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Infantry Division assigned active within USA

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posted on Jul, 29 2009 @ 02:20 PM
The 3rd Infantry Division's 1st Brigade Combat Team has been assigned to be a active unit within the United States.

Its purpose here is supposedly to "help state and local officials respond to a nuclear terrorist attack or other domestic catastrophe" here is the problem, they are a infantry division.

Here is what the infantry MOS duties consist of:

11B: Infantryman
Major Duties: The infantryman supervises, leads, or serves as a member of an infantry activity that employs individual or crew served weapons in support of offensive and defensive combat operations.

11C: Indirect Fire Infantryman
Major Duties: The indirect fire infantryman serves as a supervisor or as a member of a mortar squad, section, or platoon. Employs crew and individual weapons in offensive, defensive and retrograde ground combat tactical operations.

The sole purpose of infantry is combat, how are they going to help ?

[edit on 29-7-2009 by Golden Generic]

[edit on 30-7-2009 by Golden Generic]

posted on Jul, 29 2009 @ 02:53 PM
Well, I do agree with you, just as I agree with our forefathers, that the Military should never be used on American soil. That is why we have the Police and National Guard. They are local people who police the locality in which they live and have a vested interest in, they are under scrutiny by a civilian authority made up of elected representatives of the local populace that must answer to the local populace at large.

The use of a Federal Military on native soil not only threatens the sovereignty of each State, but it is not directly accountable to either a civilian authority or civilian elected authority. As the US Military cannot be tried in a Civilian Court, they are beyond the law and do not need to abide it. It is a dangerous precedent that should not be allowed under any circumstances other than invasion by a foreign power.

For the longest time I believed that good old boys in the US Military wouldn't open fire on their neighbors even if ordered to by a Superior Officer, but that idealistic notion went out the window when I saw atrocities our Troops committed at Guatanimo Bay, Abu Ghirab, etc. in direct violation of our Constitution and every International Treaty we have signed since Versaille. For the fact that the US Military is now actively recruiting Felons convicted of violent crimes, leads me to believe that they would rather have mindless, senseless killers who have no reservations about committing crimes against their neighbor than good old boys who might actually dissent if ordered to fire on their neighbor.

Honestly, I'm beyond concerned to downright fearful that we are allowing Federal Military to operate on native soil. This is not acceptable no matter what justification others may give it.

posted on Jul, 29 2009 @ 02:57 PM
Washington Post | December 1, 2008 | By Spencer S. Hsu and Ann Scott Tyson

The U.S. military expects to have 20,000 uniformed troops inside the United States by 2011 trained to help state and local officials respond to a nuclear terrorist attack or other domestic catastrophe, according to Pentagon officials.

The long-planned shift in the Defense Department's role in homeland security was recently backed with funding and troop commitments after years of prodding by Congress and outside experts, defense analysts said.

There are critics of the change, in the military and among civil liberties groups and libertarians who express concern that the new homeland emphasis threatens to strain the military and possibly undermine the Posse Comitatus Act, a 130-year-old federal law restricting the military's role in domestic law enforcement.

But the Bush administration and some in Congress have pushed for a heightened homeland military role since the middle of this decade, saying the greatest domestic threat is terrorists exploiting the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction.

Before the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, dedicating 20,000 troops to domestic response -- a nearly sevenfold increase in five years -- "would have been extraordinary to the point of unbelievable," Paul McHale, assistant defense secretary for homeland defense, said in remarks last month at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. But the realization that civilian authorities may be overwhelmed in a catastrophe prompted "a fundamental change in military culture," he said.

The Pentagon's plan calls for three rapid-reaction forces to be ready for emergency response by September 2011. The first 4,700-person unit, built around an active-duty combat brigade based at Fort Stewart, Ga., was available as of Oct. 1, said Gen. Victor E. Renuart Jr., commander of the U.S. Northern Command.

If funding continues, two additional teams will join nearly 80 smaller National Guard and reserve units made up of about 6,000 troops in supporting local and state officials nationwide. All would be trained to respond to a domestic chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear, or high-yield explosive attack, or CBRNE event, as the military calls it.

Military preparations for a domestic weapon-of-mass-destruction attack have been underway since at least 1996, when the Marine Corps activated a 350-member chemical and biological incident response force and later based it in Indian Head, Md., a Washington suburb. Such efforts accelerated after the Sept. 11 attacks, and at the time Iraq was invaded in 2003, a Pentagon joint task force drew on 3,000 civil support personnel across the United States.

In 2005, a new Pentagon homeland defense strategy emphasized "preparing for multiple, simultaneous mass casualty incidents." National security threats were not limited to adversaries who seek to grind down U.S. combat forces abroad, McHale said, but also include those who "want to inflict such brutality on our society that we give up the fight," such as by detonating a nuclear bomb in a U.S. city.

In late 2007, Deputy Defense Secretary Gordon England signed a directive approving more than $556 million over five years to set up the three response teams, known as CBRNE Consequence Management Response Forces. Planners assume an incident could lead to thousands of casualties, more than 1 million evacuees and contamination of as many as 3,000 square miles, about the scope of damage Hurricane Katrina caused in 2005.

Last month, McHale said, authorities agreed to begin a $1.8 million pilot project funded by the Federal Emergency Management Agency through which civilian authorities in five states could tap military planners to develop disaster response plans. Hawaii, Massachusetts, South Carolina, Washington and West Virginia will each focus on a particular threat -- pandemic flu, a terrorist attack, hurricane, earthquake and catastrophic chemical release, respectively -- speeding up federal and state emergency planning begun in 2003.

Last Monday, Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates ordered defense officials to review whether the military, Guard and reserves can respond adequately to domestic disasters.

Gates gave commanders 25 days to propose changes and cost estimates. He cited the work of a congressionally chartered commission, which concluded in January that the Guard and reserve forces are not ready and that they lack equipment and training.

Bert B. Tussing, director of homeland defense and security issues at the U.S. Army War College's Center for Strategic Leadership, said the new Pentagon approach "breaks the mold" by assigning an active-duty combat brigade to the Northern Command for the first time. Until now, the military required the command to rely on troops requested from other sources.

"This is a genuine recognition that this [job] isn't something that you want to have a pickup team responsible for," said Tussing, who has assessed the military's homeland security strategies.

The American Civil Liberties Union and the libertarian Cato Institute are troubled by what they consider an expansion of executive authority.

Domestic emergency deployment may be "just the first example of a series of expansions in presidential and military authority," or even an increase in domestic surveillance, said Anna Christensen of the ACLU's National Security Project. And Cato Vice President Gene Healy warned of "a creeping militarization" of homeland security.

"There's a notion that whenever there's an important problem, that the thing to do is to call in the boys in green," Healy said, "and that's at odds with our long-standing tradition of being wary of the use of standing armies to keep the peace."

McHale stressed that the response units will be subject to the act, that only 8 percent of their personnel will be responsible for security and that their duties will be to protect the force, not other law enforcement. For decades, the military has assigned larger units to respond to civil disturbances, such as during the Los Angeles riot in 1992.

U.S. forces are already under heavy strain, however. The first reaction force is built around the Army's 3rd Infantry Division's 1st Brigade Combat Team, which returned in April after 15 months in Iraq. The team includes operations, aviation and medical task forces that are to be ready to deploy at home or overseas within 48 hours, with units specializing in chemical decontamination, bomb disposal, emergency care and logistics.

The one-year domestic mission, however, does not replace the brigade's next scheduled combat deployment in 2010. The brigade may get additional time in the United States to rest and regroup, compared with other combat units, but it may also face more training and operational requirements depending on its homeland security assignments.

Renuart said the Pentagon is accounting for the strain of fighting two wars, and the need for troops to spend time with their families. "We want to make sure the parameters are right for Iraq and Afghanistan," he said. The 1st Brigade's soldiers "will have some very aggressive training, but will also be home for much of that."

Although some Pentagon leaders initially expected to build the next two response units around combat teams, they are likely to be drawn mainly from reserves and the National Guard, such as the 218th Maneuver Enhancement Brigade from South Carolina, which returned in May after more than a year in Afghanistan.

Now that Pentagon strategy gives new priority to homeland security and calls for heavier reliance on the Guard and reserves, McHale said, Washington has to figure out how to pay for it.

"It's one thing to decide upon a course of action, and it's something else to make it happen," he said. "It's time to put our money where our mouth is."

posted on Jul, 29 2009 @ 03:01 PM
I strongly disagree the the title of the post.

The military consists of sons and daughters of the people. So, your assumption is that they will turn on their brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, mothers and fathers seems to me to be ridiculous.

Even if units are shipped to parts of the country that they aren't from they would recognize that their relatives are subject to the same rules.

I think that if the military is ordered to fight the people that the officers giving the orders will be fragged.

posted on Jul, 29 2009 @ 03:18 PM
as crazy as this may sound, I would much rather see them here than spread thinly all over the globe interfering where they aren't really needed

posted on Jul, 29 2009 @ 04:15 PM
reply to post by Golden Generic

It does seem that VP Cheney wanted to use the military to make arrests to challenge the law against using the military in the US:

The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 forbids the use of military forces in domestic areas.

The thread does not seem so far fetched now.

posted on Jul, 29 2009 @ 04:36 PM
yea ive gotta agree, i do take offense to the title although the indformation in the thread is pretty good....and id much rather die here in the US then overseas any damn day.

posted on Jul, 29 2009 @ 05:14 PM
omg.....are you really serious...alls they are doing is moving there home which is in fort hood to fort knox. thats it. they are one of the most deployed infantry division in the army. even god takes a break.

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