Taxpayers have become redundant

I'm trying to figure out why we Americans even pay taxes. The government just does whatever it wants anyways. Why do they need our money? They control the money supply anyways.

If money is just pencil whipped into exstance by the federal reserve why do we even bother to pay federal income tax?

It stands to reason that if they can create money out of thin air and people continue to buy into the fable then they really don't need people to pay taxes to support the federal reserve anymore. THey can just have the media tell people everything is wonderful and everything will be wonderful. It's like wonderland. If you can concieve it people will believe it. Everything is wonderful, we don't need to pay taxes anymore. Shout it from rooftops. Taxpayers have become have become redundant. Ahhhh goodtimes. Spend your money on fun stuff instead of taxes. The governmment can support itself.

Why doesn't the federal reserve just send money to the IRS to support itself. If should be an easy transaction really. Presto, bango numbers just appear out of thin air on the IRS ledger sheet.

Where did all of the money that the federal reserve print go anyways?

There must be a ton of cash in existance by now. But no one seems to have any of it. Have you seen it? I mean someone has to be hoarding it all right? Lex luther has like 10 trillion pretend dollars in his bank account yes?

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Hey lex can you spare a dime buddy?




[edit on 28-7-2009 by In nothing we trust]

brilliant! why didn't i think of that! of course we are redundant. both as taxpayers and as voters. the idea that we vote people in to represent us: ha ha ha ha ha ha they don't represent us. they represent large voting groups and special interests. we know it. so we can all stop paying taxes (like turbo tax timmy geithner) and stop voting. they can continue to do what they want and stare at tv cameras and lie, and we just putter on with our lives.. really, this is a deeply profound insight.

Originally posted by earlywatcher
... of course we are redundant. both as taxpayers and as voters.

Seriously they don't need our tax money anymore. Balanced budget what's that? They don't even pretend to operate within the boundries of reason anymore, so why should we?

Maybe it's in all of our best interests anyways. We can create a tax free utopia where everyone has all that they need. The government will provide for all of our needs and we don't even have to pay for it. Why must we operate within the confines of an impoverished world view? Let's operate from an abundance mentality instead.

I don't think that killing off the weak and the poor is working. They just keep growing in numbers.

Let's have free education, free heathcare and while were at it lets all work less hours. Who came up with the 40 hour work week anyways? Noah?

Whats wrong with everyone being better educated, healthier and having more free time anyways? I mean if the real goal is just to kill off the population and imprision the survivors let's get it on. Why waste time?

Don't we spend like 2 days a week just working to pay taxes for the government? Why not work a three day work week? We would all use less gas getting to and from work, we'd have less stress, a lower suicide, depression rate and a lower number of people who abused drugs and alcohol and we would spend more time with our families. We might even have a lower crime rate, and a lower divorce rate.




[edit on 28-7-2009 by In nothing we trust]

If I didn't go to jail for failure to pay taxes to a privately owned business... I would totally stick it to the man...

f the man...

Lol, nice post...

The only real reason we pay taxes is, quite honestly, inflation control. If the gov printed 100% of every dollar spent, the currency would inflate and bust. If only a percentage is used while current funds in the system pay the bulk of it, inflation is minimal... the gov has increased the amount being printed into the economy, and so our taxes WILL go up, substantially....

The funds that the fed created and pushed into financials will eventually be called in.. and be destroyed.

If they do it to soon .. we will see deflation ..

If they do it to late .. we see inflation ..

But don't think you'll.get out of paying taxes .. washington has a huge habit that needs funding.

Originally posted by Avarus
If I didn't go to jail for failure to pay taxes to a privately owned business... I would totally stick it to the man...

They like using extorition and blackmail to maintain power don't they?

Mafia tactics: Murder, kidnapping, extorsion, blackmail, intimidation, etc. Wars - they like to create wars. Have the gladiators fight for the amusment of the gods. I was watching the pentagon channel and they were talking about how hollywood portrays the military. They glamorize warfare in the hopes of luring people into the warrior profession. Once people become indoctrinated they are more susectible to control and easily influenced.

This civilization thing is way outta control. Everything is controlled and manipulated.

Say yes to an anarchist form of utopia, say no to taxes.



[edit on 29-7-2009 by In nothing we trust]

Our taxes have become redundant. They used to pay the interest on the Federal Reserve, while the govt was financed by fiat money. Now that our taxes are redundant we have also become redundant to them. All that money that they invested in Fema camps and gas chambers will become more relevent.

Originally posted by Rockpuck

The funds that the fed created and pushed into financials will eventually be called in.. and be destroyed.

When has a fiat reserve currency ever had a reduction in the money supply?

Originally posted by In nothing we trust
and while were at it lets all work less hours. Who came up with the 40 hour work week anyways? Noah?

just as a side note, when i was in college back in the late 60s and early 70s, there was huge discussion about how the work week would grow shorter and shorter due to all the labor saving devises coming into usage. machines were replacing people right and left. So the big worry was: how will people adjust to increasing leisure. Some experts predicted at most a 2 day work week and all the rest of the time would have to be filled with other activities. ha ha ha ha ha boy were the experts wrong. what they didn't figure out was that people can't live on 2 days pay so they have to take 2 or 3 jobs. or maybe it was something else that screwed it up. maybe it was that so very many jobs were shipped offshore. who would have expected that?

There is a way to avoid taxes. Stop spending on stuff you don't need! Every portion of every penny you pay goes to taxes.

the big picture

taxes collected are irrelevant in the scheme of things

but what the act of taxation does is what's important...

taxing someone requires them to have an income

the more people that are without work, the more trouble TPTB have controlling everyone and public opinion

regarding the 2 day workweek, it seems as if we are going 2 have one or two people working LONG weeks to support more people. it doesnt seem as if we are willing to give up the 40 hour week yet. the 40 hours give us the opportunity to "get" things we "need" house, power, internet, WATER (which i think will be hugely need, especially by cities, like infrastructure etc)

I think the key is free energy, solar panels anyone?

www.earth4energy.com...

theres a start for the home power issue. next we need cars. Anyone know of how t o turn a car into a solar machine?

Originally posted by warrenb
the more people that are without work, the more trouble TPTB have controlling everyone and public opinion

That's just wishful thinking. Controlling people through hunger should be efficient, no?

Originally posted by In nothing we trust

Originally posted by Rockpuck

The funds that the fed created and pushed into financials will eventually be called in.. and be destroyed.

When has a fiat reserve currency ever had a reduction in the money supply?

1. All currencies are "Fiat"

2. Every Reserve Currency has a "reduction".. Every year billions are destroyed and removed from circulation, hence low inflation numbers relative to massive spending -- credit expansion and equity explosions creat the massive wealth that is not represented in currency until sold.. thats the only wealth that generally never decreases.. except in 1929 and 2007.

3. "Reduction" implies money created is then withdrawn, but rarely will the currency experience an actual reduction in over all currency at any drastic level, as that indicates deflation and poor economic expansion.

Economics is hardly black and white, it takes a good deal of effort to truly understand how the system works.

Originally posted by Rockpuck


2. Every Reserve Currency has a "reduction".. Every year billions are destroyed and removed from circulation, hence low inflation numbers relative to massive spending (...)

In practical example, Joe gets his saving account statement that shows $1944, and then, three months later, the next statement shows that the balance is only $1929, coz Bernanke removed $15 of Joe's money from the circulation and fed it to the shredder to keep the inflation on the leash.

Open the window and take a deep breath . . .

Originally posted by earlywatcher

Originally posted by In nothing we trust
and while were at it lets all work less hours. Who came up with the 40 hour work week anyways? Noah?

... people can't live on 2 days pay so they have to take 2 or 3 jobs.

It really just seems like a waste of resources to work more hours for less pay. The office uses more electricity, the water cooler goes empty more often, more gas is used getting to and from your 2 or three jobs. Cars wear out faster and the roads need more frequent repair as more miles are driven to and from your 2 and 3 jobs, etc.

With more people than ever taking up space on the planet, competing for fewer and fewer resources working more hours for no particular reason doesn't seem feasible anymore.

Just having a job for the sake of staying busy doesn't seem sustainable or in anyones best interest.

Since work is becomming more scare for everyone, we should divy up what little is available to all those who are capable of doing it. If we all just do half as much work as before and give some out to those in need of work we might all be able to go home early and save the planet in the process.

Less work, no taxes.

[edit on 30-7-2009 by In nothing we trust]

reply to post by In nothing we trust


Indeed, briliant plan... except that communist utopias typically bring with it famine, poverty, more work for no pay, millions slaughtered, a tyranical government and no rights.

But hey, if you believe in some fantasy world where you can do half the work for all the pay and pay no taxes on top of that... be my guest... I find those with similar views understand little about politics and nothing about economics

Originally posted by Rockpuck

Originally posted by In nothing we trust

Originally posted by Rockpuck

The funds that the fed created and pushed into financials will eventually be called in.. and be destroyed.

When has a fiat reserve currency ever had a reduction in the money supply?

1. All currencies are "Fiat"

2. Every Reserve Currency has a "reduction".. Every year billions are destroyed and removed from circulation, hence low inflation numbers relative to massive spending -- credit expansion and equity explosions creat the massive wealth that is not represented in currency until sold.. thats the only wealth that generally never decreases.. except in 1929 and 2007.

3. "Reduction" implies money created is then withdrawn, but rarely will the currency experience an actual reduction in over all currency at any drastic level, as that indicates deflation and poor economic expansion.

Economics is hardly black and white, it takes a good deal of effort to truly understand how the system works.

I must be missing something.

Currency would just be the transport mechanism by which people lay claim to the credits that are created by the government.

People don't like giving up thier accumulated credits whatever form they may take.

Before the government destroys a dollar, someone has already claimed credit for said dollar. Only the actual currency is destroyed not the credit which has come into existance and been claimed by some unknown who exchanged it with the government.

The number of credits continue to expand, but only the percieved means by which they are exchanged is reduced.

Right now the currency has become more reliant on credit being granted, rather than paper bills or metal coins being printed or minted into existance. A reduction in credit being granted is what has caused a reduction in the money supply. THe federal reserve has attempted to fill in the hole by printing more paper currency and issuing more credit to the bigger players.

The bigger players haven't been sure that they trust that they'll get thier credits back from the smaller players, so they have been more picky about who they issue credit too.

Yes?



[edit on 30-7-2009 by In nothing we trust]

Originally posted by stander

In practical example, Joe gets his saving account statement that shows $1944, and then, three months later, the next statement shows that the balance is only $1929, coz Bernanke removed $15 of Joe's money from the circulation and fed it to the shredder to keep the inflation on the leash.

Open the window and take a deep breath . . .

You thought you almost won the war and now you realize that it's just started?

Originally posted by In nothing we trust


You thought you almost won the war and now you realize that it's just started?

We can help Bernanke to fight the inflation to come by burning some of our cashed paychecks. Actually it is a duty of every American to burn some of his or her cash -- providing Rockpuck wasn't joking when he scribbled down his point number 2. I believe that he wasn't joking -- he's got visions since the time he graduated from the Portland School of Molecular Economy.