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First Osama, then Saddam and now Bush Kills Americans and Innocent People

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posted on May, 17 2004 @ 12:58 AM
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Bush acountable for what, and dont go into anti war drivel...
list me some SPECIFIC, PROVABLE, and ACTIONABLE (impeachable) actions.

Heck, Bush could and can send US armed forces anywhere in the world for 90 days as is the authority of the Office he holds. He doesnt need permission.

Hmm didnt Congress sign an open ended deal that basically gives the administration the ok AND the $$$ to wage war? They made it nice and vauge too, so that there was leeway in what the Presidential options could be.

Bush is accountable for making a decision as Commander in Chief....but
Judging the war wrong before duriung or after the conflict and then trying to apply that to the President is a far far streatch of reason unless there is something tangible to nail him on.

If there was something tangible to act against Bush on
WHY HAVENT HIS OPPONENTS ALREADY CAPITALIZED ON THIS?

Simple, they dont got whats its gonna take to get him.




posted on May, 17 2004 @ 01:33 AM
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Err, Orang.....OBL/Al Qaeda has threatened to destroy the house of Saud....you obviously don't know what you are talking about. Althou its true that the house of saud is not the most benign, they have trully shown changes and a willingness to embrace the west, and even thou these changes are slow, they have been trying. This is one of the reasons why OBL wants to destroy the house of saud, because of their ties to the western world, which Islamic extremists don't want.

"Osama Bin Laden vs. the House of Saud
Q&A: TIME's Middle East bureau chief Scott MacLeod, in Riyadh, says this weeks bombings have opened a battle for the soul of Saudi Arabia, forcing the royal family to rethink its response to Islamist extremism."

Excerpt taken from.
www.time.com...

BTW I lived in Spain, and i remember many people were remembering fondly the times of Franco...but i can assure you, Bush is nothing like Franco was, and Bush is not facist....

Also, here is a snip on some of the information that ties Saddam/Iraq to Al Qaeda...and Russia.....

"Frontpage Magazine: Welcome to Frontpage Interview, Mr. Pacepa. Let’s begin. As a former Romanian spy chief who used to take direct orders from the Soviet KGB, you are obviously armed with a wealth of information. You have written about how the Soviets armed Hussein with WMDs, and also taught him how to eliminate any trace of them. Can you talk a bit about this and tell us its connection to the “missing WMDs” in Iraq today?


Pacepa: Contemporary political memory seems to be conveniently afflicted with some kind of Alzheimer's disease. Not long ago, every Western leader, starting with President Clinton, fumed against Saddam’s WMD. Now almost no one remembers that after General Hussein Kamel, Saddam’s son-in-law, defected to Jordan in 1995, he helped us find “more than one hundred metal trunks and boxes” containing documentation “dealing with all categories of weapons, including nuclear.” He also aided UNSCOM to fish out of the Tigris River high-grade missile components prohibited to Iraq. That was exactly what my old Soviet-made “Sărindar” plan stated he should do in case of emergency: destroy the weapons, hide the equipment, and preserve the documentation. No wonder Saddam hastened to lure Kamel back to Iraq, where three days later he was killed together with over 40 of his relatives in what the Baghdad official press described as a “spontaneous administration of tribal justice.” Once that was done, Saddam slammed the door shut to any UNSCOM inspection.


...............
FP: It is undeniable, therefore, that Saddam had WMDs, right?


Pacepa: In the early 1970s, the Kremlin established a “socialist division of labor” for persuading the governments of Iraq and Libya to join the terrorist war against the US. KGB chairman Yury Andropov (who would later become the leader of the Soviet Union), told me that either of those two countries could inflict more damage on the Americans than could the Red Brigades, the Baader-Meinhof group and all other terrorist organizations taken together. The governments of those Arab countries, Andropov explained, not only had inexhaustible financial resources (read: oil), but they also had huge intelligence services that were being run by “our razvedka advisers” and could extend their tentacles to every corner of the earth. There was one major danger, though: by raising terrorism to the state level we risked American reprisal. Washington would never dispatch its airplanes and rockets to exterminate the Baader-Meinhof, but it might well deploy them to destroy a terrorist state. We therefore were also tasked to provide those countries secretly with weapons of mass destruction, because Andropov concluded that the Yankees would never attack a country that could retaliate with such deadly weapons.


Libya was Romania’s main client in that socialist division of labor, because of Ceausescu’s close association with Colonel Muammar Gaddafi. Moscow kept Iraq. Andropov told me that, if our Iraq and Libyan experiment proved successful, the same strategy would be extended to Syria. Recently, Libya’s Gaddafi admitted to having WMD, and the CIA inspectors found them. Why should we believe that the almighty Soviet Union, which had proliferated WMD all over the world, was not able to do the same thing in Iraq? Every piece of armament Iraq had came from the former Soviet Union—from the Katyusha launchers to the T72 tanks, BMP-1 fighting vehicles and MiG fighter planes. In the spring of 2002, just a couple of weeks after Russia took its place at the NATO table, President Putin and his ex-KGB officers who are now running Russia concluded another $40 billion trade deal with Saddam Hussein’s tyrannical regime in Iraq. That was not for grain or beans—Russia has to import them from elsewhere. "

Excerpts taken from.

www.frontpagemag.com...

If you want to read more information on this, here is the original link that i posted this information on.
www.abovetopsecret.com...


[Edited on 17-5-2004 by Muaddib]



posted on May, 17 2004 @ 01:44 AM
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To claim that one joined for the training or educational benefits and not the war/military aspect is frightening, to say the least, but certainly not an excuse or cover.



seekerof

[Edited on 10-5-2004 by Seekerof]


You would never guess how many people are in the military not because they want to be but because they have no choice. People who cant find a job, hold a job etc. There are an extremely large amount of people who join the military for getting money for college. The ad programs for the military stay "Get money for college"

It's an unfortunate thing I agree but there are tons of people who joined to get that money and that's the only reason. Belive it or not it's true.

Want to know why I think this war's b.s. Read my little links below.



posted on May, 17 2004 @ 01:51 AM
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Hoppingmad1, did you even read the information I posted above?

Believe it or not, almost every government in this world has shaked hands with one or many dictators, its nothing new. Normally nations try to find peaceful solutions to problems, and its nothing new either that people change alliances when it fits their agendas. (I am talking about Saddam in this case)

[Edited on 17-5-2004 by Muaddib]



posted on May, 17 2004 @ 06:42 AM
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Originally posted by Muaddib
Err, Orang.....OBL/Al Qaeda has threatened to destroy the house of Saud....


There is squabbling in every family, and the Bush-Saud-bin Laden Family is no different.

The FACT remains that Bush has sold out America's Military Heroes and Patriots in the Middle East because he FAILED TO KILL OSAMA AND AL QAEDA BEFORE INVADING IRAQ



posted on May, 17 2004 @ 07:41 AM
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Orang, you are a psycho in desparate need of a shrink. But lookit, here's an idea for you, rather than simply screaming nonsense, put together some factual evidence and present it to this community for consideration. Maybe this will help you come to terms with your issues, too.
Meanwhile, is there a doctor in the house?!?!?!



posted on May, 17 2004 @ 07:42 AM
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And before you ask, Orang, the answer is "No", I will not share my meds with you. Go get your own.



posted on May, 17 2004 @ 08:19 AM
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what i really do not understand is that there are americans who doubt their president !

if you don't like it as the USA is doing... why don't you move out and go living somewhere else where your admiration is...iran,ashcanistan,syria or so...
nobody will stop you emigrating !!



posted on May, 17 2004 @ 08:23 AM
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NGITU, I hear where you're coming from, and to an extent I agree with you, but it is good to have a healthy dose of suspicion when thinking about the American government. This is what the Founders wanted us to do, and it is much more important we do that now, considering the power our government controls.

Going over the edge with uncontrolled paranoia as we are seeing here on this thread isn't healthy, though.



posted on May, 17 2004 @ 08:59 AM
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TC, your attempt to imitate Himler are succeeding.

Will it help if I surrender and start saying "Sieg Heil" to you?

When are you going to start KKK book burnings in the South again?



posted on May, 17 2004 @ 09:02 AM
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As I expected, another stupid post.

You make wild allegations with no fact or supporting evidence, and then you refer to those who see you for what you are as Nazis.
Hello, pot! Meet kettle!



posted on May, 17 2004 @ 09:04 AM
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Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
As I expected, another stupid post.

You make wild allegations with no fact or supporting evidence, and then you refer to those who see you for what you are as Nazis.
Hello, pot! Meet kettle!


You need to look in your mirror TC, you'll definitely see a deranged neocon nazi KKK from the south in your mirror.



posted on May, 17 2004 @ 09:05 AM
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if there are hard decissions to be made...just make them and if there are some hick-ups in the execution just correct and go on reaching for the bull's eye target
but going soft on a matter of war is pure a loss of time and...that is what some politicians are doing !
i don't even take in account the tabloids who do anything possible just to please their low i.q. readers
ofcourse never the less it is true or false...



posted on May, 17 2004 @ 09:14 AM
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Originally posted by NOGODSINTHEUNIVERSE
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Flanders Belgium, you have a ringside seat to the BushNeoConFascist destruction of American Democracy.

TC proves that everytime he posts, he just deleted my latest thread, book and cross burnings are scheduled for later in the day.

Enjoy.


[Edited on 17-5-2004 by orang]



posted on May, 17 2004 @ 09:53 AM
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orang...would'nt it be nice that your country became:
demoCRAZY


can i exchange that ringseat for a backseat in a F-15E strike eagle or a F-18 super hornet pleazzzzze




posted on May, 17 2004 @ 10:11 AM
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Originally posted by NOGODSINTHEUNIVERSE
orang...would'nt it be nice that your country became:
demoCRAZY


can i exchange that ringseat for a backseat in a F-15E strike eagle or a F-18 super hornet pleazzzzze



Actually, being a REO in the back seat of an F-14 Tomcat is much more comfortable, take my word for it.

But NO, I really believe in a two party, and only two party system. I'm just a disenfranchised Reagan republican at the moment, waiting for honor and integrity to return to the White House. At least Reagan admitted blunders and apologized sincerely. Then when he got Russia to give up Communism and tear down the Berlin Wall, he became the Best President since FDR, who Reagan really did respect.

[Edited on 17-5-2004 by orang]



posted on May, 17 2004 @ 09:59 PM
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Originally posted by orang
There is squabbling in every family, and the Bush-Saud-bin Laden Family is no different.

The FACT remains that Bush has sold out America's Military Heroes and Patriots in the Middle East because he FAILED TO KILL OSAMA AND AL QAEDA BEFORE INVADING IRAQ


You are really messed up Orang.... OBL/Al Qaeda have repeately stated that they want to take out the house of Saud... and if you think its that easy to kill OBL, maybe you should try it. When you succed, come back and tell us...



posted on May, 18 2004 @ 07:27 AM
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Originally posted by Muaddib
You are really messed up Orang.... OBL/Al Qaeda have repeately stated that they want to take out the house of Saud... and if you think its that easy to kill OBL, maybe you should try it. When you succed, come back and tell us...


He Muaddib from Dune, I'll never succeed with telling the truth to the radical right wing and I know it.

You may have missed the fiasco of Bush allowing his Saudimites the royal privelege of flying the bin Laden family out of New York on 9/11 when Americans were grounded at the same time.

The Saud-Bush-bin Laden Family connections are well documented in House of Bush House of Saud in case you ever read anything but radical right wing forums.

[Edited on 19-5-2004 by Seekerof]



posted on May, 18 2004 @ 04:53 PM
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Well, before, when we were at war, it was war, no one to blame for deaths. But guess what? We are no longer at war, and that is where Bush Admin. is to blame. If we are not at war, then why are MILITARY TROOPS there. Sounds like the war isn't over if the army is there. it'd be like someone getting cut and starts to bleed, then I say they have stopped bleeding, even though they are still bleeding. I said they weren't, but they are, Bush says war over, but we still fighting.

Well, gonna go, bye.



posted on May, 18 2004 @ 04:58 PM
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How is Bush responsible for deaths? Joining with the statement of how the soldiers joined and knew their lives are/were on the line is very good. About orang's CEO point; that's a terrible comparison. The businessmen didn't join the company knowing that frauds...etc would occur, and the CEO's definetley didn't know. Soldiers are obviously going to die, and Bush isn't sending Americans over to get killed, but to defend.

Bush wouldn't destroy records, he's not stupid (don't say he's an idiot, he's president and he beat out other people, that's gotta say something about his mental capacity). He would at least have someone else do it for him.




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