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First and foremost, Christianity does not worship the same god as islam or )udaism, they are vastly different. the Muslim god and )ewish god preach hate and destruction, Whereas the Christian God preaches love and peace. )ust look at the difference between the God in the old testament ( )ewish God ) and the God of the New Testament ( Christian God) the old testament is vengeful and angry, whereas the New Testament God is full of Love, compassion and Forgiveness. Our farcial Governments now days would have us believe that the Gods are the same, but there is only one god, God, Father of Lord )esus Christ. Go to any Muslim country or Israel, and you will find that they do not consider the Gods to be the same at all.


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And America is a "Presidential Democracy" not a republic

[edit on 29/7/09 by fapython]

reply to post by audas

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Its a shame that people such as yourself are so intolerant of other people's beliefs... such as the belief that gay sex is a sin. I believe extorted taxes is a wrong. Yet you may very well support involuntary taxes. And if so I'm not going to hate on you for that. I just wish people wouldn't hate on Christians for their beliefs like the man in the video. He couldn't even think straight he was so filled with hate. He was trying to give a speech and couldn't do it because of hate. Maybe you think its great the guy has a very severe superiority complex and arrogance about him but I find it disgusting.

A few people say "religion is the root of all evil", yet if there was no religion people would simply do the same exact things for different reasons. Lack of religion didn't stop Stalin. If people didn't dislike homosexuality due to what the Bible told them they'd simply dislike it for other reasons. You would probably say the Bible was entirely made up. If so, they put in the part about homosexuality being a sin for non-religious reasons. The idea came from somewhere and if not from God then from a guy who just plain thought homosexuality was a sin so much that they added that belief into their religion when it wasn't there in the first place.

reply to post by djon01

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You might say you are a secular state but i've yet to hear of a President who doesn't have to be a Christian (or at least, pretend to be).

Originally posted by fapython
reply to post by djon01

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First and foremost, Christianity does not worship the same god as islam or )udaism, they are vastly different. the Muslim god and )ewish god preach hate and destruction, Whereas the Christian God preaches love and peace. )ust look at the difference between the God in the old testament ( )ewish God ) and the God of the New Testament ( Christian God) the old testament is vengeful and angry, whereas the New Testament God is full of Love, compassion and Forgiveness. Our farcial Governments now days would have us believe that the Gods are the same, but there is only one god, God, Father of Lord )esus Christ. Go to any Muslim country or Israel, and you will find that they do not consider the Gods to be the same at all.


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And America is a "Presidential Democracy" not a republic

[edit on 29/7/09 by fapython]

You're damn wrong about this.

BEFORE 1940s-1960s AD, Jewish could stop by and pray in any Muslim mosque.

reply to post by fapython

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We elect officials to lead the country, we don't all have a direct vote for policy.
last i checked that was a republic.

It's like Benjamin Franklin said to the woman as he walked out of the constitutional convention. She asked "what have you given us?" and he replied "A republic, if you can keep it."

reply to post by phoenix103

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People elect our leaders, unfortunately, based on who they identify with. As most of our country is Christian, this makes a Christian the obvious choice. However, we do NOT allow preaching in public schools, nor do we allow any law restricting or imposing religious beliefs.

Hell, our founding fathers weren't even (proper) Christians.... though George Washington did speak of "Providence" (his name for god) often in his journal.

reply to post by audas

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Wow, you are so misinformed. Your distorted xenophobic view of americans is simply ridiculous. If you weren't discredited after "religion is almost entirely dead amongst well educated", you were discredited the next line down with every other word you typed. And what? you post a video to an American crime show? What the heck is your point?

Just because you see a clint eastwood movie doesn't mean it's how all Americans act. My guess is you don't have any American friends, and you've never been to America. So stick to what you know please. America isn't to blame, we all are. Take responsibility and stop looking for a scapegoat. You are the one in denial, my friend.

Religious fanaticism is everywhere. Go to the middle east. Go to Europe, Go to North Korea. it's not in one place. It's all point of view.

& BTW I'm not American. I'm England born and raised. (But I do live in America).

I don't know why you're so bitter over Americans (or christians), but I honestly hope that you find peace with yourself and stop looking to add more hatred to the world.


(I won't get into global warming, because most people just blindly believe it's all man made without seeing any scientific proof, so figure it out yourself. But if you came to America you'd see how much of the "green" revolution is all over the country. We're obsessed.)



Peace.

Did you know that some animals and plants are hermaphroditism?

In humans, hermaphroditism is an extremely rare sex anomaly. A true hermaphrodite is an individual who has both ovarian and testicular tissue. The ovarian and testicular tissue may be separate, or the two may be combined in what is called an ovotestis. Hermaphrodites have sex chromosomes showing male-female mosaicism (where one individual possesses both the male XY and female XX chromosome pairs). Most often, but not always, the chromosome complement is 46,XX, and in every such individual there also exists evidence of Y chromosomal material on one of the autosomes (any of the 22 pairs of chromosomes other than the sex chromosomes). Individuals with a 46,XX chromosome complement usually have ambiguous external genitalia with a sizable phallus and are therefore often reared as males. However, they develop breasts during puberty and menstruate and in only rare cases actually produce sperm. Individuals with the external appearance of one sex but the chromosomal constitution and reproductive organs of the opposite sex are examples of pseudohermaphroditism.

www.britannica.com...

Did you know that there are many species of animals that display homosexuality as well:

en.wikipedia.org...
Homosexual behavior is widespread amongst social birds and mammals, particularly the sea mammals and the primates.[3]

"No species has been found in which homosexual behaviour has not been shown to exist, with the exception of species that never have sex at all, such as sea urchins and aphids. Moreover, a part of the animal kingdom is hermaphroditic, truly bisexual. For them, homosexuality is not an issue."
—Petter Bøckman[3]

Animal sexual behavior takes many different forms, even within the same species and the motivations for and implications of their behaviors have yet to be fully understood. Bagemihl's research shows that homosexual behavior, not necessarily sex, has been observed in close to 1500 species, ranging from primates to gut worms, and is well documented for 500 of them.[5][6]

There is another good article on this here:
encyclopedia.stateuniversity.com...

What if mankind is developing towards that end on a physical level?

Some theorist that say there are many different species of "alien" life forms and that the human specie's DNA has been and is being "tinkered with yet again" by splicing in various other specie's DNA, mixing it in with our own and that some of these various species are themselves hermaphrodite or homosexual as well.

In a previous post I said the soul has no color, no gender.

We as a species must stop the hate and the being so judgemental of another as long as that "other" is not forcing "another" against their will.

If there are two conscenting adults, it is really no one elses business whom "another" choses to love.

Human kind is "evolving" faster and faster. Maybe our "sexuality" is evolving as well. With the sheer number of people on our planet, we no longer have to "reproduce". There are already enough of us. Sex was meant to also "be fun", a "pleasure".

Sometimes as well we cannot chose whom to love, it just happens (and I am talking about real love not physical / sex).

In the long scheme of things, we "humans" really don't know that much. Some of us think we know it all and try to force others to live their lives the way we think they should even when nobody is being hurt.

Some of us are hanging onto what I personally consider very "primitive" mindsets (religion / not spirituality) and these "mindsets" while in the beginning were useful to bring man along to the point we are at now. However, again in my humble opinion, "religion(s) have outlived their "usefulness".

It is most of these primitive religious beliefs that are holding humanity back from realizing his/her true potential.

Mankind and Earth are evolving.

We are coming closer to "The creator source / the whole"

Many can feel it, like a storm coming. Particularly the younger ones.

Possibly instead of discussing who is mating with whom we should all really be discussing the "Garbage Patch"

The Great Pacific Garbage Patch, also described as the Eastern Garbage Patch or the Pacific Trash Vortex, is a gyre of marine litter in the central North Pacific Ocean located roughly between 135° to 155°W and 35° to 42°N and estimated to be twice the size of Texas.[1] The patch is characterized by exceptionally high concentrations of suspended plastic and other debris that have been trapped by the currents of the North Pacific Gyre. Despite its size and density, the patch is not visible from satellite photography because it consists of very, very small pieces, almost invisible to the naked eye [2] and most of its contents are suspended beneath the surface of the ocean. [3]

en.wikipedia.org...

or Why we are all allowing the statistics below to continue to our fellow brothers and sisters.

On the average, 1 person dies every second as a result of hunger - 4000 every hour - 100 000 each day - 36 million each year - 58 % of all deaths (2001-2004 estimates).[10][11][12]

On the average, 1 child dies every 5 seconds as a result of hunger - 700 every hour - 16 000 each day - 6 million each year - 60% of all child deaths (2002-2008 estimates) en.wikipedia.org... (Warning picture at this site are very disturbing.

Globally between 13 to 18 million die each year from starvation.

That last sentence alone should have brought a gut wrenching reaction from you.

If it didn't you maybe are not human or if most people reading that last sentence don't care, maybe we as a species should be allowed to become extinct like the dinosaurs.

I base that statistical number from here

wiki.answers.com... year from starvation on this planet.

There are so many stupid threads that are getting attention here on ATS: Why did God let the dinosaurs die, why does "god" not heal amputees, heck ask why "God" lets 13-18 millions souls starve to death each year (many are innocent children).

Folks, we all of us together are "god". Religion, at one time was useful. Now it's holding us back from our true spiritual potential.

If we as a species are truely ever going to progress, we have got to stop the hate and the indifference.

Whom one choses to love and be with is really nobody else's business.

Just maybe worry about your own individual soul's progress. Are you showing love and kindness towards others (humans and animals)?

How about the many hugh problems we as a species are having on this planet right now that if not "solved" might very well mean the termination of our very own species?

The underlining cause of most major problems we as a species face today is due in part to either hate, indifference and the stubborn hanging onto outdated beliefs.

Mankind needs to evolve (grow up).

Religion is dying out because it has outlived it's usefulness and is now a detriment to the planet.

All the killing, the wars, the misery - in the name of religion and "god".

We all together are "god" - like drops of water (us) and the ocean (god).

Each person reading this has experienced a "longing" a "yearning".

That "yearning" is the individual soul, the deep innerness of you that has splintered off from the "whole/god" wanting to get back to that whole but forgetting how to get back.

The answer is love and trying to be a decent, kind loving "service to others" type of person.

Not the smiling, barbie doll perky smile and saying have a nice day and then playing some "office games" so "you can survive" at the expense of someone else even though you innerly know it's wrong, or cutting someone off in traffic or knowing someone is walking towards the same elevator you are on and if you would hold that elevator just a minute longer they could make it.

Each day, in tiny little ways we humans are "tested" we experience our karma and make or pay back that karma (what goes around comes around).

So many important issues and ATS and I guess many of the people here just don't pick up on the really important stuff that could make a difference.

Whom someone choses to love, no matter what sex is really nobody else's business.

I wonder why the Fundamentalist have to keep picking away at this all in the name of "god".

Lastly love don't hate. It is the hate that is holding all of us back.

Start worrying about the major stuff we as a species need to address and leave the silly stuff (Lucy loves Lulu) to Lucy and Lulu.

I will give you a list of what I consider important issues we all should be addressing:

World population -
Starvation -
Birth control -
Disease -
Exploiting of human resources (greed of some for the whole pie and how the rest of us let them do this by our voting in people who compromise their moral obligations)
Cleaning up our planet so we all don't drown in our own poop
Child abuse
Animal abuse
Elderly abuse
Healthcare for EVERY SINGLE SOUL ON THE PLANET
War and the number of victims (souls) that alone claims each year and forever scares the family that soul leaves behind
Our corrupt politicians .......................the list goes on

We are all in this together. We are all interconnected like legos.

Live long & prosper.


[edit on 5-12-2009 by ofhumandescent]

reply to post by defcon5

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Just because everyone thought the world was flat 500 years ago did not make it so.

All the wars, the torturing, the murdering in the many names of "god".

Humanity needs to grow up.

Live long and prosper.

reply to post by defcon5

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I was referring to adult homosexuality and not pedophilia. The child abuse in the Catholic Church is also not gender specific, the revelations in Ireland for example include several cases of raped and molested girls. I suppose the access to boys is easier for priests. Some other organizations that have recently faced law suits from former abuse victims are the Mormons and Boy Scouts.
In Islam some of the most fundamentalist groups have been implicated in pedophilia (FrontPage Magazine - Boys of the Taliban 97.74.65.51...). In Hinduism modern gay relationships have been controversial, but the faith allows for a third gender - men who live like women, engage in homosexuality and even marry the God Aravan. Before colonialism the eastern faiths had ferw sanctions against homosexuality.
Fundamentalist Christian gay scandals are numerous (see godhatesfundamentalists.com...). According to Rick Ross' "Cult News" a more high-profile scandal involved TBN's Paul Crouch, and the organization paid off a former employee $450 000 not to take Crouch to court (well with a wife like that, are we surprised? - a nice use of tithe money however). Despite the happy family act on screen, Paul and Jan apparently live apart in private.
What is more common (we've had some cases in South Africa and Uganda) is pastors who sleep with their daughters and even sometimes use Lot's incest in Genesis 19 as a justification. Here is a more shocking US version: religiouschildabuse.blogspot.com...)
The argument that abuse or even consenting adult homosexuality is limited to any one church is thus totally wrong. The idea that marriage saves people from temptation is also not proven in any sense.

[edit on 5-12-2009 by halfoldman]

[edit on 5-12-2009 by halfoldman]

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