"All I Know How to do Is Kill People"

Originally posted by Bearackin this country than happen in our military.

Yes, how many was first time killers, when they get back home. As stated, they were only 3500 in this devision. But give me your reasonable numbers, facts on paper, and maybe I close my eyes, too.

Originally posted by grapesofraft
reply to post by Bearack

 

This is just anti-war propaganda whose whole purpose is to make all the soldiers look like they have been turned into murderous monsters. I guess all these anti-war folks would just have us bend over and take it when we are attacked.

This is just anti war propaganda, we all know this already, at least I do.

So what positive effects do YOU see coming out of IRAQ...

And by the way, no where did anybody tell every soldier is a murderious monster. You made that up on the spot.

You generalize and over daramtize these events, this is about normal happy healthy soldiers turning in to monsters. But you rather hear about how many terrorist they kill each day, than civilianze. Me too, but this is reality.

[edit on 27-7-2009 by Namness]

Originally posted by Namness

Originally posted by grapesofraft
reply to post by Bearack

 

A star for you. I totally agree. This is just anti-war propaganda whose whole purpose is to make all the soldiers look like they have been turned into murderous monsters. I guess all these anti-war folks would just have us bend over and take it when we are attacked. Thank God for those men and women that have fought to defend our country and its interests.

This is just anti war propaganda, we all know this already, at least I do.

So what positive effects do YOU see coming out of IRAQ...

And by the way, no where did anybody tell every soldier is a murderious monster. You made that up on the spot.

You generalize and over daramtize these events, this is about normal happy healthy soldiers turning in to monsters. But you rather hear about how many terrorist they kill each day, than civilianze. Me to, but this is reality.

[edit on 27-7-2009 by Namness]

I don't think much people have said much positive has come out of war. Even as a marine myself I don't think very much positive has come, maybe some, but its just caused MORE problems. But all marines are not just brutal savage people who only know how to kill

[edit on 27-7-2009 by jeasahtheseer]

Originally posted by grapesofraft

Originally posted by ModernAcademia

turn him over?

who is him?

before you answer you do know that the CIA and FBI and american govt. are no longer saying that Bin Laden was behind 9/11 right?

so who's him?

You know who "him" is.. Bin Ladin.

The FBI and CIA do say that Bin Ladin was behind it. Where do you get your info from? Youboob videos?

Wow you're soooooo 2001.

I thought most people realised 9/11 was an American / Mossad inside job by now.

Guess not all eh?

reply to post by mr-lizard


be that as it may
it wouldn't support my argument going into an entirely other realm of a topic

despite me agreeing with you

there are too many conspiracy theorists who say jet fuel can melt metal

Both the occupied and the occupiers are victims of warfare. Those young men who killed civilians etc... were showing the sort of behaviour you or I would show if we were stressed beyond belief and had seen our colleagues killed for a cause which seems mysterious.

They are decent young men and women who have been pushed beyond their limits and are exhibiting mental disease. It does not surprise me in the least. The armed forces can help by rotating the time in action in the Front Line to 60 days with generous allowance of leave. Professional counsellors can be allowed sufficient time to debrief the young warriors on their return home.

There are no easy answers but remind yourself of one thing: "When the rich wage war, it's the poor that die." I am proud to have American and Iraqi people as friends - I do not see any difference in them in terms of human decency and moral standards.


[edit on 27/7/2009 by Heronumber0]

I'm not even gonna get too involved with this thread as it seems the trolls are out in force here.

Personally i dislike 'most' Marines, because unlike our troops in the Uk who are taught to respect the enemy, marines are trained to be unthinking forces on the battle field and generally don't distinuguish between civilian and enemy.

This is not propoganda, and it's not wrong to be anti-war.

Some of you are saying these are just infrequent cases, but i have to ask how many infrequent cases do you need before it becomes the norm.

Sadly there are those who still believe Bin Laden was responsible for 9/11 and it's that mentality that will keep pushing needless wars on nations.

I've heard too many stories from UK troops about marines, and I would rather take the word from A british soldier anyday... at least we still have humanity.

Shame on the pro-war fools here.

NM I don't even want to be involved in this thread anymore.
Bye



[edit on 27-7-2009 by jeasahtheseer]

Originally posted by mr-lizard
the trolls are out in force here.

And who would that be? Those that disagree with you?

Sadly there are those who still believe Bin Laden was responsible for 9/11 and it's that mentality that will keep pushing needless wars on nations.

It's not a 'mentality'. As i asked before ... please give a link that backs up the claim that the CIA has officially let UBL off the hook for 9/11.


I challenge you to 'educate' us on this.
Where's the official statement by the CIA letting him off the hook as was claimed?

reply to post by FlyersFan


Dude
go to the FBI website
look at UBL's profile

simple!

Alleged 9/11 mastermind Mohammed

www.thestar.com...


There are five alleged co-conspirators, UBL NOT being one of them

But the cases of the five 9/11 co-accused – Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Ramzi Binalshibh, Ali Abdul Aziz Ali, Walid bin Attash and Mustafa Ahmed al-Hawsawi – are being most closely watched.

same link


Why be so adamant about giving roof when you refuse to use google yourself?

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Sept. 11 mastermind suspect, boycotted a pretrial hearing Thursday,

www.freep.com...


Dude, seriously, google!

Originally posted by jeasahtheseer
But all marines are not just brutal savage people who only know how to kill
[edit on 27-7-2009 by jeasahtheseer]

That was my point, nobody said that every soldier are a monster, it's just a self defence nestegg opinion, that has to be pointed out "somewhat".

One thing mean not the another, this was a few cases, maybe three or four brutal examples. Do any sane human being believe every soldier of the 3,500 are these freaking boinkmad??

And as pointed in this article, one mother to one soldier could spot something going on with him, and alarmed about it.

Nothing was done. Leaders are incomplete in gettting things done. We rather talk, than do things. That's the problem.

And, we rather call them monsters, than take care of them, and workout a proper functional system for taking care of soldiers home from Iraq before this happen to them.

This is nothing that we should close our eyes for, it don't has to be all black and white either.

"Soldiers as Monsters or as Heros"

No, my point is... a few cases like these, are fact that the division and system that soldiers get taught, aren't as well crafted.

That's nothing that is set in stone, and can change.

Now, do I support the IRAQ war. Depends on how evil these terrorists truly are.. as bush said they are evil enough to go to war against, others and most members on this board says bush are evil, and the opposite.

It barley matters to my life in socialism Europe. But Saddam never bombed USA, that was Osama bin laden, one man from Afghanistan supposed to have planned this. And Afghan men, women and children has to live in a war zone, because of one mans and a small group of followers desire and actions.

I see nothing wrong for going to war, if it's called for, but I feel ones man misstep shouldn't lead to millions of people suffering war.

There are at least as brutal leaders living in Africa, but nobody cares about going to war against some african kingpin in republic of Kongo, or these dictorship in Zimbabwe,...why not jump war these two countries, Strange, Is it not strange?

[edit on 27-7-2009 by Namness]

Originally posted by Namness

Originally posted by jeasahtheseer
But all marines are not just brutal savage people who only know how to kill
[edit on 27-7-2009 by jeasahtheseer]

That was my point, nobody said that every soldier are a monster, it's just a self defence nestegg opinion, that has to be pointed out "somewhat".

One thing mean not the another, this was a few cases, maybe three or four brutal examples. Do any sane human being believe every soldier of the 3,500 are these freaking boinkmad??

And as pointed in this article, one mother to one soldier could spot something going on with him, and alarmed about it.

Nothing was done. Leaders are incomplete in gettting things done. We rather talk, than do things. That's the problem.

And, we rather call them monsters, than take care of them, and workout a proper functional system for taking care of soldiers home from Iraq before this happen to them.

This is nothing that we should close our eyes for, it don't has to be all black and white either.

"Soldiers as Monsters or as Heros"

No, my point is... a few cases like these, are fact that the division and system that soldiers get taught, aren't as well crafted.

That's nothing that is set in stone, and can change.

Now, do I support the IRAQ war. Depends on how evil these terrorists truly are.. as bush said they are evil enough to go to war against, others and most members on this board says bush are evil, and the opposite.

It barley matters to my life in socialism Europe. But Saddam never bombed USA, that was Osama bin laden, one man from Afghanistan supposed to have planned this. And Afghan men, women and children has to live in a war zone, because of one mans and a small group of followers desire and actions.

I see nothing wrong for going to war, if it's called for, but I feel ones man misstep shouldn't lead to millions of people suffering war.

There are at least as brutal leaders living in Africa, but nobody cares about going to war against some african kingpin in republic of Kongo, or these dictorship in Zimbabwe,...why not jump war these two countries, Strange, Is it not strange?

[edit on 27-7-2009 by Namness]

Ok.. I know what you mean now!

And this is kind of unrelated but I've said in other threads there are people who join the marines and they are messed in the head and all these SCUM want to do is hurt people... I DO NOT stand by those soldiers... they ARE NOT my brothers.

Many guys that join are good, loving people and they don't join for stuff like that. A lot of young people are in difficult situations and they have no other choice... I was one of those people. I wasn't going to let my GF and baby be homeless!


[edit on 27-7-2009 by jeasahtheseer]

[edit on 27-7-2009 by jeasahtheseer]

reply to post by mr-lizard


Dislike "most" Marines?

Taught to be "unthinking" killing machines?

Where on earth do you get this information? Lemme guess- Alex Jones, the Jesuit fearmonger/agent provacateur?

Besides, this article is about soldiers, not Marines. Don't hold my brothers and sisters accountable for what the 'doggies allegedly do/did.

Try calling a Marine a soldier to his/her face some time... See what happens, after you regain conciousness.

I'll tell you something that you will certainly find some way to rationalize a refute to, but is nonetheless true.

I can't speak for "Hollywood" Marines, but at MCRD Parris Island, one of the first and most stressed classes on the UCMJ teaches new recruits morals, and the importance of refusing illegal orders, if given.

I KNOW, I was in that class at one time.

You, I'm sure, have never been NEAR a MCRD, and thusly are chock full of Bravo Sierra.

Have a nice day, and next time at least attempt to deny ignorance.


[edit on 27/7/09 by cbianchi513]

Originally posted by jeasahtheseer
NM I don't even want to be involved in this thread anymore. You guys are REALLY uneducated about the military.

Bye


[edit on 27-7-2009 by jeasahtheseer]

So if we are, what is holding you back to educate us, at least I am open minded enough to see other peoples knowledge flourish, and two sides of one coin.

Sometimes I am wrong, sometimes I miss things, and forget to consider aspects, and sometimes these things are yet known to myself.

So please, why not open up, and educate.

Originally posted by Namness

Originally posted by jeasahtheseer
NM I don't even want to be involved in this thread anymore. You guys are REALLY uneducated about the military.

Bye


[edit on 27-7-2009 by jeasahtheseer]

So if we are, what is holding you back to educate us, at least I am open minded enough to see other peoples knowledge flourish, and two sides of one coin.

Sometimes I am wrong, sometimes I miss things, and forget to consider aspects, and sometimes these things are yet known to myself.

So please, why not open up, and educate.

Oh no the only reason I deleted that was because I admit I said something inapropriate. I don't want to argue anymore anyways.

People have their own opinions of things and I can't convince them that certain opinions are wrong IN MY EYES. Doesnt mean they are right or I'm wrong, or the other way around, and I'm big enough to say that.


[edit on 27-7-2009 by jeasahtheseer]

Sadly ...that is what war is about,,it brutalises and eventually de sensitises!!

Its a real bugger!!

Originally posted by cbianchi513
reply to post by mr-lizard

 

Dislike "most" Marines?

Taught to be "unthinking" killing machines?

Where on earth do you get this information? Lemme guess- Alex Jones, the Jesuit fearmonger/agent provacateur?

Besides, this article is about soldiers, not Marines. Don't hold my brothers and sisters accountable for what the 'doggies allegedly do/did.

Try calling a Marine a soldier to his/her face some time... See what happens, after you regain conciousness.

I'll tell you something that you will certainly find some way to rationalize a refute to, but is nonetheless true.

I can't speak for "Hollywood" Marines, but at MCRD Parris Island, one of the first and most stressed classes on the UCMJ teaches new recruits morals, and the importance of refusing illegal orders, if given.

I KNOW, I was in that class at one time.

You, I'm sure, have never been NEAR a MCRD, and thusly are chock full of Bravo Sierra.

Have a nice day, and next time at least attempt to deny ignorance.


[edit on 27/7/09 by cbianchi513]

Great post! I agree! With the soldier/marine thing though sometimes I call myself a soldier, sometimes a marine, whichever one pops in my mind first I say. I also just like the word soldier, I don't know why, lol.

Great post though! Good to see other on here, I know they are on here but sometimes they don't speak up and defend themselves!

[edit on 27-7-2009 by jeasahtheseer]

reply to post by ModernAcademia



"I understand that what they went through was difficult. "


That is the biggest understatement I have seen for a long!!..and I think very unfair!!,,who sent these people there??

Truth is ..in an environment where all you can do it try to survive..people do aweful things...

reply to post by shuck


Yes people do awful things

Some are even TRAINED to do awful things.

lol

It's amazing how every post that sounds lke yours leaves that fact out!

have a nice day

reply to post by ModernAcademia


Hmm!..people don't NEED to be trained to do aweful things!! ..all it takes is anger,hatred, power and an imagination!!..and these are a product of our society!!!