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Originally posted by BarryZuckercorn
Originally posted by jfj123
Oh really??? Well then oh wise one, how would you have handled it ? What spectrum of behavior would you use? Please do tell me and in detail.
I don't know, I wasn't there. It's entirely possible that I would have behaved similarly to how you did, but you missed my point. My point is that you had to resist the violent urges at all, most likely because of your conditioning to behave violently when pushed.
A better adjusted person wouldn't necessarily feel the urge to turn anyone into a "gooey paste."
In fact, they might not take it personally at all, since it's never personal. Those kids were following their (apparently lousy) conditioning, and you were following and resisting yours.
Originally posted by BarryZuckercorn
While I agree that you certainly can make decisions without dissecting yourself, those decisions might not be as conscious as you may think.
Originally posted by jfj123
Yes they are.
Your method of argument seems to be to just say "no" to everything that you disagree with.
Originally posted by BarryZuckercorn
Our perceptions of the world (or our prejudices) are molded by our experiences all the way back to childhood...
Originally posted by jfj123
If you're unaware of reality, yes this is possible. I'm aware of reality.
Originally posted by BarryZuckercorn
That's why "whooping" children is a bad idea; you're imprinting them with the idea that violence is a valid option for solving problems in life.
Originally posted by jfj123
Not really.
Try presenting the reasons why you disagree.
Originally posted by jfj123
Everyone in the same situation would have the same feelings based on the complete disregard those teens had for everyone including those poor elderly people.
I disagree.
Originally posted by jfj123
No, I'm not bragging at all. I'm explaining the difference between hitting and a swat on the butt.
Yes, and the way that you have chosen to describe that difference is by telling everyone on the board how "EASILY" you could turn people into "gooey paste,"
and how if you hit me, I'd be unconscious.
Based on your language choices you seem have constant thoughts of violence.
If not, why do you decide to present yourself that way?
You and a large portion of the other people here who are arguing from a pro-spanking position seem to have a more violence-oriented semantic approach.
[edit on 30/7/2009 by BarryZuckercorn]
Originally posted by BarryZuckercorn
Originally posted by jfj123
Do you attempt to put people down who stand up for themselves because you couldn't/didn't as a child and were thus abused?
I'm not putting you down, I'm arguing with you. You're taking it personally. And why do you choose to say "couldn't/didn't?" (Emphasis mine, obviously.)
Are you seriously suggesting that there is something that I could have done to "stand up for myself" when I was being abused as a young child?
You seem to think that I'm advocating this as part of EVERY punishment. I AM NOT nor have I EVER, at any point, suggested it.
I don't think that you're advocating violence as a punishment for every situation. I think that you're advocating light corporal punishment in some instances. I also think that this is child abuse, since every blow, no matter how light, caries with it the implied possibility of further violence.
Once you hit a child as punishment you are making that child aware of the possibility that worse might happen if they do not co-operate.
Originally posted by astrij
Personally I believe that their are other methods that can be used to discipline a child that do not involve the infliction of pain and suffering.
Originally posted by TheColdDragon
reply to post by RogerT
I've never had someone equate Spiritual Awareness to being an unthinking being.
Originally posted by TheColdDragon
reply to post by RogerT
You haven't contributed anything except condemnation and ridicule, equating people who pop the butts of their children to child abusers.
Your arguments are founded only upon your beliefs, and when asked for information to support your positions, both of you are too lazy to be bothered to put in the effort.
You are not contributing to the conversation, so stop wasting space with your words until you do.
You want me to change my beliefs? Convince me. It isn't impossible, just difficult.