News From the West Bank!

News From the West Bank!

onthescene.blogs.foxnews.com

A stout wind was blowing across the high ground in the West Bank as we watched a group of teenagers attempt to give birth to another Israeli settlement. They had a few pieces of particle board, studs, a finishing hammer and nails that didn’t look long enough to hold a shack together in this wind. These are the kids often referred to as the ‘hilltop youth.’ Dedicated young Jews who call the West Bank Judea and Sumaria and believe that God promised the land to them and therefore they are obligated to claim every inch of it. This, despite the fact that the international community conside

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Well for those of you not up to date with the current happenings in Israel, July 30, 2009 on the Hebrew calendar is 9 AV. Looks like these people are laying the foundation for Solomons Temple. Historically 9 AV marks both the construction and destruction of the temple, many also believe it marks the second coming of the messiah.

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Tisha B'Av, the Fast of the Ninth of Av, is a day of mourning to commemorate the many tragedies that have befallen the Jewish people, many of which coincidentally have occurred on the ninth of Av.

Tisha B'Av means "the ninth (day) of Av." It usually occurs during August.

Tisha B'Av primarily commemorates the destruction of the first and second Temples, both of which were destroyed on the ninth of Av (the first by the Babylonians in 586 B.C.E.; the second by the Romans in 70 C.E.).

Although this holiday is primarily meant to commemorate the destruction of the Temple, it is appropriate to consider on this day the many other tragedies of the Jewish people, many of which occurred on this day, most notably the expulsion of the Jews from Spain in 1492.

Tisha B'Av is the culmination of a three week period of increasing mourning, beginning with the fast of the 17th of Tammuz, which commemorates the first breach in the walls of Jerusalem, before the First Temple was destroyed. During this three week period, weddings and other parties are not permitted, and people refrain from cutting their hair. From the first to the ninth of Av, it is customary to refrain from eating meat or drinking wine (except on the Sabbath) and from wearing new clothing.

The restrictions on Tisha B'Av are similar to those on Yom Kippur: to refrain from eating and drinking (even water); washing, bathing, shaving or wearing cosmetics; wearing leather shoes; and engaging in sexual relations. Work in the ordinary sense of the word is also restricted. People who are ill need not fast on this day. Many of the traditional mourning practices are observed: people refrain from smiles, laughter and idle conversation, and sit on low stools.

In synagogue, the book of Lamentations is read and mourning prayers are recited. The ark (cabinet where the Torah is kept) is draped in black.

List of Dates

Tisha B'Av will occur on the following days on the American calendar:

July 24, 2007 (Jewish Year 5767)
August 10, 2008 (Jewish Year 5768)
July 30, 2009 (Jewish Year 5769)
July 20, 2010 (Jewish Year 5770)
August 9, 2011 (Jewish Year 5771)

en.wikipedia.org...'Av

Tisha B'Av (help·info) (Hebrew: תשעה באב‎ or ט׳ באב, "the Ninth of Av,") is an annual fast day in Judaism, named for the ninth day (Tisha) of the month of Av in the Hebrew calendar. The fast commemorates the destruction of the First and Second Temples in Jerusalem, which occurred about 656 years apart, but on the same date.[1] Accordingly, the day has been called the "saddest day in Jewish history".[2]
Tisha B'Av falls in July or August in the Gregorian calendar. When the ninth of Av falls on Shabbat, the observance is pushed off until Sunday the tenth (although that day is still referred to as Tish`ah be-Av). According to the Mishnah (Taanit 4:6), the day commemorates five events: the destruction of the Temples, the return of the twelve scouts sent by Moses to observe the land of Canaan, the razing of Jerusalem following the siege of Jerusalem in 70 CE, and the failure of Bar Kokhba's revolt against the Roman Empire.
The Tisha B'Av fast lasts about 25 hours, beginning at sunset on the eve of Tisha B'Av and ending at nightfall the next day. In addition to the prohibitions against eating or drinking, observant Jews also observe prohibitions against washing or bathing, applying creams or oils, wearing leather shoes, or having sexual relations. In addition, mourning customs similar to those applicable to the shiva period immediately following the death of a close relative are traditionally followed for at least part of the day, including sitting on low stools, refraining from work, and not greeting others.
The Book of Lamentations is traditionally read, followed by a series of liturgical lamentations called Kinnot. In Sephardic communities, it is also customary to read the Book of Job.

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....and now this breaking news!!!!

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Israel to allow cement into Gaza for first time since war

JERUSALEM — Israel will allow a one-time transfer of cement into Gaza for the first time since its war in the Hamas-ruled enclave and amid a new US peace push in the region, officials said on Wednesday.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defence Minister Ehud Barak okayed the transfer of more than 310 tonnes of cement for rebuilding a flour mill, a sewage treatment facility and the British cemetery, one defence official said.
The one-off consignment will also include some steel and is expected to be transferred "in the coming weeks," he said

A Flour mill and sewage treament huh? Sure it is. Thats a lot of concrete. They wouldn't happen to be LYING would they? No.

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Just a few questions.....

One, Isn't solemn’s temple under the muslim mosque (dome of the rock)???

Would it not need to be removed to access the land where the first (two?) Jewish temples were built.???
(First one built and torn down rebuilt on same spot only to be torn down again.)

Allowing cement into Gaza will mean that their weapons tunnels will be reinforced.

Originally posted by mrmonsoon
Allowing cement into Gaza will mean that their weapons tunnels will be reinforced.

uh, if they have a tunnel through which they can smuggle weapons, they have a tunnel through which they can smuggle cement with which to prop up said tunnel.

maybe, just maybe, they'll build a flour mill and a sewage plant so they can have bread and water in their concentration camp...i mean getto...i mean designated palestinian occupied zone.

and OP, no, this isn't solomons temple, this is another invasive illegal settlement, just the same as every other invasive illegal settlement built by crazy people who believe god has called them to grab every inch of the holy land for their people.

I mean the thing is, if god did promise these people their land then surely it belongs to them? Its in the bible and everything, not sure which version, but it does say somewhere in one of the many incarnations on a page.
Who am I to argue with God's word? I just want to know what are Gods intentions for those Palestinians hauled up in the Ghetto?

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apparantly, according to the blog "a dedicated settler will usually tell you that God will solve that problem." dunno, turn them to pillars of salt maybe.

reply to post by mrmonsoon


No, it is not the dome of the rock. The actual site is the site of the temple mount, which is right next to the dome of the rock.

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
I mean the thing is, if god did promise these people their land then surely it belongs to them? Its in the bible and everything, not sure which version, but it does say somewhere in one of the many incarnations on a page.
Who am I to argue with God's word?

Then shouldn't they leave it to God to sort it out instead of intefering themselves, I mean, if God did really want the Jews to have the land surely he would have done something by now to give them the land ?

reply to post by pieman

and OP, no, this isn't solomons temple, this is another invasive illegal settlement, just the same as every other invasive illegal settlement built by crazy people who believe god has called them to grab every inch of the holy land for their people.

I am not saying that the cement is intended for solomons temple or if it is not for that matter. The point being "Israel" oh we'll just make an acception just once. The law itself is questionable, but I think it is funny how the media tells us such vague things about Israel and it's covert occupation since WWII.

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I would like to believe what you say would happen, but we all know much better.

Tt will be used to reinforce weapom smuggleing tunnles as well as make reinforced bomb/rocket making facilities.

Should it be used for other things, YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Will it be used for other things, NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by mrmonsoon
Tt will be used to reinforce weapom smuggleing tunnles as well as make reinforced bomb/rocket making facilities.

Should it be used for other things, YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Will it be used for other things, NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

how big do you think the tunnels are? don't you think that isreal will monitor the use? why on earth do you think it will be used to build tunnels? where are you getting your ideas?

reply to post by mrmonsoon

Should it be used for other things, YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Will it be used for other things, NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I suspect we won't know one way or the other until after the fact.

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Why do I think so.....

There have been "plenty" of posts on the smuggling tunnles the hamas dig.

There has been equally as much about Isreals bombing of the weapon smuggling tunnles.

It is only logical to see they would use it for that as well as weapon factories that were distroyed.

If it makes you feel any better, I truely hope I am wrong.

I am not, but hold on to the hope.

I hope Israel has sent an escort in to make sure they get to the correct locations. The article does mention that they were trying to find a way to make sure it gets to its destination.

10 tonnes of cement for rebuilding a flour mill, a sewage treatment facility and the British cemetery

I can understand the first two uses but why a cemetery. I'm from the UK so this intrigues me. At least Israel honours our dead by rebuilding it but isn't there more important priorities such as rebuilding homes for the living that were destroyed in the more recent wars.

OK here's a bit more about the cement.
online.wsj.com...

FRANKFURT (Dow Jones)--Germany's HeidelbergCement AG (HEI.XE) said Thursday it is selling its operations in Israel in a deal worth about EUR120 million to Mashav Initiating and Development Ltd.

MAIN FACTS:

-The company operates ready-mixed concrete, aggregates and asphalt production sites in Israel.

-Mashav Initiating and Development is a part of CLAL Industries and Investments Ltd, belonging to IDB Group of Israel.

-The proceeds from the disposal will contribute to HeidelbergCement's deleveraging and debt reduction.

-HeidelbergCement will continue to focus on its divestment programme of non-stategic business units to reduce debt.

-The deal is subject to the approval of the cartel authority.

-Closure is expected to take place before the end of 2009.

More on settlements
jeffreygoldberg.theatlantic.com...

Well, the government of Israel today is facing a similar crisis. The building of new "illegal" outposts by West Bank settlers -- building accompanied by racist slurs directed at Israel's main benefactor, the President of the United States -- is a direct challenge to the legitimacy of Israel's democratically-elected government. If these outposts are allowed to stand, it will mean that the government of Israel is incapable of enforcing its own laws, or unwilling to do so. Israel and the United States demanded of the Palestinian Authority that it jail those who defied Palestinian law and threatened the Palestinian national cause. Israel should treat these settlers in the same manner. They are criminals who undermining the sovereignty of the Jewish state. If they are not stopped, then we might as well face the harsh truth, that the settlers are in open revolt against the government of the State of Israel, and that their fanaticism may destroy the 2,000-year-old dream of Jewish independence.

OK so finally we have one more articale about the cement and the role of the US Government.

features.csmonitor.com...

Israel loosens Gaza blockade to allow rebuilding
Construction materials had been banned out of fear that Hamas would use them to make missiles or reinforce tunnels used for smuggling weapons.

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Fruit of visits with Obama’s team?

The announcement that Israel would allow the cement to be admitted to Gaza coincided with the visits to Israel by US National Security Adviser James Jones, US Defense Secretary Robert Gates, and US Mideast envoy George Mitchell.

The transfer of the materials comes as part of a larger plan formulated by the UN envoy to the Middle East, Robert Serry, who had submitted to Israel a list of 10 UN-sponsored construction projects in Gaza. To try to diminish the likelihood of the materials being used for anything other than humanitarian projects, the cement will be transferred through the United Nations Refugee Works Agency (UNRWA), which serves Palestinian refugees. Among the construction projects that will receive priority are reconstruction of Gaza’s largest flour mill and a sewage treatment plant.

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Graet idea, now how long before we heart of how many ronn's missing or flatout stolen by Hamas???

This is the same old story of any and all aid sent to Gaza.

This is the same exact thing that Kim of N.K. does whenever anyone is stupid enough to send aid to his people, it goes to the military and thats all.

Originally posted by Discotech

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
I mean the thing is, if god did promise these people their land then surely it belongs to them? Its in the bible and everything, not sure which version, but it does say somewhere in one of the many incarnations on a page.
Who am I to argue with God's word?

Then shouldn't they leave it to God to sort it out instead of intefering themselves, I mean, if God did really want the Jews to have the land surely he would have done something by now to give them the land ?

God moves in mysterious ways, so I've heard. maybe the all loving god just dosn't love the Palestinian women and children with the same affection as his chosen ones, so God sits there watching Palestinians starve in a ghetto pondering the best way to save his chosen ones. God isn't very nice is he?

reply to post by mrmonsoon


Yeah, I have a question though. It seems like the UN wants this to happen more than Israel. What are your thoughts, is the US switching roles in wake of the Obama Presidency?

reply to post by 12.21.12


You mention two different things.

One, is the UN much more interested in aiding the gazan's???
Well, considering their elected leaders have waged almost daily war on Isreal, It is mnost understandable that helping them may not be highest on their to do list, I mean, seriously....

As for Is the US switching roles. not really

HOWEVER....................................

Clearly Obama is no where near the freind and allie of Isreal that Bush was.

This has been said and show both directly and indirectly.

I am sure they can see the handwritting on the wall, as we say.........