I vote we keep this thread alive forever.

Very well-worded and presented. Starred. Flagged. Encased in gold leaf.

I hold back ocean's of anger and hostility at the NewAge Nutbars, MarsFreaks, UltraSkeptics, and AnythingIntheSkyMustBe-A-UFO'ers on a daily basis. They're truly lower life forms that must be eradicated, not because they are ignorant, but because they continually refuse to present a rational argument, or educate themselves enough and look at both sides of an issue. They clog up our boards and suck the value out of visiting this site... like an infesting virus.

I won't name any names but by now, you know me, and YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE.

The Vaccine has been administered, and you will soon be eliminated.

BWA-AH-AH-AH- (reverby evil villian laugh)




[edit on 29-7-2009 by NightVision]

Alright, since I believe in this "doctrine" I have put forth I guess it is only proper if I make an official confession(hopefully others will follow and see that it is no big deal to admit you were wrong and change )

I have been too self driven (personally) lately, wanting what I WANT for ufology and thus this board. I have not kept in mind that this is EVERYONES, lol not just mine, regardless of my intentions this is WRONG. Even though I have not done anything publically to show this, I am still guilty by letting those thoughts propagate. Why am I saying this?

Because everyone needs to be accountable, even the best intentions can make things worse. If one lets none relevant thoughts, feelings, and actions get in the way of one directive then in reality they are hurting that very directive.

One more thing....

Some people are just here to "chat", while others are here to help find the truth...Which one are you?

I have said this because I would like this to be an example for all.

[edit on 7/29/2009 by jkrog08]

First of all I am happy to see that ATS and especially the UFO forum is evolving.
I think I watched jkrog08 from his very first posts until now and I am glad to see he is becoming a great contributing member.
I believe this is happening because he chose to listen the oldest more experienced members in ATS who have really dedicated lots of time and effort and unfortunately for some, they belong to the skeptic side. There is of course a bad and a good side of skeptics. Fortunately these to which I am referring to are the kind of skeptics who do their homework before contributing their experience in threads.

The UFO phenomenon is a very difficult subject. This probably happens because it probably involves things beyond our current comprehension. Mainly for many of the riddles to be solved surrounding this phenomenon responsible are not the right answers probably, but the right questions. I have observed time and time again that many people who feel they should belong on the "non skeptic" side always behave like they have some kind of an answer that should prevail over all skepticism and valid research, above all hypothesis and research material that any UFO case can yield. It is not entirely their fault though because the powers that be probably do not want us informed, do not want us asking questions, do not want us looking for answers. While they beg to make a difference and I believe I can share their anxieties and hopes, they might be falling to the traps that are being laid out for them.

We all should be asking questions regarding this elusive phenomenon know as the UFOs and not just jump at the first opportunity to provide answers else there is only confusion.

There might be a very promising field of research to hard science and mainly for the social sciences on why this phenomenon is so much elusive. Regarding the valid and identified cases of UFO contact, If we accept that other civilizations might exist and probably some do visit us, it is of utmost importance for us to find the observed behavioral patterns and categorize them in order for them to be analyzed for a valid hypothesis to be produced. This is where our current levels of comprehension are lacking. It might be that we just see situations where things are becoming elusive for a purpose.

Despite all the numerous publications all those years of people and institutions that became rich exploiting peoples needs for answers, the reality is that we still do not understand the greater picture, hence we need to ask questions instead of making things up and chasing around imaginary answers.

The RIGHT QUESTIONS need to be put on the table for us to start making some progress regarding the UFO phenomenon. maybe we have not evolved yet in order to get an idea of what we should be asking and why, but we are slowly getting there and that is thanks to people who inspire the newer generations of researchers with their hard work, detailed analysis and general positive contribution.

[edit on 30-7-2009 by spacebot]

Addition:

Consider The Pros and Cons of Starting A Thread Out of Emotions

Is what you have to write really worth starting a whole new thread? Is it just 1,2, or 3 sentences of childish-like remarks? You probably should NOT post the thread in that case, as it does nothing but detract from any real research and learning. I understand that the UFO field can be very annoying at times, however one must look at the benefits of cluttering an already cluttered forum. There are countless other ways to go about expressing your frustration, here are a few:

1. Just don't say anything at all out of frustration, sit back, relax, and chill out. Everything will be okay in the long run.

2. Find a already existing thread to post your comment(of course make sure it is somewhat relative to the topic at hand), instead of making a whole new thread for a simple remark.

3. If you feel it is absolutely nessicary to start a thread, at least make it some what mature and intelligent. This would be an example of what you should NOT do:

OP: " I am sick of UFOs because there is no evidence of them, these aliens need to show themselves or just leave us alone!!!!"

Now honestly, what purpose is there to creating a whole thread just to say that?

What you could do is maybe try to start a discussion for members who are just as frustrated as you are, but maybe not post it in the UFO forum. Also maybe you could give detailed reasons behind your statement, as well as your own plan on what should be done to fix it. This will ALWAYS lead to a much more intelligent discussion that while still maybe not the most important of topics, it surely won't hurt anything.

Again, I am only trying to offer some friendly advice from experience.

I have been guilty of creating a thread I maybe should have thought out better because I was letting my emotions take over. We are human so it happens, hopefully though some will keep this post in mind and save themselves from the same trap others and myself have fallen into before.

I really like mmiichael's and jkrog08's views too.

mckyle, if you feel a sense of defeat just remember that we live in a society that is enamored with the need of instant gratification and plagued with a short attention span. You just have fallen ill of this disease as me or as anyone else has.

I too I can remember since I was a kid about reading scientific literature, magazines, books etc especially about space exploration and anything relevant, remember reading respected scientists that for the attention or for the money or both had me believe that past the year 2000 we would be functioning as a fully fledged space fairing civilization.
Guess what. I'm still waiting. Did I feel disheartened at some time? Sure did.
I even remember that the reference of the number 2000 was the mark of our new space era. Everything had the number 2000 or a reference to it as being a mark of the future. Especially gadgetry From simple electric appliances to car models. Probably all those people who "invented" this trick or whomever participated in that trend if you told them about the possibility like a medium to exist some day such as the internet they would probably tell you that you must be crazy and that thing would never happen..


In a collective level we surely are not ready to advance at our final frontier. Imagine we have to meet societies that not only do not have short attention span as we do, or plagued by the need of instant gratification but instead having the ability of putting up long term goals that would require up to 2 3 or even 5 centuries in to the future for their completion. We simply do not function like that. We certainly lack at certain terms as species but we excel in other things. We might be slow for centuries then make leaps and bounds in matters of decades. It's just how we are. A good thing for us is that we don't require our reality to be flawless and smooth for us to make advances, it is at the hard times that we seem we prevail.
Certainly there might be a spot for us that we can fit somewhere out there, along with others of different kinds. Reality is unpredictable and nobody knows what is stored for us or even others in the future.
Real progress will come when the essence of our questions will be more attuned with the nature of the enigmas we are trying to solve. Have patience.


Even if we seem we are back stepping at times, there is progress. Every time we have to look back and see what kind of progress have we made at several other sectors. I really believe that an ET presence, no matter how exciting, it will not happen. It is not the right way. We will find them by ourselves probably.

Why be sad and disheartened? Anything you contribute is probably for someone else some valuable research matter or food for thought, a small stepping stone that even might guide him to even get inspiration to solve the most puzzling riddles we are facing. It does not matter how long will it take as long as as many brains as possible are working at it, it will eventually happen.

jkrog08, since I am reading ATS and especially the UFO forum that fills a great part of my entertaining time and since I enjoy very much cases being analyzed by the experts on this board and since I don't really have time to contribute anything valuable to the ATS I can only post something nice or think out loud about things I observe and only help this team of experts become bigger by encourage newer members who seem they got the right talent for it.

That's all

[edit on 30-7-2009 by spacebot]

[edit on 30-7-2009 by spacebot]

Just to expand a little on my previous comments:

It's not so much the arrival or non-arrival of ET that disheartens me. Of course I would love to see ET - so long as he wasn't a carbon copy of that unfriendly ET from the Alan Dean Foster novels (the book was turned into the movie "Alien")

What disheartens me is the fact that most of the hard work done by dedicated researches not only faces ridicule and derision from those outside Ufology, but sadly from within.

The majority of true-believers don't have the faintest idea about what constitutes solid research!!! Nor do they care. Even some of the more senior members here on ATS can't - or don't want to - differentiate between blind acceptance and critical analysis.

So that's where my current disposition stems from. I see some damn good researchers put in a hell of a lot of effort and quality analysis - such as Jkrog, Internos, et al, but it goes unappreciated by most. I think the most galling thing I witness at times is when some idiots turn around and collectively accuse these guys as being skeptics, because they wont accept a bogus CGI video as legitimate.

With such a collective mindset, I am less than optimistic about Ufology ever becoming accepted as a mainstream sub-discipline of science.

That's the most disheartening thing for me. It's like feeding truffles to pigs. If you'll pardon my crude analogy.

Matt