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12 Ways Humans Are NOT Primates - Lloyd Pye

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posted on Jul, 31 2009 @ 05:45 PM
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The hair on my body grows to a certain length and then it falls off. Eye lashes, arm hair, leg hair, crotch and armpit hair, nose hair, ear hair inside and ear hair ON the ear and eyebrow hair (except for these two strange hairs I have, one on each eyebrow that grow twice as long!)




posted on Jul, 31 2009 @ 05:47 PM
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I'm aware, its only our head hair which keeps growing. And I also have some of those weird hairs that grow really long on random places - like 3 on one arm, one in my eyebrows, some on my chest (they get like 6 or 7 inches long haha, i usually pull them out when i notice them because they look so goddamn weird).



posted on Jul, 31 2009 @ 05:48 PM
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Yeah they bug me. It is weird because it is always the same spot that the hair grows back. Even if I pull it out at the roots.



posted on Jul, 31 2009 @ 05:50 PM
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Yeah i think it is a defect in the follicle itself. mine are also significantly darker than my body hair.



posted on Jul, 31 2009 @ 05:53 PM
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Yes....OIC.

BUT, is it true that HU-MAN females' scalp hair gows faster then HU-MAN males?


Also, seems to me, as a HU-MAN male, my locks grow faster at defferent times of year.



posted on Jul, 31 2009 @ 05:56 PM
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Originally posted by weedwhacker
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Yes....OIC.

BUT, is it true that HU-MAN females' scalp hair gows faster then HU-MAN males?


Also, seems to me, as a HU-MAN male, my locks grow faster at defferent times of year.


I've never heard of female hair growing faster. Women having long hair is 100% cultural, but if their hair does actually grow faster than I can see how it started.



posted on Jul, 31 2009 @ 06:26 PM
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I would think that a human males hair would grow faster since we cut it more often? Or does it have absolutely nothing to do with the amount that it is cut?

Like if you were to start shaving your legs wouldn't it start to grow back thicker, darker and faster? Or is that just a rumor?



posted on Jul, 31 2009 @ 07:12 PM
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Weedwhacker, it should be obvious why continuously growing hair and nails would be a risky disadvantage to primitives.
Cats shed their nails. In the wild, the nails of both cats and dogs are worn down by their activities.
"The rest of your attempt to "refute" JSc is equally flawed."

*****How? Or should I say, "Don't barge in and make a claim without explaining?"***

"Attempting to question the natural skin colors of peoples in other areas besides Africa shows that you didn't understand the concept of diet, migration, interbreeding and a whole host of other possible factors to explain that. Humans didn't evolve in a bubble."

*****Do Aisian, American Indian & Eskimos have tan skin or no? If they have been in the Norther climes for such a long time why didn't they turn white? You may be taking "migration and interbreeding" too lightly, as if it was just sooooo easy to walk from Africa to Alaska.****

****The hair of most mammals grows to a certain length and sheds - sometimes seasonally; some are continuous shedders. Cats shed continueously, some breeds of dogs do - like my Belgian Malinois, where as the Belgian Sheepdog and Belgian Tervuren are seasonal shedders. Some breed just grow continuously...Poodle and some wire hairs,****

JScytale: "Wrong. We didn't lose natural survivability because human beings don't rely on muscles to survive. We rely on outsmarting prey and predators."

******The prime directive of nature is survival. It cares not for smarts. No animal is any smarter than it has to be to survive. Nature would not give us intelligence beyond what we need.
Why would evolution make an exception for Eskimos?.****

"It isn't a disadvantage, its an annoyance. In fact it may have encouraged our ancestors to develop tools to deal with it."

****This is an illogical rationalization.****

"Also, nature produces TONS of disadvantageous mutations. MOST of the time mutations are bad. Those animals just die and rarely reproduce."

****Oh really? They do not reproduce because they die. Since they die, how would anyone know? And yet you are claiming that evolution happens because of mutations? So if they rarely reproduce, whare are there so many varieites of life forms?***

" Also, in order for us to selectively breed dogs to have hair like ours, the potential had to exist in their genes in the first place - we simply activated those genes"

****Maybe; we don't really know the ancestry of dogs like the Poodle.and the Portuguese Water Dog. They go back a long way. Maybe geneticly manipulation like modern humans were.****

." In order to introduce a completely new feature, either a mutation had to happen (which is unlikely in the time span of human selection), or they had to be engineered (before genetic engineering). Also, dogs would not revert in the wild. they would continue adapting to a new environment. Ever see a dingo? They are domestic dogs that began living wild and adapted to their new environment."

****The Dingo is unique like some other animals in Australia. It has already been shown that if today's dog breeds were to be on their own in the wild, the would meld into a wolf looking dog. Don't tell me about dogs.I've bred and shown them.***

****Albinism is interesting. Don't you wonder why we don't have whole subspecies of them? Your other thing there looks like a birth defect. We had a 2 headed guinea pig one time. Born dead. And there was a really weird looking extra long bodied, large headed, baby rabbit, also dead.****

****I would not stake my life savings on any claim that we have fully mapped any genome.If this had been going on for 100 years I might put up $100.****

***As to your Epileptic pet rabbit....it was a domestic rabbit wasn't it?***

****Viracocha, Quetzelcoatl etc are described as I said. Most of the Ancient Greek and Roman Gods were blonde. In fact the ancient Greeks and Romans were blonde. Do the research.*****

****You are still not doing the logistics of the ways and means of a mutated creature's chances of passing on his new traits so that they multiply to create this whole new creature. And I do not feel like working it out for you.****

****I am well aware of the evolution dogma. Where is our missing link? Surely it has to be somewhere up close. Neanderthal was found.. (I know, he's not our ancestro-DNA test) So shouldn't there be something around the time of Neander...just before.? Surely if much older skulls have been found they can find this one.****

On hair growth. I'm female and my hair grows about 1/4 a week. You can measure your hair and find out how much it grows in a week, then you will know.



posted on Jul, 31 2009 @ 07:52 PM
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Originally posted by OhZone
Weedwhacker, it should be obvious why continuously growing hair and nails would be a risky disadvantage to primitives.
Cats shed their nails. In the wild, the nails of both cats and dogs are worn down by their activities.

This is the part where you are supposed to explain why this would get a human killed by a predator and then realize how stupid your argument is.



*****Do Aisian, American Indian & Eskimos have tan skin or no? If they have been in the Norther climes for such a long time why didn't they turn white? You may be taking "migration and interbreeding" too lightly, as if it was just sooooo easy to walk from Africa to Alaska.****

First off, Native americans and asian people all get plenty of sunlight. Far northern japan is the only place where there is really heavy cloud cover / long winters - its practically siberia. Guess what color the people who live there's skin is?
WHITE


en.wikipedia.org...
Also, your commenting on the Inuit tells me you either ignored my point or didn't even bother to check the link I posted.



******The prime directive of nature is survival. It cares not for smarts. No animal is any smarter than it has to be to survive. Nature would not give us intelligence beyond what we need.

Go pick on a lion without a weapon and tell me that again. Then go lion hunting with a bow and arrow. Intelligence is *extremely* valuable as a survival AND hunting tool. Almost all predators are intelligent animals because they need to be able to predict what their prey is going to do and plan their attack.



****This is an illogical rationalization.****

No, its speculation.



****Oh really? They do not reproduce because they die. Since they die, how would anyone know? And yet you are claiming that evolution happens because of mutations? So if they rarely reproduce, whare are there so many varieites of life forms?***

Were you dropped on your head as a child?
If a mutation is disadvantageous or if a mutated animal dies for whatever reason, that mutation ends there. period. end of story. Evolution is the process of useful traits and new mutations becoming more and more common due to their allowing the animal with them to survive long enough to mate and pass them on. And yes, mutations are rare. The reason there are so many different kinds of life forms is because life has had 3,700,000,000 YEARS to evolve into myriads of different forms.


****Maybe; we don't really know the ancestry of dogs like the Poodle.and the Portuguese Water Dog. They go back a long way. Maybe geneticly manipulation like modern humans were.****

Sigh. Based on what evidence? Oh right, none. And we know how long poodles have been around. The poodle was originally bred in 15th century germany, and the modern poodle in france afterwards.



****The Dingo is unique like some other animals in Australia. It has already been shown that if today's dog breeds were to be on their own in the wild, the would meld into a wolf looking dog. Don't tell me about dogs.I've bred and shown them.***

And I actually know how genetics work.
ALL species are unique. No one species is more unique than another.
Animals don't "revert". They simply continue to adapt. Please link your source for your dogs reverting idea. Oh right, you don't have one.



****Albinism is interesting. Don't you wonder why we don't have whole subspecies of them? Your other thing there looks like a birth defect. We had a 2 headed guinea pig one time. Born dead. And there was a really weird looking extra long bodied, large headed, baby rabbit, also dead.****

MOST BIRTH DEFECTS ARE GENETIC DEFECTS
A large headed, extra long bodied rabbit could only really form due to a genetic defect.
For christs sake.
And albinism is simply a genetic mutation. It is far, far, far from something large enough to differentiate an animal into a subspecies.


****I would not stake my life savings on any claim that we have fully mapped any genome.If this had been going on for 100 years I might put up $100.****

All right, I'll take you up on that. Should I send you my paypal info?
www.ornl.gov...
We have such a perfect map of the genome that we can pinpoint where the two chromosomes that merged did so. The *exact gene*.



***As to your Epileptic pet rabbit....it was a domestic rabbit wasn't it?***

It was a rabbit we found trapped in the garage when I was a kid and took care of it.



****Viracocha, Quetzelcoatl etc are described as I said. Most of the Ancient Greek and Roman Gods were blonde. In fact the ancient Greeks and Romans were blonde. Do the research.*****

Viracocha was not blond, and had a beard made of feathers. Quetzalcoatl was a flying, winged serpent who took on hundreds of forms, ONE of which happened to have white skin (not blond hair). The greek and roman gods did not have blond hair. They are frequently drawn like that in modern times though. In fact, in Rome blond hair was associated with barbarism and uncivilized people because of how they saw the Germanic and Celtic tribes.



****You are still not doing the logistics of the ways and means of a mutated creature's chances of passing on his new traits so that they multiply to create this whole new creature. And I do not feel like working it out for you.****

And you seem to think these mutations are huge and suddenly a dinosaur gives birth to a bird.
You don't have to work it out for me, generations of biologists already have. Sigh.



****I am well aware of the evolution dogma. Where is our missing link? Surely it has to be somewhere up close. Neanderthal was found.. (I know, he's not our ancestro-DNA test) So shouldn't there be something around the time of Neander...just before.? Surely if much older skulls have been found they can find this one.****

Do you have any #ing idea how many "missing links" we have found? The word in itself is laughably ignorant. You know what lived around the time of the neanderthals? MODERN MAN (technically Cro-Magnon, but they were anatomically modern). WE drove them to extinction through competition.



On hair growth. I'm female and my hair grows about 1/4 a week. You can measure your hair and find out how much it grows in a week, then you will know.


Except that not only is every single individual unique in terms of how quickly their hair grows, but individual hairs vary greatly. The fact you think two samples is enough to come to a conclusion does speak volumes about you though.

[edit on 31-7-2009 by JScytale]



posted on Jul, 31 2009 @ 08:19 PM
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Originally posted by TurkeyBurgers
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I would think that a human males hair would grow faster since we cut it more often? Or does it have absolutely nothing to do with the amount that it is cut?

Like if you were to start shaving your legs wouldn't it start to grow back thicker, darker and faster? Or is that just a rumor?


I'm pretty sure that's a rumor. I know for a fact that the "thicker and darker" is really just an illusion because you clipped off the thin top end of the hair, so what is growing out is just the thick body.



posted on Jul, 31 2009 @ 08:31 PM
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I didn't say that long hair would get a human killed by a predator.
And I think it should be obvious that long hair, long gowns, long belts etc can be a hazzard.

There were a large number of Native Americans that lived in the Northern part of the US and Canada. The winters were just as long then as now.

What animal would go pick on a lion? Now you are being ridiculous.
Yes predators are intelligent, but the didn't need to develop intelligence to the level that we have did they?
You are stating speculation as fact?
Was I dropped on my head? No, that was supposed to read: Why are there so many varieties of life forms?

I question the veracity of the time numbers....no one can know.
YOu need to research Poodle History. They do not know where it came from. Suspect it came from Asia, a very long time ago. It existed in Egypt they say about 700 BC.

Pink eyed white rabbits are Albino, and there are millions of them. Domestic of course.

Cro Magnon was not modern man, else we became quite downgraded since then. Did you read the info on him on my web site? He was very tall - over 6', very robust, had low forehead and large occiput. Likewise the Guanches of the Canary Islands.

I want to see more of those missing llinks (human) that you say there are. You do know that "Lucy" was a fraud don't you? One of many. I want to see a whole complete skeleton where all the bones were found in place......not that they find them miles apart. For some of these creatures, like Gigantopithicus, They didn't even find a complete skull.

On the blond Romans etc....it's late and I'm tired...I'll tell you another time.. Actually you could do the research yourself.

Two hair samples....well I thought you could get a rough idea...take more...measure every week for a year and average it out. You don't have to get pissy about it.



posted on Jul, 31 2009 @ 08:42 PM
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Originally posted by OhZone
I didn't say that long hair would get a human killed by a predator.
And I think it should be obvious that long hair, long gowns, long belts etc can be a hazzard.

You think it just kept growing and never got torn out or cut by accident?



There were a large number of Native Americans that lived in the Northern part of the US and Canada. The winters were just as long then as now.

Who, like the inuit, had only been there for 5,000 or so years. That is less than a blink of an eye on an evolutionary scale. Notice the Ainu I linked? They have been there for MUCH longer and, as expected, physically adapted.



What animal would go pick on a lion? Now you are being ridiculous.
Yes predators are intelligent, but the didn't need to develop intelligence to the level that we have did they?

I can think of one. Humans. Or have you never heard of lion hunting? Hell, the romans did it for sport. They have frescoes of hunters with dogs killing lions.

Here. Have some ancient images from around the world of human beings hunting lions using their intelligence as their one and only advantage.







You are stating speculation as fact?




In fact it may have encouraged our ancestors to develop tools to deal with it.

stating as fact?



I question the veracity of the time numbers....no one can know.
YOu need to research Poodle History. They do not know where it came from. Suspect it came from Asia, a very long time ago. It existed in Egypt they say about 700 BC.

www.akc.org...



Pink eyed white rabbits are Albino, and there are millions of them. Domestic of course.

And I do hope you are aware that this is just a group of rabbits selectively bred to keep albinism, and not a subspecies.



Cro Magnon was not modern man, else we became quite downgraded since then. Did you read the info on him on my web site? He was very tall - over 6', very robust, had low forehead and large occiput. Likewise the Guanches of the Canary Islands.

anthropology.si.edu...

Cro-Magnon remains are representative of the earliest anatomically modern human beings to appear in western Europe

Cro-Magnon is essentially modern man, named for the region it was found in.



I want to see more of those missing llinks (human) that you say there are. You do know that "Lucy" was a fraud don't you? One of many. I want to see a whole complete skeleton where all the bones were found in place......not that they find them miles apart. For some of these creatures, like Gigantopithicus, They didn't even find a complete skull.

And I want to know what part of the chain you think is missing.
en.wikipedia.org...



On the blond Romans etc....it's late and I'm tired...I'll tell you another time.. Actually you could do the research yourself.

I have. Some greek and roman gods had hair described as "xanthenein", or fair. Fair can mean anything in a spectrum from light brown to white. Feel free to look that up.

By the way, your signature is enlightening.

[edit on 31-7-2009 by JScytale]



posted on Jul, 31 2009 @ 08:46 PM
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You know one thing he didnt mention is eye color, how many primates do you see (besides humans) that have green/blue/grey ect...color eyes?



posted on Jul, 31 2009 @ 08:49 PM
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Originally posted by Griffo515
You know one thing he didnt mention is eye color, how many primates do you see (besides humans) that have green/blue/grey ect...color eyes?


Eye colors other than brown are simply the result of low amounts of melanin (human pigmentation) - as are hair colors other than black (though red is a specific, separate mutation which took place afterwards in low melanin populations). BOTH side-effects of losing melanin in order to allow the skin to produce vitamin D in low-light conditions.

[edit on 31-7-2009 by JScytale]



posted on Aug, 1 2009 @ 06:21 AM
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OK, I give up. I see we're talking different languages here. If you don't see the difference i'm helpless. I must admit I'm a bit sad at this. (i wish there was a smilie with tears but I can't find it).



posted on Aug, 1 2009 @ 10:43 AM
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Originally posted by theufologist
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OK, I give up. I see we're talking different languages here. If you don't see the difference i'm helpless. I must admit I'm a bit sad at this. (i wish there was a smilie with tears but I can't find it).


Likewise. The fact that you don't realize that the only differences between humans and apes exist in your head because of how our brains are wired to recognize and classify humans makes me sad. If you think being highly intelligent animals separates us from the animal kingdom, well then
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posted on Aug, 1 2009 @ 12:25 PM
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Just different opinions. Bye.



posted on Aug, 1 2009 @ 01:53 PM
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"in my opinion" gravity keeps us stuck to the ground



posted on Aug, 1 2009 @ 01:58 PM
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Originally posted by JScytale
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I'm aware, its only our head hair which keeps growing. And I also have some of those weird hairs that grow really long on random places - like 3 on one arm, one in my eyebrows, some on my chest (they get like 6 or 7 inches long haha, i usually pull them out when i notice them because they look so goddamn weird).


Weird fact is that when in the womb for a certain period of time hair grows all over your body which then falls off and is then ingested.I don't know how that links into evolution but it obviously will in some way or another.



posted on Aug, 1 2009 @ 04:14 PM
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lots of strange things happen in the womb. there is a species of shark which actually kills all of its siblings in the womb, ensuring that only the strongest individual is actually born, and that it is born with hunting experience.



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