this is where the mystery deepens, because it looks to me like NASA did not retain ownership of the end product.
This is why I’m hoping to jog someone’s memory here, and find out more about the Neff’s.