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Hawaii again declares Obama birth certificate real

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posted on Jul, 28 2009 @ 08:06 PM

Originally posted by Wimbly
reply to post by grover

I don't know if you noticed, but there is still a 9/11 conspiracy forum where bush is blamed daily for the attack. For 8 years the media has allowed this idea to continue, to the point something like 40% of democrats beleive Bush was behind 9/11.

Now suddenly that its happening to your guy theres a problem?

lolz, your comparing an attack where over 2000 people died to a birth certificate.
which one do you think deserves greater attention?

besides, post some sources for those numbers. I'm pretty sure most people think it was the govt that was behind the attacks, not just Bush.
And Obama is under that same govt.
We all know the republican / democrat thing is a bunch of baloney only meant to devide us. Looks like they are doing a good job eh?

It doesnt matter what you call it, democracy means nothing in this country.

posted on Jul, 28 2009 @ 08:20 PM
Ohhh bama .... I really love ya babe, but why, oh why, don't you just show the docs....

What's with ya dude? Is a photocopier so hard to use?

Please, please don't denigrate my passion for you so blithely.

Just show the docs.....

posted on Jul, 28 2009 @ 08:28 PM
The birth certificate matters because the U.S.
Constitution states:

Article II: Section 1: Clause 5:

"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

Obamas birth certificate matters!!!!

If this man is a natural born U.S Citizen then there is no logical explanation why the document is not released.

As for not believing the document if released, it will need to be reviewed by an expert that compares verifiable documents of that era to make sure the produced document is not fake.

Regardless of your stance on this there is no good reason the President of the United States with holds his birth certificate or his school records unless there is something there he does not want revealed.

Bush was a sorry specimen for a President also, so it isn't my favorite letter over another.

I want the damn truth without the BS. That is not too much to expect from these people.

posted on Jul, 28 2009 @ 08:38 PM

Originally posted by Simon_Boudreaux
reply to post by grover

[edit on 28-7-2009 by aero56]

posted on Jul, 28 2009 @ 08:41 PM

Originally posted by jibeho
I don't buy it!! and I am certainly not a loon. Time for Obama to put up or shut up. Time to be a man Obama. I am more convinced with each passing day that Obama is more concerned with concealing the true identity of his father rather than the location of his birth. Barack Sr. was nothing more than a business partner with his mother. The timeline of his birth and the whereabouts of his mother do not add up. Obama bears no likeness to his "father" or his Kenyan roots whatsoever.

This issue has struck a nerve with the White House and it is not going away until people see the truth behind the lies of Obamas fabricated life.

And whom do you think his father could be?

posted on Jul, 28 2009 @ 08:44 PM
reply to post by Helmkat

No he hasn't. He hasn't proven a thing, which is why we are still talking about it.

posted on Jul, 28 2009 @ 08:45 PM
If the long form BC has been destroyed, then what is it that the 'birthers' wish to see?

Personally, I distrust Obama for my own reasons, which have to do with class war, capitalism & Obama's inaugural address in which he clearly took sides by saying:

It is [...] the selflessness of workers who would rather cut their hours than see a friend lose their job which sees us through our darkest hours.

Yeah right, it's up to the average joe to cut back, not the property owning, greedy profiteering Capitalists or even worse: Banksters... may their profits be sacred.


So in the end I think this BC issue isn't gonna go anywhere. There's no resolution, but at least I will not do what is expected of me: belittle the people who are afraid for their country's future and displace their passion into a fruitless campaign they've been goaded into that only serves as a distraction;

...or, on the other side, I will also not join the self-proclaimed politically correct anti-racist Obááámááá camp that now automatically pity the poor Obama even more.

This whole topic is imho a huge smoke and mirror issue, which serves to focus peoples concerns on the wrong issues, at the wrong time. It divides us and keeps us from joining together to focus on the real problem:

Corporate Capitalist Imperialism and Obama being on it's side rather than on ours.

posted on Jul, 28 2009 @ 08:46 PM
reply to post by Agit8dChop

Wrong. They are the same. They just work from different approaches. It is the bad cop/good cop routine.

posted on Jul, 28 2009 @ 08:46 PM
reply to post by grover

Simply put. Use this for your arguments if you want or just listen.

[edit on 28-7-2009 by epete22]

posted on Jul, 28 2009 @ 09:01 PM
reply to post by Lemon.Fresh

to who, you?
If government officials have viewed the original and declared it legit, where's the problem?

even if you have it in your HAND, you'd still say its a fake.

posted on Jul, 28 2009 @ 09:05 PM
reply to post by epete22

Ok, just watched that. If indeed there is an official record (digital scan or original) of Obama's Certificate of Live Birth in Hawaii, and he refuses to release it for public viewing, EVEN THOUGH HE KNOWS MANY CITIZENS WORRY ABOUT HIS BIRTHPLACE

...and it's not the actual birthplace you're trying to hide, then what would you do?

Allow someone to have a peek and tell the world about his birthplace?

BUT, being the smart man he is (otherwise should he be prez?) he knows damn well people will simply think the Dr. Chiyome Fukino is lying...

....wouldn't it make more sense to just be honest and say he prefers that his father's identity to remain undisclosed for personal reasons?

He could then simply show the world his Long Form BC with the father's name blacked out. I doubt that would make him ineligible.

I for one, can come up with many reasons as to why he'd desire that, and would not hold him in contempt.

So perhaps the main issue at it's core is not the birthplace, but his honesty and transparancy towards the people.
For many of us, the idea that a politician or President may be a lying scumbag is no news, but I guess the rest of America has some catching up to do...

[edit on 28-7-2009 by Psynarchist]

posted on Jul, 28 2009 @ 09:08 PM
reply to post by Agit8dChop

I have a Beatles record to sell to you. My friend who is in a band has seen it.

posted on Jul, 28 2009 @ 09:10 PM
Obamas Birth certificate is the perfect red Herring.
Think about this..
If you go for healthcare, or for a video card.. your documents are checked.
He' ran for PRESIDENT. Its not like no ones checking all his documents out is it? Its not like he rocked up and said
'' nah, im not showing you nothing. ''

Somewhere, his documents would have been checked to make sure he met the conditions for being president.

Why hasn’t any democrat/Republican raised their hands and asked for an investigation?
Why didn’t Mccain/Palin or even Bush mention 1 WORD about this. Bush was the most corrupt president ever, he would of had people on the inside willing to release confidential documents if it meant a McCain win.

This Birth certificate is a government document. How could he cheat the government? Law says he doesn’t HAVE to show it. it just has to be checked. It passed the checks.

Its obvious they are putting all this out there to keep the suspicious people at bay. They saw how Bush was thoroughly checked out by the public, because he didn’t sidetrack them.

Obama's side tracking everyone with this BirthCert. While your focusing on a non issue, something that never HAS TO BE proven to the people, he's raping you from behind with all these TARP payments, with BANK bailouts, with Healthcare..

Your falling for the oldest play in the book. And they are laughing at you.
After Bush I really thought people were smarter than this. I really thought you could see the forest through the tree's, but obviously that old racism root America was built on never left.

[edit on 28-7-2009 by Agit8dChop]

posted on Jul, 28 2009 @ 09:12 PM

Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
reply to post by Agit8dChop

I have a Beatles record to sell to you. My friend who is in a band has seen it.

what a useless attempt at bringing substance to your argument.
you really believe these scenario's are in any way comparable?

[edit on 28-7-2009 by Agit8dChop]

posted on Jul, 28 2009 @ 09:16 PM
reply to post by shug7272

at the root of this thing is stopping obama from destroying our country.
most of us look at him as an outside agent trying to destroy us from inside.
the things he is doing is slowly eroding our economy and freedom. it is apparent he has an agenda.
its always an emregency with him...yeah it is ,because he knows he is waking parts of America that have been sleeping for a long time.
he follows no law except his own. he cares about no public opinion.
he is a fascist,and befriends all who used to oppose our country.

wanna know what he's gonna do next? just listen to what he says he's not gonna do.
he is a liar, a traitor ,and a radical leftist muslim,that has been planted here,just like amadinejad said so many years ago.
but you b.s.(barry soetoro) supporters wont admit it until it takes its toll on YOUR life and living standards.
the bailout was an emergency,,,10% has been used.
health care is an emergency...but we have had the highest standard of healthcare in the world.
he has spent over $1,000,000 to hide his identity...but hes for real.
then he passes a law to keep from being scrutinized.
look up mortgage default swaps,and learn about how he orchestrated the biggest money laundering scam ever.

so when you sit and think that all this is about is the birth certificate,you need to find out what you're talking about.
PLEASE FOR YOUR OWN SAKE...WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


posted on Jul, 28 2009 @ 09:18 PM
i guess i'm on the list now,huh?

posted on Jul, 28 2009 @ 09:21 PM
reply to post by Agit8dChop

there is no background check for elected officials. call the fbi and ask. they are elected,therefore trusted.
call the,m up. you speak as if you know... let them tell you.

and where does it say that the bc has been checked by the government?
how come this has happened before?...chester a arther 21st president was a british subject.
and most of all...when did the government become so competent?

also the way it works is just like court. you know,the place we tried to iron this out?
someone makes an accusation,and the charged person provides evidence to prove he's not guilty.

just show the proof. that all we ask.AMERICANS,THAT IS...

[edit on 28-7-2009 by Spectre0o0]

[edit on 28-7-2009 by Spectre0o0]

posted on Jul, 28 2009 @ 10:13 PM
How quickly this degenerated into left-wing craziness. The Obama team is in full force on this one. SHOW THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE SOME GUYS "WORD" ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH!!!!!!!

posted on Jul, 28 2009 @ 10:24 PM
My gut tells me this whole business is a alphabet agency psyop. Have you seen the way the media is connecting all the conspiracies like 9-11 to "birthers" calling them racist and insane and whatnot. Not to mention their obvious bias that is blown wide open when a so-called professional news agency resorts to childish name calling and crude puns like "tea baggers"
these people really are sick and evil, not the ordinary folks with questions about sketchy business.

The whole business is to discredit all questioning of state authority when he finally shows the proof of birth. There is no other reason to keep acting like they are hiding something when they could make this go away.

posted on Jul, 28 2009 @ 10:33 PM
reply to post by grover

What he is really saying is the ACORN doesn't fall far from the tree, and it is not the tree of Liberty that it falls from.

Nuff Said

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