9/11 Truth: First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win-Gandhi

Originally posted by jprophet420

Like a bunch of rank amateurs pretending to be FDR experts.

Your level of ignorance is legendary.

[edit on 29-7-2009 by jprophet420]

Your quality of debate is legendary.

I forgot to mention Cap't Bob's claim about Camp Springs One would not be used as a morning departure out of Andrews because of *cough cough* "rush hour morning traffic* into Regan National.

Legendary.

great video

NANOTERMITE is the answer ... well, if you believe someone was paid to spray the 911 dust with a nano tech explosive, well, then I think you are the crazy one ...

Originally posted by trebor451

Originally posted by jprophet420

Like a bunch of rank amateurs pretending to be FDR experts.

Your level of ignorance is legendary.

[edit on 29-7-2009 by jprophet420]

Your quality of debate is legendary.

I forgot to mention Cap't Bob's claim about Camp Springs One would not be used as a morning departure out of Andrews because of *cough cough* "rush hour morning traffic* into Regan National.

Legendary.

Thank you. Its quite true. I've used it on this subject in other threads and don't feel like repeating it over and over and over.

Calling him Cap'n bob, thats cute.

I, and the following listed members of Pilots For 9/11 Truth, completed our analysis
and arrived at conclusions that we published in a press release dated March 26, 2007:
Glen Stanish 15,000+ Total Flight Time American Airlines, ATA, TWA,
Continental Captain Russ Wittenberg (ret) 30,000+ Total Flight Time Former
Pan Am, United United States Air Force (ret) Over 100 Combat Missions Flown
John Lear Son of Bill Lear Founder, creator of the Lear Jet Corporation More
than 40 years of Flying 19,000+ Total Flight Time Captain Jeff Latas USAF
(ret) Captain - JetBlue Airways Ted Muga Naval Aviator - Retired Commander,
USNR Col Robert Bowman USAF (ret) Directed all the “Star Wars” programs
under Presidents Ford and Carter - 101 combat missions
John Panarelli Friend and fellow aviator of John Ogonowski - Capt. AA #11
11,000+ Total Flight Time Eastern Metro, Braniff, Ryan International, Emery
Worldwide, Polar Air Cargo Lt. Colonel Shelton F. Lankford United States
Marine Corps (ret) 10,000+ Total Flight Time 303 Combat Missions
Captain Dan Govatos 10,000+ Total Flight Time Former Chief Pilot of Casino
Express airlines Director of Operations Training at Polar Air George Nelson
Colonel USAF (Ret.) Licensed Commercial Pilot and Aircraft Mechanic Dennis
Spear Army Aviator (ret) 7000+ Total Flight Time Operations Officer, Aviation
Safety Officer Captain Joe H. Ferguson 30,000+ Total Flight Time (ret) USAF
(ret)

All more qualified than you, and you question all of them.

Originally posted by jprophet420

Thank you. Its quite true. I've used it on this subject in other threads and don't feel like repeating it over and over and over.

Calling him Cap'n bob, thats cute.

Thanks. I can't claim it. That sobriquet came from the Orange County Weekly reporter, Nick Schou, after Cap't Bob sent him a rather juvenile email complaining that Schou wasn't being fair in the CIT Snakeoil expose he authored.

Glen Stanish 15,000+ Total Flight Time American Airlines, ATA, TWA,
Continental

Co-founder of PfT. Credibility shot right out of the box. I could care less how many flight hours he has. Flight hours does not insulate someone from stupidity.

Captain Russ Wittenberg (ret) 30,000+ Total Flight Time Former
Pan Am, United United States Air Force (ret) Over 100 Combat Missions Flown

Says HE couldn't fly the flight path that recreational pilots were able to do multiple times in full 757 sims. I could care less how many flight hours he has. Flight hours does not insulate someone from stupidity.

John Lear Son of Bill Lear Founder, creator of the Lear Jet Corporation More than 40 years of Flying 19,000+ Total Flight Time Captain

Believes there are moon bases on the dark side of the moon and we regularly visit them. Also believes NO aircraft hit the WTC. I could care less how many flight hours he has. Flight hours does not insulate someone from stupidity.


Jeff Latas USAF (ret) Captain - JetBlue Airways Ted Muga Naval Aviator - Retired Commander, USNR Col Robert Bowman USAF (ret) Directed all the “Star Wars” programs under Presidents Ford and Carter - 101 combat missions John Panarelli Friend and fellow aviator of John Ogonowski - Capt. AA #11 11,000+ Total Flight Time Eastern Metro, Braniff, Ryan International, Emery Worldwide, Polar Air Cargo Lt. Colonel Shelton F. Lankford United States Marine Corps (ret) 10,000+ Total Flight Time 303 Combat Missions Captain Dan Govatos 10,000+ Total Flight Time Former Chief Pilot of Casino Express airlines Director of Operations Training at Polar Air George Nelson Colonel USAF (Ret.) Licensed Commercial Pilot and Aircraft Mechanic Dennis Spear Army Aviator (ret) 7000+ Total Flight Time Operations Officer, Aviation Safety OfficerCaptain Joe H. Ferguson 30,000+ Total Flight Time (ret) USAF (ret)

yadda yadda yadda...I could care less how many flight hours they have. Flight hours does not insulate someone from stupidity.

All more qualified than you, and you question all of them.

Sure do. I'll throw the BS flag on all of them if they say no aircraft hit the WTC or no aircraft hit the Pentagon or Gopher 06 flew along the hairy edge of P-56 or if it took off after the ground stop or if the Camp Springs One departure is not used in the AM out of Andrews because it would conflict with arriving traffic into Reagan or if they claim to be experts on FDR operations/data/electronics or if they claim the "SAM missiles at the Pentagon were deactivated" or if they claim explosives were what caused the damage or if they say we talk to alien ETs on the backside of the moon.

You, on the other hand, seem to be impressed and starry eyed and all agog when you see mega-flight hours and all sorts of aviation-related bells, baubles and whistles. Knock yourself out. Rather than take a critical look at the facts and evidence, you would rather ascribe legitimacy and "qualifications" with flight hours and awards or an aviation pedigree, as if that means a hill of beans. No wonder your "movement" goes nowhere other than Internet discussion boards.

Points to ponder:

1. $ 5 million spent on the initial investigation compared to $ 50 million spent on Bill Clinton's impeachment
2. Pentagon loses $2.3 Trillion the day before 9/11
3. FEMA coming to New York on 10th September for a drill simulating hijacked airplanes into the WTC buildings on the next day
4. Footage of the "supposedly" boeing airplane crashing into the Pentagon, one of the most guarded places on earth with over 300 security cameras, not released.
5. WTC 7 falling like a pack of cards. The BBC reported this incident 30 minutes before it actually happened. 9/11 Commission Report and mainstream media completely ignored it. Most of the people still don't know that 3 buildings fell that day.
6. Testimonies of many witnesses like William Rodriguez omitted from the final report

Any answers?

likewise "stupidity" does not separate you from credentials, nor experience. shame we cant get past that.

You, on the other hand, seem to be impressed and starry eyed and all agog when you see mega-flight hours and all sorts of aviation-related bells, baubles and whistles.
I am Taking it at face value.
Knock yourself out. Rather than take a critical look at the facts and evidence,
I do on a regular basis, Its a shame you don't respond to any of my threads on the subject with legitimate counter arguments.
you would rather ascribe legitimacy and "qualifications"
Thats how the grown up scientific world works. This isn't some cute Matt Damon movie.
with flight hours and awards or an aviation pedigree, as if that means a hill of beans.
It means they are qualified to speak on aviation. If that doesn't mean a hill of beans to you then thats fine, but it disqualifies you from presenting any evidence by ANY pilot by your own standard.
No wonder your "movement" goes nowhere other than Internet discussion boards.
I am not associated with any "movement".


[edit on 30-7-2009 by jprophet420]

[edit on 30-7-2009 by jprophet420]

Originally posted by Epitaph25

Originally posted by eniac

Originally posted by trebor451

Originally posted by Epitaph25

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win.
- Gandhi

Let me fix that for you:

First they ignore you, then they play with you, then they play with you some more, then they ridicule you, then they ridicule you a WHOLE lot more, then they let you ridicule yourselves, then they let you make complete and total fools out of yourselves, then they sit back and laugh.

As far as "winning", I've read about a bajillion times you people saying "We Won!!!" Great. Declare victory and shut down your idiotic web pages. If all it takes to shut you Troofers up is to let you win, great! You won! Now go away.

You're obviously an NSA agent. Every other person in the world who watched Loose Change knows the REAL TRUTH, you SHHHHHEEEEEPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!
I bet you're a reptilian shape-shifter too.

Don't bother arguing with me as I have over 9000 pages of mythical evidence to draw on to prove that it was hologram planes guided by Ronald Reagan's ghost which flew into the Towers. Plus I've heard of Isaac Newton and have seen footage of controlled demolition of tower blocks. I have also researched thermite and steel melting dynamics thoroughly and vigorously at various 911-truth sites, which are exeptional sources of scientific education.

You can't fool me, man.
IT WAS AN INSIDE JOB MAN!!! WAKE UUUUPPPPPPP!!!!!!!

NO. IT WAS NOT, YOU 9/11 CONSPIRACY NUT.

All the scientists, engineers, architects, demolition experts, and physicists are bought and paid for. Who are they trying to kid? They only have 20-30 years experience in their field.

Never in our history have a group of powerful people indulged in nefarious activities in order to mislead the majority. If you believe otherwise, you are a gullible little joke.

The Gulf of Tonkin, Operation Northwoods, Project MKULTRA, Operation Gladio and "A Billionaire Pharmaceutical company "Bayer" deliberately exporting vaccines containing HIV virus" doesn't prove anything. They were simply accidents.

The mainstream media ALWAYS does it's job. It doesn't matter if the majority of them are controlled by a few. They will always present the most relevant important news to incite questions in their audience that will allow them to think critically.

Are you blind? We have 2 political parties. And, if one doesn't do it's job, then the other would be elected though our great Democracy. But, both of them will continue the foreign, and economic policies that are best for the people of this country. Because, we need more wars, more debt, and more inflation. And, if some crazy politician like Dennis Kucinich, Jesse Ventura or Ron Paul comes along, they will be ridiculed and ignored. Our media will take care of it.

We have the Greatest President in the world. Barack Hussein Obama.

Obama says that military is not an option in Iraq, and he spends another $100 billions on war with a quarter of a million contractors in Iraq. He says Iran is not a threat, and then says Iran has a potential to destroy America. He says he wants transparency but doesn't release pictures of torture committed on the "suspicious" people of Iraq including children. He wants freedom for people, and then brings in a law to make illegal prolonged detention legal. He wants to tax the reach to support the poor, but he bails out the billion dollar corporations.

But, that's alright. He is human after all. He will eventually make everything right.

Now, go away and tell your conspiracy theories to your kids. They don't exists. Never have and never will.

I have read thousands upon thousands of threads and posts on this site.

But this one right here takes the absolute ignorance cake by far. My stomach hurts right because of it. How I pity you and your ignorant family.


EDIT: OK I think this was all sarcasm. But I am not going to delete my comment because there are honestly several people on this site who actually believe that word for word. Those people have serious denial issues, and they're going to be shocked as hell as their country crumbles around them thanks to their ignorance and inaction to stop the highway robbery of their country.

[edit on 30-7-2009 by king9072]

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