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Unveiled! Hawaii's 1961 long-form birth certificates

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posted on Jul, 29 2009 @ 07:40 PM
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Originally posted by RichieScott1
I just noticed something at the bottom of Obama's certificate.

"ANY ALTERATIONS INVALIDATE THIS CERTIFICATE"

Well, the certificate number is clearly blacked out. Therefore, in theory, that form is now invalid, right?


You got all those stars for this intelligent observation?

Ahem, pssst, come here. I do not want to embarass you in front of all your friends. The form is not altered. The digital image of the form is altered. Know the difference?




posted on Jul, 29 2009 @ 08:00 PM
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It's a possibility. His mother moved in those circles and was basically indoctrinated in a Marxist high school in Wa state. I believe that one of the first nation of Islam temples was opened nearby at around the same time.

Of course if true it would only add to his cred. Liberals would have yet another reason to worship him. It's just too bad that he is behaving more and more like the antichrist than a true liberal. His health care plan is right out of a Nazi eugenics program.



posted on Jul, 29 2009 @ 08:05 PM
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Originally posted by rangersdad
reply to post by SevenThunders
 


Maybe Obama's father is really George Bush Sr? I bet that would throw him and everyone else into a tailspin IF that were true!!!


Ahh if only it were true! Maybe George had a little dalliance with nice looking black girl and Obama's mom adopted her offspring? That's why they had to hide the birth certificate lol.

In this way the Bush clan can continue to hold office! Oh that would be a sweet irony. Since Obama is continuing all the worst of the Bush policies and then has added a host of nazi and communist like takeovers of private and personal business, it just makes sense.



posted on Jul, 29 2009 @ 08:15 PM
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Originally posted by skeptic1
And, that is what the majority of us want: people to shut up on both sidesand the simple question answered in the only way that will shut them the hell up.

It wouldn't be all that hard, now, would it??


Who is "us" exactly? The majority of Americans could care less about this all together. The majority of Americans voted for him. Where did you get your numbers from?

Why do people feel that they can just make anything up that they want here and then stand up and call other people liars?



posted on Jul, 29 2009 @ 08:18 PM
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Originally posted by SevenThunders
His health care plan is right out of a Nazi eugenics program.


Is it? Please show us the part of the bill that is even close? Just because Alex Jones says something, does not make it true. You can actually look this one up. Please do, U2U me when you find the part in any version of the proposal or bill that has anything to do with nazis or eugenics. These threads are getting embarassing. This site is getting embarassing.



posted on Jul, 29 2009 @ 08:24 PM
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Hey, psst, I don't want to expose your ignorance, but I've already answered smart alec remarks like yours a few times over.

See: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Maybe people should read past the first page before providing 'input'.

[edit on 29-7-2009 by RichieScott1]



posted on Jul, 29 2009 @ 08:45 PM
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You asked for it,



Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Government will RESTRICT enrollment of special needs people!

Pg 425 Lines 4-12 Government mandates Advance [Death] Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life.

Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney. Mandatory!

Pg 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Government provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death.

Pg 427 Lines 15-24 Government mandates program for orders for end of life. The government has a say in how your life ends.

Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An “adv. care planning consult” will be used frequently as patient's health deteriorates.

Pg 429 Lines 10-12 “adv. care consultation” may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from Government.

Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The government will specify which doctors can write an end of life order.

PG 430 Lines 11-15 The government will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life.

Pg 632 Lines 14-25 The Government may implement any “Quality measure” of health care services as they see fit.

PG 633 14-25/ 634 1-9 The Secretary may issue non-endorsed “Quality Measures” for Physician Services and Dialysis Services.

Pg 769 3-5 Nurse Home Visit Services - “increasing birth intervals between pregnancies.” Government ABORTIONS anyone?

Pg 770 SEC 1714 Federal Government mandates eligibility for State Family Planning Services. Abortion and State Sovereign.

ie the government will mandate abortions

PG 801 Sec 1751 The government will decide which health care conditions will be paid. Say RATION!

Pg 838-840 Government will design and implement Home Visitation Program for families with young kids and families expecting kids.

PG 844-845 This Home Visitation Program includes government coming into your house and telling you how to parent!!!

PG 935 21-22 Government will identify specific goals & objectives for prevention & wellness activities. Control YOU!!

PG 936 Government will develop “Healthy People and National Public Health Performance Standards” Tell me what to eat?



From
www.morningstarministries.org...

Also note the concept of quality life year. They can deny you health care if they deem your quality of life too low. ie lets kill off the weak and disabled.

spectator.org...

That was the core of eugenics and Hitler just loved the plan. By the way eugenics was championed by the founder of planned parenthood. Margaret Sanger's Nazi dream is alive and well!



posted on Jul, 29 2009 @ 08:47 PM
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There is something Obama wants hidden and it is not necessarily his birthplace.



I have wondered about this since before the election. It is entirely possible that some of the information on the long form may be the issue in keeping this thing sealed up.

If he was born in Hawii on the date specified and parented by the two people listed on this short form. Then there would be no discrepency between the 2 documents. There would be absolutely no reason not to show the long form.

If however, he was born in Hawii on the date specified and parented by different people (specifically the father) then what is listed on the short form would not match the long form. And if that were the case just imagine the fallout............ regardless of his citizenship.


I am curious though, why there are such personal attacks on those so called "birthers"(whatever that means). The names.......... my god

why do people take this so personally?

nutjobs... fringers... etc.


Are people who believe in other conspiracies called nutjobs? Like if I believe JFK was assassinated by undercover gov am I a nutjob? Or if I think 9/11 was an inside job, am i wacko?



posted on Jul, 29 2009 @ 09:40 PM
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I like the post

You read between the lines, very thought provoking.

Mat



posted on Jul, 29 2009 @ 10:27 PM
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You are going to have to do better than that. A page number and then an idea of an interpretation of what it says. Show me the actual quotes pertaining to how Obama's plan has to do with eugenics.



posted on Jul, 29 2009 @ 10:28 PM
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Originally posted by RichieScott1
reply to post by evil incarnate
 


Hey, psst, I don't want to expose your ignorance, but I've already answered smart alec remarks like yours a few times over.

See: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Maybe people should read past the first page before providing 'input'.

[edit on 29-7-2009 by RichieScott1]


I have. I still fail to see any actual text from the bill that has anything to do with eugenics. I guess there is a reason that two of you responded and neither of you showed me what I asked for.



posted on Jul, 29 2009 @ 10:32 PM
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Originally posted by RichieScott1
I just noticed something at the bottom of Obama's certificate.

"ANY ALTERATIONS INVALIDATE THIS CERTIFICATE"

Well, the certificate number is clearly blacked out. Therefore, in theory, that form is now invalid, right?


There is nothing thought provoking about this post at all. It is just wrong. It fails to pay attention to the obvious truth. I guess even Richie knows what is so very very very very ignorant about that statement too or else he would have responded to me here instead of U2Uing me about how I will be ignored for being a jerk or something to that effect. He could have proven me wrong, but he did not. Anyone starring him and complementing him for such a stupid statement, can prove me wrong any time as well. I am opening myself up for that attack, please take your shot.



posted on Jul, 29 2009 @ 10:57 PM
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People get pretty worked up over the values and in this case people (aka Obama) they worship. They don't like to see their carefully constructed illusions torn down.

As for what Obama is hiding, it's anyone's guess. If as some feel, Obama is actually the antichrist, then perhaps he has no natural father or perhaps his father is very controversial.

Given how evil and Nazi-like his health care bill, I'm starting to seriously consider the possibility that he may actually be the ac.



posted on Jul, 29 2009 @ 11:08 PM
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Originally posted by SevenThunders
reply to post by PowerSlave
 


People get pretty worked up over the values and in this case people (aka Obama) they worship. They don't like to see their carefully constructed illusions torn down.

As for what Obama is hiding, it's anyone's guess. If as some feel, Obama is actually the antichrist, then perhaps he has no natural father or perhaps his father is very controversial.

Given how evil and Nazi-like his health care bill, I'm starting to seriously consider the possibility that he may actually be the ac.



Wow!!!!!!!!!!! Now I really get it. So far the birthers have proven to be ignorant, liars, scared, and now religious fanatics too? When does this carful deconstruction begin? It is cute how people like you claim to be proving things or tearing things down and yet....you have not even come close to trying either one.



posted on Jul, 29 2009 @ 11:35 PM
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For you any christian is a religious fanatic. Or perhaps your prefer your christians to be as quiet as church mouses and to bow down to their post-christian atheist overlords.

I'm not doing it. I'll call it the way I see it. The way I see it is that Obama is a lost soul touched by great evil. That's the only way he and his allies could conceive of such a monstrous socialist nazi-like power grab as the health-scare bill.

Moreover I say Obama is hiding something. Otherwise he would reveal his long form birth certificate and would not be lawyering up to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars to hide his past.



posted on Jul, 29 2009 @ 11:58 PM
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I did respond to you here. Are you blind??

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Open your eyes dude...

Yes, I did U2U you in a reply to your U2U asking why I "foe"ed you.

[edit on 29-7-2009 by RichieScott1]



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 12:00 AM
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Originally posted by evil incarnate

Originally posted by RichieScott1
reply to post by evil incarnate
 


Hey, psst, I don't want to expose your ignorance, but I've already answered smart alec remarks like yours a few times over.

See: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Maybe people should read past the first page before providing 'input'.

[edit on 29-7-2009 by RichieScott1]


I have. I still fail to see any actual text from the bill that has anything to do with eugenics. I guess there is a reason that two of you responded and neither of you showed me what I asked for.


Uhhh, the post I linked has nothing to do with eugenics. Guess it is true. You only see what you want to see.



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 12:09 AM
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Originally posted by SevenThunders
reply to post by evil incarnate
 


For you any christian is a religious fanatic.


Nope, just the ones that say our president may actually be the antichrist.


Or perhaps your prefer your christians to be as quiet as church mouses and to bow down to their post-christian atheist overlords.


I could care less what they do as long as they don't force me to have to do it as well. What do you mean, 'post-christian?' There were atheists before christians too.


I'm not doing it. I'll call it the way I see it. The way I see it is that Obama is a lost soul touched by great evil. That's the only way he and his allies could conceive of such a monstrous socialist nazi-like power grab as the health-scare bill.


Are you talking about the optional health care plan that could not be farther from a power grab? The one that I keep asking for people to show me where it says these 'scary' things and yet, I am still waiting? That bill? So, he does not want me to HAVE to deal with insurance companies that overcharge or refuse to cover me. That is evil.


Moreover I say Obama is hiding something. Otherwise he would reveal his long form birth certificate and would not be lawyering up to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars to hide his past.


Care to source that?



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 12:11 AM
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Originally posted by RichieScott1

Originally posted by evil incarnate

Originally posted by RichieScott1
reply to post by evil incarnate
 


Hey, psst, I don't want to expose your ignorance, but I've already answered smart alec remarks like yours a few times over.

See: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Maybe people should read past the first page before providing 'input'.

[edit on 29-7-2009 by RichieScott1]


I have. I still fail to see any actual text from the bill that has anything to do with eugenics. I guess there is a reason that two of you responded and neither of you showed me what I asked for.


Uhhh, the post I linked has nothing to do with eugenics. Guess it is true. You only see what you want to see.



uhhh... that is what I said. Nothing about eugenics there. I asked for some quotes or proof or a link to that parts of the bill about eugenics. You offered up that for some reason and there is nothing about eugenics in there. Thank you for re-affirming that.

How am I seeing only what I want to see? I wanted to see something about eugenics and did not. You agree that I did not. What is your issue again?



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 12:13 AM
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Originally posted by evil incarnate

Originally posted by RichieScott1
I just noticed something at the bottom of Obama's certificate.

"ANY ALTERATIONS INVALIDATE THIS CERTIFICATE"

Well, the certificate number is clearly blacked out. Therefore, in theory, that form is now invalid, right?


You got all those stars for this intelligent observation?

Ahem, pssst, come here. I do not want to embarass you in front of all your friends. The form is not altered. The digital image of the form is altered. Know the difference?


^^^That is what I'm talking about. I have nothing to do with the eugenics part of this discussion. If you actually click the link I provided you will see my explanation for my first reply on this thread.

[edit on 30-7-2009 by RichieScott1]



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