Demonization of the Truther's Movement by the Lapdog News Media, page 1
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Topic started on 28-7-2009 @ 04:01 PM by HothSnake
The evidence is overwhelming that the news media has something to hide when it comes to September 11, 2001. The classic government propaganda tactics of ad hominem attacks, set-up by a biased panel with no actual truthers allowed anywhere near a media outlet. They always have this panel put together that calls them all names, but they never allow them on the show to defend themselves.

In the following clips Glen Beck, Geraldo Revera, Bill O' Reiley, Bill Maher, etc., take turns calling anyone that doesn't agree with the OS names, while affording them zero air time to defend themselves against such slanderous and libelous attacks by a controlled propaganda machine, run by our corporate government. Bill Maher even physically attacks a truther that was merely asking him a question? Ask yoursleves, why the blatant hostility towards indivuals (family members of the fallen) that are simply demanding some kind of investigation into these events? One desk crew calls for the internment of these truthers into European concentration camps, while on the air. This is a fact: there is no other group within our society that is treated with such visible disdain, hostility, and hatred by the so-called objective national news media. Could the media get away with treating, let's say African Americans (insert any other minority group here,) with the same blatant hatred? I do mean "hatred" just watch these clips:

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Watch the biased treatment, set-up, and erasure of a key video of building 7 in this interview of a physics professor by Tucker Carlson:

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In this clip Bill Maher attacks some truthers in his audience and Rivera shows his hatred for some tuthers that were protesting outside his studio by calling them names and flipping them off.

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Why does the news media refuse to show any footage of 9-11? Why the blackout on the so-called largest terrorist attack on US soil?

If you watch these video clips and still think that any fair analysis or investigation into the events of 9-11 has taken place by our media or its government controllers, then you're an idiot.





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reply posted on 28-7-2009 @ 10:01 PM by SPreston
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So where is the duhbunker defense of these slanderous and libelous attacks on 9-11 Truthers by a controlled government propaganda machine comprised of the Mainstream News Media?




reply posted on 28-7-2009 @ 10:07 PM by HothSnake
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That poster makes me laugh, but it also makes me sad, cause it is unfortunately so true.


reply posted on 29-7-2009 @ 09:43 AM by GoodOlDave
Originally posted by HothSnake
In the following clips Glen Beck, Geraldo Revera, Bill O' Reiley, Bill Maher, etc., take turns calling anyone that doesn't agree with the OS names, while affording them zero air time to defend themselves against such slanderous and libelous attacks by a controlled propaganda machine, run by our corporate government. Bill Maher even physically attacks a truther that was merely asking him a question? Ask yoursleves, why the blatant hostility towards indivuals (family members of the fallen) that are simply demanding some kind of investigation into these events?


You are being duplicitous with this statement.

a) You need to separate yourselves from the family members of the fallen. I fully support their request for information becuase they themselves said many times they want to know how the gov't failed in its responsibility in preventing the 9/11 attack, while YOU want to convince peopel that the attack was really an internally staged event. They are two separate things and you do not represent them.

b) You seem to overlook the fact that the conspiracy proponents are the minority. The majority of people do not subscribe to the viewpoint it was a ataged event (as witnessed by the fact that we need to come to these conspiracy boards to even find you people), so they will necessarily take umbrage at your efforts. They naturally see it as an attempt to use the deaths and suffering of other people for your own political benefit.

c) do yourself a favor- browse Youtube for "9/11 demonstrator" and you will come across a number of cases where overly zealous truthers have displayed quite dreadful behavior, specifically to people like Geraldo Rivera. One case I saw was when Rivera had a street interview with a movie star, and a bunch of truthers invaded the set behind him and began chanting truther slogans in the deliberate attempt to usurp his program and grab free airtime at his expense. Your rights end where the rights of other people begin, you know.

The problem is compounded by your inability to even agree amongst yourselves what the conspiracy actually is I.E. whether the towers were brought down by demolitions, lasers from outer space, nukes in the basement, or even whether there actually were planes and not cruise missiles or holograms. Your difficulty in getting your message out has less to do with everyone being hypnotized by any centralized propaganda campain, and more to do with the fact the 9/11 conspiracy movement is suffering from serious credibility problems.


reply posted on 29-7-2009 @ 11:44 AM by jthomas
It's always interesting to watch 9/11 Truthers try to pin the blame for their own failures on the media and the government. Lets review the facts:

1. You all have had 8 years of unfettered free speech on the Internet, in demonstrations, in all kinds of forums, to promote your claims. We've all heard them a thousand times, repeated ad nauseum.

2. Neither the government nor anyone else has prevented you from saying anything you want.

3. You have not been arrested for speaking out yet claim the government and media is out to repress you and your "questions."

4. You all claim the MSM lies yet you want them to do your bidding.

5. You assume that your "questions" are legitimate and that requires someone "has" to answer them.

6. You claim that you a want a "new" investigation but declare the government is "guilty" already without need for any investigation.

7. You claim to already "know" the truth more than you claim to have "questions."

8. You repeat the same questions for which answers have been repeatedly given for years that you don't like and are inconvenient to the "truth" you already declare to have.

9. You claim the lack of evidence for your conspiracy theories is evidence of a conspiracy.

Gosh.

I could go on. The point is that you won't admit to yourselves the real truth and have to blame others for your own failings. We've been telling you for years that you are barking up the wrong tree. But you won't listen to reason. Instead, you adopt the Bushism of "you're either with us or against us" and close your eyes why no one pays attention to your silly conspiracy theories.


reply posted on 29-7-2009 @ 02:27 PM by HothSnake
reply to post by GoodOlDave



You are being duplicitous with this statement.

a) You need to separate yourselves from the family members of the fallen. I fully support their request for information becuase they themselves said many times they want to know how the gov't failed in its responsibility in preventing the 9/11 attack, while YOU want to convince peopel that the attack was really an internally staged event. They are two separate things and you do not represent them.


First off, YOU need to seperate yourself from the famalies of the fallen. You're kind of putting words in their mouths, aren't you? All the truthers movement calls for is the same thing that many of the families of the fallen call for... A REAL investigation into 9-11, put on by unbiased and nonpartisan investigors, that:

a.)haven't been bullied by the government, slandered by news media, or threatened with losing their jobs and livlihoods for asking some relevant questions.

b.) Isn't a Warren Commissionesque hoax put on by the potential criminals behind it. I don't think that Manson should have been judge and prosecutor at his own murder trial. That's just dumb.

Also, many of the families of the fallen are infact truthers... YOU need to seperate yourself from them as well.

b) You seem to overlook the fact that the conspiracy proponents are the minority. The majority of people do not subscribe to the viewpoint it was a ataged event (as witnessed by the fact that we need to come to these conspiracy boards to even find you people), so they will necessarily take umbrage at your efforts. They naturally see it as an attempt to use the deaths and suffering of other people for your own political benefit.


YOU seem to overlook many, many facts... Such as the fact that 9-11 was the first time in the history of the world that three steel concrete reinforced buildings collapse due to fire... Note that the damage caused by the Jetliners hitting the buildings (buildings designed to withstand such an impact) has never been sighted as a reason for the collapse. The tiny little bit of damage caused by said impact could not have caused catostrophic failure throughout three skyscrapers of this type. The thought is laughable.

So then the question remains, and needs to be answered by our government to the satisfaction of those that are asking it, how did two relatively small jet fuel fires in the top floors of two giant construction-grade steel, concrete reinforced buildings, with giant steel cores spiraling up their centers, cause catostrophic failure of these two giant structures, almost simultaneously, and within nearly ten seconds, ie, freefall rate of speed? No definative study NIST, MIT, 911 Commission, has ever come close to answering that simple question. Infact, they have all contradicted themselves on every key point and issue, while failing miserably to explain anything.

The fact remains that Jet fuel fires (kerosine) cannot melt steel or weaken construction-grade steel enough to cause catostrophic failure through out the entire complexes of Towers one and two, or building 7. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure this out, and the lengths to which the government has to go in order to perpetuate this lie is ridiculous. They even went so far as to blackout any footage of those buildings collapsing on our major media outlets in order that you would not notice how odd these collapses looked. Like Dan Rather said, it looked like a demolition.


reply posted on 29-7-2009 @ 02:46 PM by HothSnake
reply to post by GoodOlDave


c) do yourself a favor- browse Youtube for "9/11 demonstrator" and you will come across a number of cases where overly zealous truthers have displayed quite dreadful behavior, specifically to people like Geraldo Rivera. One case I saw was when Rivera had a street interview with a movie star, and a bunch of truthers invaded the set behind him and began chanting truther slogans in the deliberate attempt to usurp his program and grab free airtime at his expense. Your rights end where the rights of other people begin, you know.


Browse youtube for anything and you will find the more extreme elements of just about anything. I'm sure that there is a crazy right-wing elements to the dog grooming industry as well. They dress up in Nazi regala and salute Hitler before every dog show. According to your logical fallacy, that must mean that all dog groomers should be ignored and are by your own fiat wrong. This is typical propaganda demonization fanfaire put on by government outlets that are trying to silence their enemies. The difference between the Nazis, Soviets, and the US is that people in the US accept their slavery without realizing that they are being propagandized into doing so. The Soviets often were jealous of the American propaganda network... it seemed much more efficient than their own. Where did you aquire your Nazi propaganda textbook?

The case was probably reversed. If you were called a freak, an idiot, and flipped off by someone, wouldn't you show a little hostility. Sorry bud, I don't see anything going on in the background that I haven't seen any other demonstrators do. All of the hostility seems to be coming from within the studio. Come on, get real... what other group of protestors are treated this badly for no apparent reason?

The problem is compounded by your inability to even agree amongst yourselves what the conspiracy actually is I.E. whether the towers were brought down by demolitions, lasers from outer space, nukes in the basement, or even whether there actually were planes and not cruise missiles or holograms. Your difficulty in getting your message out has less to do with everyone being hypnotized by any centralized propaganda campain, and more to do with the fact the 9/11 conspiracy movement is suffering from serious credibility problems.


Straw Man! There is no disagreement. We all agree that the official story is beyond rediculous, that three skyscrapers did not collapse due to fire for the first time in history, and that all of our national defenses did not just stand down for no reason on that day. There may be different theories going around about what actually did happen (some are better than others,) but we all agree that the OS is just plain stupid. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.

What credibility? We don't have government-paid hacks running around spouting the OS BS? It is very hard going against official government propaganda. They do have vast resources with which to use against us. Afterall, they do steal more money than anyone else.


reply posted on 29-7-2009 @ 03:05 PM by Hazelnut
Originally posted by jthomas
It's always interesting to watch 9/11 Truthers try to pin the blame for their own failures on the media and the government. Lets review the facts:

1. You all have had 8 years of unfettered free speech on the Internet, in demonstrations, in all kinds of forums, to promote your claims. We've all heard them a thousand times, repeated ad nauseum.

2. Neither the government nor anyone else has prevented you from saying anything you want.

3. You have not been arrested for speaking out yet claim the government and media is out to repress you and your "questions."

4. You all claim the MSM lies yet you want them to do your bidding.

5. You assume that your "questions" are legitimate and that requires someone "has" to answer them.

6. You claim that you a want a "new" investigation but declare the government is "guilty" already without need for any investigation.

7. You claim to already "know" the truth more than you claim to have "questions."

8. You repeat the same questions for which answers have been repeatedly given for years that you don't like and are inconvenient to the "truth" you already declare to have.

9. You claim the lack of evidence for your conspiracy theories is evidence of a conspiracy.

Gosh.

I could go on. The point is that you won't admit to yourselves the real truth and have to blame others for your own failings. We've been telling you for years that you are barking up the wrong tree. But you won't listen to reason. Instead, you adopt the Bushism of "you're either with us or against us" and close your eyes why no one pays attention to your silly conspiracy theories.



1. What have you heard ad nauseum?

2. Deflected would be a better term than prevented.

3. Government and media employ the ridicule tactic.

4. The bidding I require is "investigative journalism" not WH talking points.

5. I assume my questions are legitimate. Duty would dictate answering said legitimate questions.

6. An impartial investigation would be in order. Non government would be best.

7. Reviewing policy implemented since 9/11 would reasonably indicate ulterior motives for the case of national security measures, foreign policy and the infringment on constitutionally guaranteed rights

8. That one didn't make sense A-Tall

9. See #8

Slinging insults is as old and tiring as a bully on the playground. Actually you hurt your own cause by your own lack of knowledge.

I personally didn't know there was a conspiracy theory about 9/11 until a year ago. My own questions prompted me to look for information. What a surprise to find out my suspicions were not a unique event.


reply posted on 29-7-2009 @ 03:40 PM by GoodOlDave
Originally posted by HothSnake
Browse youtube for anything and you will find the more extreme elements of just about anything. I'm sure that there is a crazy right-wing elements to the dog grooming industry as well. They dress up in Nazi regala and salute Hitler before every dog show. According to your logical fallacy, that must mean that all dog groomers should be ignored and are by your own fiat wrong.


So you are admitting there are extremist elements within your movement who are making the credibility of the mainstream conspiracy proponent population suffer? Thank you, now we're getting somewhere.

This is typical propaganda demonization fanfaire put on by government outlets that are trying to silence their enemies. The difference between the Nazis, Soviets, and the US is that people in the US accept their slavery without realizing that they are being propagandized into doing so.


I agree that the mainstream media is far from balanced, and in that context I suppose I can see your rationale for the claim it's tantamount to enslavement. However, after seeing the outright rubbish being put out by the 9/11 conspiracy movement (lasers from outer space, holograms of airplanes, cruise missiles, etc), it's clear that some people are more enslaved than others.

All of the hostility seems to be coming from within the studio. Come on, get real... what other group of protestors are treated this badly for no apparent reason?


I daresay that if there really were any Nazi dog groomers out there, they certainly would be treaded this badly.


Straw Man! There is no disagreement.


Then please explain to me why over on the Loose Change site's discussion board they specifically forbid posters from posting no-plane conspiracy theories. Anyone who posts no-plane material gets immediately banned. Go over and take a look at their board and you'll see this for yourself.

It certainly sounds like there's significant disagreement among the conspiracy proponent factions, to me. What does it sound like, to you?


reply posted on 29-7-2009 @ 03:43 PM by jthomas
Originally posted by Hazelnut
Originally posted by jthomas
It's always interesting to watch 9/11 Truthers try to pin the blame for their own failures on the media and the government. Lets review the facts:

1. You all have had 8 years of unfettered free speech on the Internet, in demonstrations, in all kinds of forums, to promote your claims. We've all heard them a thousand times, repeated ad nauseum.

2. Neither the government nor anyone else has prevented you from saying anything you want.

3. You have not been arrested for speaking out yet claim the government and media is out to repress you and your "questions."

4. You all claim the MSM lies yet you want them to do your bidding.

5. You assume that your "questions" are legitimate and that requires someone "has" to answer them.

6. You claim that you a want a "new" investigation but declare the government is "guilty" already without need for any investigation.

7. You claim to already "know" the truth more than you claim to have "questions."

8. You repeat the same questions for which answers have been repeatedly given for years that you don't like and are inconvenient to the "truth" you already declare to have.

9. You claim the lack of evidence for your conspiracy theories is evidence of a conspiracy.

Gosh.

I could go on. The point is that you won't admit to yourselves the real truth and have to blame others for your own failings. We've been telling you for years that you are barking up the wrong tree. But you won't listen to reason. Instead, you adopt the Bushism of "you're either with us or against us" and close your eyes why no one pays attention to your silly conspiracy theories.



1. What have you heard ad nauseum?


Are you a newbie at this? Where have you been?

2. Deflected would be a better term than prevented.


You are a newbie

3. Government and media employ the ridicule tactic.


Pay attention. 9/11 Truth IS ridiculous. You get what you earned. Moon-landing deniers, round-earth deniers, Creationists, and Holocaust Deniers are ALL ridiculed for the same reason as 9/11 Deniers.

4. The bidding I require is "investigative journalism" not WH talking points.


Read #4 again. Get back to me when you understand it.

5. I assume my questions are legitimate.


Why? On what basis? Just because you ask them?

Duty would dictate answering said legitimate questions.
Duty by whom and to whom? By what right do you claim that anyone has to answer your questions?

6. An impartial investigation would be in order. Non government would be best.


There has to be a rational basis and reason for any investigation. Truthers have declared publicly that "an investigation" is for the purpose of "convicting and hanging the government perpetrators."

7. Reviewing policy implemented since 9/11 would reasonably indicate ulterior motives for the case of national security measures, foreign policy and the infringment on constitutionally guaranteed rights.


So you agree that an investigation is not needed since you've already convicted the "perpetrators" Nice of you to contradict yourself.

8. That one didn't make sense A-Tall

9. See #8


You really are a newbie.

Slinging insults is as old and tiring as a bully on the playground. Actually you hurt your own cause by your own lack of knowledge.


I am far more knowledgeable about the 9/11 truth Movement than you, my friend. Those aren't insults. Those are the very descriptions of the confused, irrational, conspiracy-minded, 9/11 Truthers that have been on this and other forums for years.

I personally didn't know there was a conspiracy theory about 9/11 until a year ago. My own questions prompted me to look for information. What a surprise to find out my suspicions were not a unique event.


Thanks for the admission that you are a newbie. What a surprise. You have a lot to learn about your "suspicions" and why 9/11 "Truth" is anything but.

Gosh.


reply posted on 29-7-2009 @ 03:45 PM by Hazelnut
reply to post by jthomas


Sorry, no points for you. Boo hoo. I'm a newbie - what is a newbie? Care to enlighten me? My opinions, thoughts and ideas are valid. Aren't yours?

Edit: I see your foe list is quite impressive. Can I be on it too? Pardon my newbieness if this request is childish and unfounded. TY

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reply posted on 29-7-2009 @ 03:48 PM by HothSnake
reply to post by jthomas


It's always interesting to watch 9/11 Truthers try to pin the blame for their own failures on the media and the government. Lets review the facts


Where else would we lay blame? Where it doesn't belong? You don't have to be a rocket scientist to see that the government was behind 9-11 and not some rag head in a gave on his dialysis machine. Who else controls the media? Haven't you ever noticed that they are all in lockstep conformity? They all seem to have the same talking points... I wonder who writes them?

1. You all have had 8 years of unfettered free speech on the Internet, in demonstrations, in all kinds of forums, to promote your claims. We've all heard them a thousand times, repeated ad nauseum.


And yet you Official Storyers still just don't seem to get it. Are you all just that dense, or to you work for the government, or just drink government coolaid. What flavor is government coolaid: grape, cherry, etc,?

Unfettered? Are you on crack? We are ridiculed on a daily basis by the propaganda arm of our government, known as the news media, television, and movies. We don't have a trillion dollars, run the institutions of lower learning, and have a propaganda machine called the news media to beat our version of events into the publics brain. The internet requires some intelligence and effort. People today have been sufficiently dumbed down by their government schooling, news media, movies, flouridated water, etc., that they can't handle anything unless it is spoonfed them by their all knowing government institutions. To actually question things for youself, or to actually call into question the government, is sacrilege. It's like Galileo trying to tell us that the world is actually round. The establishment media, government controlled institutions just won't go along with it, and the official government educators either back the official government story or they lose their jobs. And you think that the truth will get out under such circumstances?

2. Neither the government nor anyone else has prevented you from saying anything you want.


Yes, they have.... when was the last time you saw any of these people treated with any kind of respect on t.v., or for that matter afforded any kind of air time? That's because there is a blackout on these topics. If you do get some air time, then you are treated a conspiracy kook and your career is sufficiently destroyed (Rosey O' Donnel.) Who can go against the machine? There's no profit in the Truther's movement, only ridicule and destition. That's why only the very courageous even go near it. It takes nothing to back the government, infact, you are quite well taken care of by doing so. The biggest cowards in the world are debunkers.

3. You have not been arrested for speaking out yet claim the government and media is out to repress you and your "questions."


They don't have to when they own the media and everything else. You would have to be an idiot, or just terribly brave to go against the government machine. If they don't get you fired and ruin your career by slandering you on national television or demanding that whatever government funded institution that you work for fire you, then they'll send the IRS after you. Either way, you're dead. It hasn't happened yet, but I'm sure that FEMA is erecting a special camp just for us.

4. You all claim the MSM lies yet you want them to do your bidding


Nah, just want to do their reported jobs and investigate something other than government mandated talking points. Isn't the media supposed to check our government and not work for them. Isn't the First Amendment there to make sure that our government doesn't unduely influence the news media? Anything else is reminiscent of the Nazis.


reply posted on 29-7-2009 @ 03:56 PM by dariousg
Originally posted by GoodOlDave
You are being duplicitous with this statement.

a) You need to separate yourselves from the family members of the fallen. I fully support their request for information becuase they themselves said many times they want to know how the gov't failed in its responsibility in preventing the 9/11 attack, while YOU want to convince peopel that the attack was really an internally staged event. They are two separate things and you do not represent them.



You see, this is an erroneous statement made again by you Dave. You, as well as virtually ALL other debunker/skeptics on this topic like to do as much misleading as many of you claim the 'truthers' do. You simply ASSUME that we all 100% believe that we think it was an 'internally' staged event. That is not what we all believe. It's what we may feel took place because of all of the whitewashing and misdirection that has taken place since but it is NOT what many of us believe.

What the bulk majority of the truth movement want is a completely unbiased investigation with ALL OF THE EVIDENCE Made available. Period. Yet we have already been told that that evidence will NOT be made available due to national security. What BS is that?

Because I fully believe that not one thing, event, piece of evidence from that fateful day should be classified in any way shape or form. It's our right to have EVERYTHING made readily available for us to read through. Period. What has happened instead is that certain administrations created laws that would protect them from anyone seeing any evidence that they deemed high priority classified due to national security implications. That's why many of us believe that some faction within the government had their hands well in the schemes that preceded and took place on that day 8 years ago.

So, please stop lumping us all into groups that are not quite accurate. We may feel that it was pulled off internally or not. What we truly want is a legitimate, unbiased and unhindered investigation. Period.


reply posted on 29-7-2009 @ 04:13 PM by HothSnake
reply to post by jthomas


5. You assume that your "questions" are legitimate and that requires someone "has" to answer them.


We assume that our eyes can see, that our brains can think, and that we are free humanbeings with a government that supposedly works for us, and makes its parasitic living off of us. We demand that they explain sufficiently what said eyes and brain have seen and still don't understand.

6. You claim that you a want a "new" investigation but declare the government is "guilty" already without need for any investigation.


We declare that there needs to be an investigation of our government based on the prima facie evidence and the subsuquent cover instituted by its lapdog media and other tools of societal control.

7. You claim to already "know" the truth more than you claim to have "questions."


I think that you are a bit confused on this one bubba... Are you sure that you weren't looking in a mirror when you posted this one?

8. You repeat the same questions for which answers have been repeatedly given for years that you don't like and are inconvenient to the "truth" you already declare to have.


We repeat questions to which we do not recieve answers. Usually, we are called names, but rarely do we recieve an answer, and when we do, it is always insufficient, based on false assumption, falty reports, ignores any real evidence, or cites the government says so. Most people ask questions based on a premise in order to prove that premise, or to at least get the otherside to question it themselves. This is nothing new, and is on both sides of the argument. The difference lies in the evidence that backs said questions. The debunkers have no evidence, thus they rely upon falty government reports or ad hominem attacks to win their BS points. The truth is usually found on the side that isn't calling names.

9. You claim the lack of evidence for your conspiracy theories is evidence of a conspiracy.


What da hell is that supposed to mean? If you are talking about the overwhelming proof of a coverup, including a Warren Commissionesque hoax of a Congressional hearing, then yeah, that's pretty good evidence. The lack of evidence is on your side of the aisle. All you need are a pair of eyes, which is the best evidence you can have on our side.

I could go on. The point is that you won't admit to yourselves the real truth and have to blame others for your own failings. We've been telling you for years that you are barking up the wrong tree. But you won't listen to reason. Instead, you adopt the Bushism of "you're either with us or against us" and close your eyes why no one pays attention to your silly conspiracy theories.


That's a great straw man there buddy... Again, were you looking in the mirror when you wrote that?


reply posted on 29-7-2009 @ 04:21 PM by Fitzgibbon
reply to post by HothSnake


The bottom line is that you guys are coming up on the eighth anniversary of the event while still complaining that 'something just isn't right'. If something really wasn't right, don't you think that the public with something more than a high school education would've risen up and joined you in your righteous crusade?
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